Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[Gronk]

We’ve had ample opportunities attacking the opposition’s line and we are consistently terrible. We are far more dangerous from 40-50m out than we are in attacking zones. This needs to be fixed and Arthur appears incapable of running anything other than a clunky block play.

100% the halves are clunky inside the red zone.

Look at Souths from 25 out and they are silky. Just shows up Corey Norman and our fullback really. The souths Jennings gets spoilt rotten with early ball in space.

 

[Kornstar]

I’m add one more thing about BA, he was very loyal to the players who ripped in and stuck by him and the club in 2016 during the salary cap debacle, he pretty much re-signed they all and they have let him down imo.

Don’t get me wrong i know BA isn’t perfect but the players he committed to have let him down big time this year.

I believe for him to be a successful coach he needs exceptional assistants because i think the players like him and want to play for him but his tactics are shit! Having some truly creative assistants, leaving him to be the motivator etc. would work.......i just don’t know whether our budget will ever allow for it.

 

[hineyrulz]

I agree that ad-lib play has been successful for teams like StG this year, but you can only do that if your forwards lay the platform. Yes it’s an overused cliche, but if you are not bending the line, getting fast play the balls and completing at 80%+ then your team will be cramped and running the ball off your try line all game. Sound familiar ?

We need some pigs up front to make some space, then our halves will have time and our centres early ball. Two good hookers who can dart out and test the markers. This will make a huge difference.

Our forwards have more than held their own in quite a few games this season. And we still go with the structured boring style of football that doesn’t win games or fans. You can tell the players have no faith in it but they do what the coach wants anyway.

 

[Noise]

100% the halves are clunky inside the red zone.

Look at Souths from 25 out and they are silky. Just shows up Corey Norman and our fullback really. The souths Jennings gets spoilt rotten with early ball in space.

And more so Moses. The guy can’t set up a try

 

[hineyrulz]

Shape come with space and the only way you get space is your pack bending the line, making half breaks and getting quick ball.

You can’t just start throwing the ball around if you are stuck in your half all match. The pigs need to roll up their sleeves.

So you don’t thjnk our forwards did that last night???

 

[hineyrulz]

100% the halves are clunky inside the red zone.

Look at Souths from 25 out and they are silky. Just shows up Corey Norman and our fullback really. The souths Jennings gets spoilt rotten with early ball in space.

So that’s not on the coach just the players???

We have struggled in the 20m zone in all of BA’s time at the club. But yeah Norman and Guth are shit.

 

[Happy MEel]

100% the halves are clunky inside the red zone.

Look at Souths from 25 out and they are silky. Just shows up Corey Norman and our fullback really. The souths Jennings gets spoilt rotten with early ball in space.

Why does Moses get off Scott-free? It sounds like you’ve found your 2 scapegoats.

 

[Gronk]

Our forwards have more than held their own in quite a few games this season. And we still go with the structured boring style of football that doesn’t win games or fans. You can tell the players have no faith in it but they do what the coach wants anyway.

You keep throwing qns at me all aimed at a gotcha moment so I can fall on my sword and concede that BA is the reason why we are not competing with the best.

Not going to happen because the answer is not as simple as you simpletons try and make out.

 

[hineyrulz]

Why does Moses get off Scott-free? It sounds like you’ve found your 2 scapegoats.

And the coach always gets off scott free in Gronk world.

 

[hineyrulz]

You keep throwing qns at me all aimed at a gotcha moment so I can fall on my sword and concede that BA is the reason why we are not competing with the best.

Not going to happen because the answer is not as simple as you simpletons try and make out.

What a surprise you have nothing, colour me shocked. You always go into hiding when you get a question you don’t like or can’t answer.

And what as simplistic as saying It’s Norman and Guths fault????

And I’m the simpleton lol.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I’m add one more thing about BA, he was very loyal to the players who ripped in and stuck by him and the club in 2016 during the salary cap debacle, he pretty much re-signed they all and they have let him down imo.

Don’t get me wrong i know BA isn’t perfect but the players he committed to have let him down big time this year.

I believe for him to be a successful coach he needs exceptional assistants because i think the players like him and want to play for him but his tactics are shit! Having some truly creative assistants, leaving him to be the motivator etc. would work.......i just don’t know whether our budget will ever allow for it.

Well said Korny. On the budget thing - getting quality assistants may end up being cheaper than forking out for a new coach. If we want anyone decent I suspect their asking price will be much higher than what we are currently paying BA.

 

[Gronk]

What a surprise you have nothing, colour me shocked. You always go into hiding when you get a question you don’t like or can’t answer.

And what as simplistic as saying It’s Norman and Guths fault????

And I’m the simpleton lol.

Not interested in your coach-or-nothing crap.

 

[Happy MEel]

Well said Korny. On the budget thing - getting quality assistants may end up being cheaper than forking out for a new coach. If we want anyone decent I suspect their asking price will be much higher than what we are currently paying BA.

That’s probably the most feasible option for next year but it needs to be someone with very good credentials in that regard.

 

[Gary Gutful]

What a surprise you have nothing, colour me shocked. You always go into hiding when you get a question you don’t like or can’t answer.

And what as simplistic as saying It’s Norman and Guths fault????

And I’m the simpleton lol.

This is what is happening.

1. YOU are trying to make it ALL about the coach.

2. GRONK points out some things that suggest that it ISN'T JUST about the coach but never ever suggests it is ALL about the players.

3. YOU try a pathetic comeback suggesting that GRONK is making it ALL about the players.

4. GRONK doesn't play your silly game.

5. YOU come off looking like a GOON.

 

[Happy MEel]

@Gronk, a comparison of our two halves this year from NRL stats:

Norman:
17 appearances
3 tries
19 forced drop outs
11 try assists
9 lba’s
5 offloads
81 avg running metres
77.5% tackle efficiency

Moses:
16 appearances
3 tries
13 forced drop outs
6 try assists
4 lba’s
3 offloads
48.3 avg running metres
79.1% tackle efficiency

Can I ask again why Norman is your scapegoat and Moses gets a free ride? Interestingly the defensive stat is the only measure Moses outweighs Norman.

 

[strider]

I thought we all agreed that Norman has had some colourful off field times that might make him more likely to be the man on the outer?

 

[Happy MEel]

I thought we all agreed that Norman has had some colourful off field times that might make him more likely to be the man on the outer?

There’s no doubt that Norman’s off field attitude has been poor. However, he has been our best half by far this year on the field and unless we can replace him with someone offering similar output then he needs to stay next year.

However, this was in response to Gronk’s post below where he places the majority of the blame for our lack of attack inside the opposition’s 20m on Norman and Guth/French.

100% the halves are clunky inside the red zone.

Look at Souths from 25 out and they are silky. Just shows up Corey Norman and our fullback really. The souths Jennings gets spoilt rotten with early ball in space.

 

[Happy MEel]

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[Joshuatheeel]

His response was that we are far too structured and have not adapted to the style of play that is successful this year. These are both coaching issues. Perhaps BA needs to apply some self reflection and accept a lot of the responsibility for this season and actually try to make some changes in the remaining games that may hold us in better stead for 2019.

Well don’t you think BA knows this and is trying to address this with buying Ferguson/Paulo.

They both have skill sets especially in attack which we don’t currently have.

Paulo gives us more attacking options in the middle - he can offload / ball play plus break tackles. Additionally he is capable of doing set plays - see the play we have done occasionally with Matagi.

While Ferguson is close to the best at making metres / breaking tackles. He helps to get out sets started in a better position. We are constantly getting the ball back 10 or so metres out. Ferguson will help with this and puts us in a better position to attack, e.g. rather then only being 30 out on the 3rd tackle it could be the 40 out. Plus he can score a try.

Also don’t forget it is really hard to change attack mid year - you may not have the players and don’t have the time to totally overhaul it.

As I have mentioned before yeah we are going shit and maybe BA has made some errors but he shouldn’t be judged until we see what he does with the side during the off-season and what structure we play next year.

Our “structure” worked the last 2 years so there was a good chance it wouId work again, however obviously not. Some say we should look at Macguire, yeah he won a comp, but then after a few poor seasons he did nothing to change his sides structure. Kept on doing the same thing - and we have seen this year they always had a decent squad. So let’s see if BA will change our structure.

 

[Gary Gutful]

@Gronk, a comparison of our two halves this year from NRL stats:

Norman:
17 appearances
3 tries
19 forced drop outs
11 try assists
9 lba’s
5 offloads
81 avg running metres
77.5% tackle efficiency

Moses:
16 appearances
3 tries
13 forced drop outs
6 try assists
4 lba’s
3 offloads
48.3 avg running metres
79.1% tackle efficiency

Can I ask again why Norman is your scapegoat and Moses gets a free ride? Interestingly the defensive stat is the only measure Moses outweighs Norman.

Until you can re-cast those stats into what happens in the opposition's 20m zone then they are irrelevant to anything you are trying to trip Gronk up on.

Good luck re-casting, Staty MEel!