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He was an abomination. Probably the most overrated prop that we’ve had since Michael Vella.
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He was an abomination. Probably the most overrated prop that we’ve had since Michael Vella.
Well I think we have swung between tiers since our last premiership, spending f**k all between about 1991 and 1996, and then suffering from our constitution and ownership structure between about 2009 and the administration period that ended in roughly 2019. This is why I refer to resources (which includes things like the club constitution) rather than just money.
I did not know that.
Are they incompetent or just not as competent as the decision makers they're competing against?
What evidence can you put forward that our roster is as good as those three? Because I have plenty of evidence that we are not as good.
To be fair he said top 4, not top 3. I guess the question that should be asked is what evidence is there that our roster is better than the 12 other teams?
An outlier
Yet he was a premiership winner.
Also an outlier, and he also had Hayne (Dally M winner that year) and Kingston. That team also had a lot more finals experience than any team Arthur's has coached.
So when did roster management stop being a mess? 2014 when Arthur took over? 2016 when we had to shed players at short notice for 2017 and beyond? 2019 when McElduff took over? 2022 when desperate clubs offered our players overs to leave?
This is itself a resource. Why can't we get Politis, for example? He is an intrinsic resource at the Chooks and they will probably decline without him. But over the long term they have had a lot of success, including before he was involved. I'm sure some other 'good decision maker' will emerge from the throng when he's dead. In fact I'm sure he's not the only resource making it happen over there. He is just the most high profile of a group of them.
Sure, and most of them were operating under constraints (in our case the outdated constitution that promoted internal conflict) that don't apply at privately owned clubs or clubs with better governance structures. For mine the best thing to happen to our club since the eighties was going into administration and consequently having the constitution updated. I'm excited about the future but change obviously isn't happening quick enough for some merkins. I just don't think the money needed to compete with the big boys has been available yet. Hopefully it will in the near future. I hate the decline of our junior recruitment (sorry, 'development') since 2017 but I understand the board not wanting the footy club to send the PLC broke. I'm sure Covid hurt us financially as well.
In a couple of cherry picked games or a couple of cherry picked seasons? We have not finished within 250 points of the team with the best points differential since we were the best in 2005. That's 17 years. The closest we have gotten since then was 2020 where we got within 195 points of the Panthers. What exactly has this or any roster 'demonstrated' to you within a significant sample of games? Because we beat the Panthers twice and Storm this year? Did you know our record against top eight teams this year is 4/10? Against the bottom eight we are 9/11. We haven't proved anything other than that we are too good to miss the finals.
Only if you think management isn't a resource. Why can't the Lakers get better decision makers? How can they be a glamour team if they're not winning? I work with a bunch of NBA fans and none of them talk about the Lakers. If their decline is enduring I would say they are less well resourced than they used to be.
If we don't have good management how can you say we have sufficient resources to consistently compete with better managed clubs?
When?
Tedesco never played finals at the Tigers either. Maybe it's the club's fault rather than their best players.
It's too hard ffs
Thats appalling.
Actually we got within 216 of St George in 2009. Otherwise yeah, in both 2007 and 2017 we were exactly 258 points behind the Storm. The only time we got within 200 was 195 points behind Penrith in 2020.
| Team | Year | Difference | Best performing team |
|---|---|---|---|
| Knights | 2001 | -290 | Eels |
| Cowboys | 2015 | -158 | Roosters |
| Panthers | 2003 | -151 | Bulldogs |
| Tigers | 2005 | -147 | Eels |
A bit of both when it comes to Smith.
