Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[hineyrulz]

Not interested in your coach-or-nothing crap.

Who said it’s just the coach???? But as soon as someone says anything negative about him you get your knickers in a twist. You make a statement and then someone questions your statement and then all we get is deflection. Sook.

 

[Gronk]

There’s no doubt that Norman’s off field attitude has been poor. However, he has been our best half by far this year on the field and unless we can replace him with someone offering similar output then he needs to stay next year.

However, this was in response to Gronk’s post below where he places the majority of the blame for our lack of attack inside the opposition’s 20m on Norman and Guth/French.

As Bellamy said last night, the Parra halves should be focused on getting Jennings and Hayne early ball. As best Jennings/Hayne get the ball in a Pitt Street Mall Xmas crush. Rarely do they get it with space. Last night Nukore got the clean ball and Hayne was next to him catching a cold. Norman was the one channelling that rubbish.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

It’s not just that. We need to encourage offloads, have more runners off the ball, have our hookers and fullback sniffing around the ruck to take advantage of offloading opportunities and can we come up with some alternative attacking shapes FFS???

This season is gone. We can have a little more risk in our game and it could create the spark we need.

Did you watch the last 2 games? BA has made a few changes in attack. see how Brown (and could be others), is running to the line and passing to another forward. We have done that a few times now which we did not do a lot before.

Also we are also using Moeroa (especially last night) and our edge forwards differently. We are setting up for our “sweeping” play, but the halves are then popping a short ball to the edge forward. We never didn’t that a lot before.

While you can’t just offload at will, I do agree occasionally we take the safe option to take the tackle rather then to offload. But it’s hard to get the balance right.

 

[hineyrulz]

This is what is happening.

1. YOU are trying to make it ALL about the coach.

2. GRONK points out some things that suggest that it ISN'T JUST about the coach but never ever suggests it is ALL about the players.

3. YOU try a pathetic comeback suggesting that GRONK is making it ALL about the players.

4. GRONK doesn't play your silly game.

5. YOU come off looking like a GOON.

Who is saying it’s all the coach??? Gronk is telling us all it’s the players that aren’t good enough.


It’s the players and the coach, no one is saying differently.

The only Goon here is the bloke with his tongue up Gronks clacker. He still hasn’t answered my question and just gave me shit but you came in to save the day for him anyway.

 

[Happy MEel]

As Bellamy said last night, the Parra halves should be focused on getting Jennings and Hayne early ball. As best Jennings/Hayne get the ball in a Pitt Street Mall Xmas crush. Rarely do they get it with space. Last night Nukore got the clean ball and Hayne was next to him catching a cold. Norman was the one channelling that rubbish.

Did Jennings get any more early ball than Hayne? If Hayne was catching a cold, Jennings was catching pneumonia.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Who is saying it’s all the coach???

You and anyone else who continues to blame to coach for virtually everything.

Gronk is telling us all it’s the players that aren’t good enough.

He is offering a counterpoint to the constant coach bashing.

It’s the players and the coach, no one is saying differently.

It doesn't feel that way at the moment. Go back and have a look at your last 500 posts. I bet the majority of them are about how shit BA is.

The only Goon here is the bloke with his tongue up Gronks clacker. He still hasn’t answered my question and just gave me shit but you came in to save the day for him anyway.

I wouldn't answer your stupid question either, you epic goon of epic proportions. You are trying to get him to argue that it is all about the players.

 

[Gronk]

Did Jennings get any more early ball than Hayne? If Hayne was catching a cold, Jennings was catching pneumonia.

Agree. The edge forwards were getting the ball (Nukore & Tepai) and they both had good games. Such a shame that Norman didn't mix it up and share the love with Jennings and Hayne.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

@Gronk, a comparison of our two halves this year from NRL stats:

Norman:
17 appearances
3 tries
19 forced drop outs
11 try assists
9 lba’s
5 offloads
81 avg running metres
77.5% tackle efficiency

Moses:
16 appearances
3 tries
13 forced drop outs
6 try assists
4 lba’s
3 offloads
48.3 avg running metres
79.1% tackle efficiency

Can I ask again why Norman is your scapegoat and Moses gets a free ride? Interestingly the defensive stat is the only measure Moses outweighs Norman.

You need one further stat, touches of the ball.

I think last night (I could be wrong) it was mentioned at one stage during the game that Norman had 44 or so touches of the ball compared to Moses 24 or so.

If that stat is correct and consistent during the year, you wouId probably assume Norman should have a lot better attacking stats as he touches the nearly double.

And looking at those stats Norman stats aren’t 50% better then Moses even though he gets 50% more opportunities then Moses.

 

[Happy MEel]

Until you can re-cast those stats into what happens in the opposition's 20m zone then they are irrelevant to anything you are trying to trip Gronk up on.

Good luck re-casting, Staty MEel!

I’m not trying to trip Gronk up on anything. I’m curious as to why Norman is the scapegoat and Moses hardly gets a mention, when clearly Norman has been the better attacking player.

If you scroll up you’ll also see a post re. Feeding early ball to our centres. Once again Norman cops it but Moses doesn’t get a mention. That’s not just in the 20m zone.

Anything else?

 

[Gary Gutful]

I’m not trying to trip Gronk up on anything. I’m curious as to why Norman is the scapegoat and Moses hardly gets a mention, when clearly Norman has been the better attacking player.

If you scroll up you’ll also see a post re. Feeding early ball to our centres. Once again Norman cops it but Moses doesn’t get a mention. That’s not just in the 20m zone.

Anything else?

Yeah. How often does Moses touch the ball?

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[Happy MEel]

Agree. The edge forwards were getting the ball (Nukore & Tepai) and they both had good games. Such a shame that Norman didn't mix it up and share the love with Jennings and Hayne.

You do realise Tep and Niukore spent time on Norman’s edge don’t you? In fact, our only line break came from Norman which led to a try. How is Norman meant to share the love with Jennings when he plays on the other side of the field? That’s Moses’ responsibility.

 

[Happy MEel]

Yeah. How often does Moses touch the ball?

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You tell me?

 

[Happy MEel]

Yeah. How often does Moses touch the ball?

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As Pou kept telling us in regards to Scott last year, your best attackers will get the ball most often. Why would this be any different?

 

[Gary Gutful]

You tell me?

Less than Norman.

 

[hineyrulz]

You and anyone else who continues to blame to coach for virtually everything.


He is offering a counterpoint to the constant coach bashing.


It doesn't feel that way at the moment. Go back and have a look at your last 500 posts. I bet the majority of them are about how shit BA is.


I wouldn't answer your stupid question either, you epic goon of epic proportions. You are trying to get him to argue that it is all about the players.

Bullshit!!

Gronk waffles on about to play attacking footy ball the pigs have go forward and give the halves time and space which is 100% correct. And when I ask him that the forwards had done that quite a few times this season and did it again last night while we continued to play the boring structured block play rubbish he has a f**king hissy fit.


He can’t answer a simple f**king question, anyone who says anything remotely negative is a death Rider and thinks it’s the coach 100%. The whole club is f**ked and hopefully this review comes back with we need a total overhaul from the coach, his staff and yes off course the players.

 

[Gary Gutful]

As Pou kept telling us in regards to Scott last year, your best attackers will get the ball most often. Why would this be any different?

We are busted in attack this year. Therefore, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask whether the guy who is getting the lion's share of the ball is the right man for the job.

 

[Gary Gutful]

The whole club is f**ked and hopefully this review comes back with we need a total overhaul from the coach, his staff and yes off course the players.

Agree. It isn't all about the coach.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

As Bellamy said last night, the Parra halves should be focused on getting Jennings and Hayne early ball. As best Jennings/Hayne get the ball in a Pitt Street Mall Xmas crush. Rarely do they get it with space. Last night Nukore got the clean ball and Hayne was next to him catching a cold. Norman was the one channelling that rubbish.

Was it Norman who threw a long pass to Gennings with nothing on and then was pushed into touch ?

He went to the edge a few times last night when there wasn’t the space to do so.

 

[Gronk]

Gronk waffles on about to play attacking footy ball the pigs have go forward and give the halves time and space which is 100% correct. And when I ask him that the forwards had done that quite a few times this season and did it again last night while we continued to play the boring structured block play rubbish he has a f**king hissy fit.

Yeah no I'm not.

The same forwards that had punch last year have been soft for most of the year.

I have also said that our halves lack results in the red zone. Apart from repeat sets, which I believe our team is one of the best. Strangely we fail to covert that stat to points.

On the whole most of our players have not lived up to their pay grade. Very disappointing.

 

[Happy MEel]

You know what @Gary Gutful , I’ll do it for you...

We’re talking about a halves comparison so I’ll remove the game Norman played at fullback. They have both played 16 games in the halves this year and their total number of possessions are below (champion data):

Norman: 779
Moses: 645

Norman certainly touches the ball more but only about 20% more. Norman’s LBA, TA, Avg running metres, forced drop outs and offloads are all more than 20% higher than Moses’.

Anything else?