Does Brad Arthur deserve the hype?

[hindmarshisgod]

Lets be realistic. Yes we did get the spoon two years prior to his full reign at the club, but with the players that were recruited for this season, we were too good for wooden spooners but would struggle to make the eight. To simplify, a 7- 12 position on the ladder with the team he has on paper for 2014.

Do we agree?

Now lets look at where he is at.

In the position that he is expected to be in. He has at no point overachieved. If anything, the thrashings his team has recieved throughout the season proves that he is not as good as everyone makes him out to be. He cannot get the best out of his team consistently and these last two weeks prove it. Same sides, world apart performances.

His coaching style has given me no optimism either. He plays a risk free style that for one is boring, and secondly is very predictable. We struggle in attack in the 20 mtr zone and if not for class players like hayne or hoppa, we would struggle even more as teams have worked us out. It seems they have one attacking move that sweeps across the field with second man plays. Its getting boring to watch. Its predictable.

How about coaching some new plays Brad.

How about some f**king off loads.

How about some consistency.

I dont buy into the BA hype.

 

[Chipmunk]

Lets be realistic. Yes we did get the spoon two years prior to his full reign at the club, but with the players that were recruited for this season, we were too good for wooden spooners but would struggle to make the eight. To simplify, a 7- 12 position on the ladder with the team he has on paper for 2014.

Do we agree?

Now lets look at where he is at.

In the position that he is expected to be in. He has at no point overachieved. If anything, the thrashings his team has recieved throughout the season proves that he is not as good as everyone makes him out to be. He cannot get the best out of his team consistently and these last two weeks prove it. Same sides, world apart performances.

His coaching style has given me no optimism either. He plays a risk free style that for one is boring, and secondly is very predictable. We struggle in attack in the 20 mtr zone and if not for class players like hayne or hoppa, we would struggle even more as teams have worked us out. It seems they have one attacking move that sweeps across the field with second man plays. Its getting boring to watch. Its predictable.

How about coaching some new plays Brad.

How about some f**king off loads.

How about some consistency.

I dont buy into the BA hype.

I think you're being a bit harsh on BA at this point. Irrespective of the result of the game next week we would have been able to make the Top 8 in the last round of the comp.

We're not quite ready for the Top 8, but we're heading in the right direction. However, if we fall back next year and finish somewhere between 11th and 14th, well perhaps we're no longer heading in the right direction. Who knows what 2015 will bring.

On your point on our performance in the opposition 20, my guess is that we practice plenty of plays at training, but the players entrusted with puting the plays on are not competent enough to be able to deliver the goods.

I'm also not sure on your risk free assessment... Essentially we rely on being able to pluck tries out of our ar$e inside our own half to be able to compete at the moment. Not sure I would call that a safe game plan.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

We've already won more than twice the number of games we won last season. And the season before. And exactly twice the number we won the season before that, with a game to go. An excellent result by any reasonable measure.

 

[hindmarshisgod]

I forgot to add, but the players individual skill sets look quite poor. Handling and even footwork seems non existant. This is something i blame the coaching staff with. The current style of coaching has taken away individual skills from players as they are coached to play within structures. Its not obly BA, but most coaches.

The game is dying.

 

[hindmarshisgod]

We've already won more than twice the number of games we won last season. And the season before. And exactly twice the number we won the season before that, with a game to go. An excellent result by any reasonable measure.

Did you actually read the post?

 

[hindmarshisgod]

I think you're being a bit harsh on BA at this point. Irrespective of the result of the game next week we would have been able to make the Top 8 in the last round of the comp.

We're not quite ready for the Top 8, but we're heading in the right direction. However, if we fall back next year and finish somewhere between 11th and 14th, well perhaps we're no longer heading in the right direction. Who knows what 2015 will bring.

On your point on our performance in the opposition 20, my guess is that we practice plenty of plays at training, but the players entrusted with puting the plays on are not competent enough to be able to deliver the goods.

I'm also not sure on your risk free assessment... Essentially we rely on being able to pluck tries out of our ar$e inside our own half to be able to compete at the moment. Not sure I would call that a safe game plan.

My risk free assessment is on the limited amount of offloads we produce per game. We rarely chance our arm.

 

[Chipmunk]

My risk free assessment is on the limited amount of offloads we produce per game. We rarely chance our arm.

Well this probably also has alot to do with the fact that we are useless at the go forward and winning the play the ball area. But we have consistently been like that for more than a decade, so you cannot blame BA for this. The constant offloads isnt going to work if you don't at least have some sort of go forward happening.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Did you actually read the post?

No, I drifted off. Needs more adjectives, maybe?

 

[Chipmunk]

I forgot to add, but the players individual skill sets look quite poor. Handling and even footwork seems non existant. This is something i blame the coaching staff with. The current style of coaching has taken away individual skills from players as they are coached to play within structures. Its not obly BA, but most coaches.

The game is dying.

Although there is plenty of handling and footwork improvement of players over time in first grade, this sort of skill is something you develop in players when they are younger. The coaches of the current players at club level, junior development teams and then onto the Matthews and Ball team and onto the Under 20s are the ones responsible for this. You cannot develop this stuff overnight with adult level players...It still takes time

I actually agree with your point, but when you have big and fast players who just run over the top of other players at Club level and to a certain extent up to Matthews and Ball and you have coaches not having enough attention to detail on this area, then it is a bit hard to criticise a bloke who has only been Head Coach for 1 season.

On the issue of playing within Structures.... Rugby League is a very simple game with strength and power being the key. If you can train players to make very few mistakes and give away very few penalties, win the play the ball area and then make the most of your opportunities, then you will win more games than you lose. Just ask Penrith. Add quality naturally skillful players on the end of that like The Plane, GI, Billy and Milford and anything is possible

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Well this probably also has alot to do with the fact that we are useless at the go forward and winning the play the ball area. But we have consistently been like that for more than a decade, so you cannot blame BA for this. The constant offloads isnt going to work if you don't at least have some sort of go forward happening.

Ooopss meant to say hi.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Did you actually read the post?

If it had a few spunky women to get a horn over I would have read more but as it is your post is piss-weak.
Seriously, the results of 12 wins reveals a change in our squad.
We are now nothing like the 2011-2013 versions.
Getting the boys used to not giving up is a huge cultural shift achievement.
Watching the game plans of SK & RS put me to sleep.
Boring they were.
Our game plans this season are miles better.
Sandow is dangerous from anywhere on the field now.
What more do you want?
Be patient cause the winning not giving-up attitude foundations need to be firmly in place, then comes all the bells and whistles.
Brad Arthur has done wonders with this squad.
It will get better and better because we have someone who knows how to coach and the players want to play for him.

 

[hindmarshisgod]

If it had a few spunky women to get a horn over I would have read more but as it is your post is piss-weak.
Seriously, the results of 12 wins reveals a change in our squad.
We are now nothing like the 2011-2013 versions.
Getting the boys used to not giving up is a huge cultural shift achievement.
Watching the game plans of SK & RS put me to sleep.
Boring they were.
Our game plans this season are miles better.
Sandow is dangerous from anywhere on the field now.
What more do you want?
Be patient cause the winning not giving-up attitude foundations need to be firmly in place, then comes all the bells and whistles.
Brad Arthur has done wonders with this squad.
It will get better and better because we have someone who knows how to coach and the players want to play for him.

The boys have given up many times during this season, hence the many shallackings they have copped this season.

No cultural shift here Einstein

 

[hindmarshisgod]

And to add, the only difference between this season and 2011-13, is a fit hayne playing most games and s few quality buys in hoppa and peats/degois and to an extent, Norman.

 

[emjaycee]

And to add, the only difference between this season and 2011-13, is a fit hayne playing most games and s few quality buys in hoppa and peats/degois and to an extent, Norman.

You are so right and I for one don't know why every one just doesn't agree with you.
I mean Jnr Paulo, Pauli Pauli, Tepai, Edwards, Ma'u, Gower, Radradra are all shit quality that would be lucky to get a run in park footy and are no better then the crap we had for the last 2 years.
:roll::roll::roll:

 

[hineyrulz]

Yeah BA is shit, bring back Ricky!!!

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Any other year 28 points gets you 8th spot, we gave gone from last to competing for the finals.

 

[yy_cheng]

One, our defence is still not good enough. Thats what need to be fixed first

Secondly, our pack won't match it with the good packs so we need something different which we don't have

One thing I did like was when we raid the blind side using our big second rowers to get out of our end. But that's only happened twice.

Offloads is another. I am a big supporter of Offloads but we don't do it. Gower sometimes does it and we make big inroads then it stops

We have great broken play runners but don't use it.

I am not saying offload every play but mix it up.

It is like mammary (this was supposed to read mannah) who I think is so 1 dimensional. Hit up land on his belly and play the ball. No step. No big spin and offload. It is too obvious to the opposition defence.

 

[Utey]

I wish we'd held onto Ricky.

 

[TheParraboy]

Lets be realistic. Yes we did get the spoon two years prior to his full reign at the club, but with the players that were recruited for this season, we were too good for wooden spooners but would struggle to make the eight. To simplify, a 7- 12 position on the ladder with the team he has on paper for 2014.

Do we agree?

Now lets look at where he is at.

In the position that he is expected to be in. He has at no point overachieved. If anything, the thrashings his team has recieved throughout the season proves that he is not as good as everyone makes him out to be. He cannot get the best out of his team consistently and these last two weeks prove it. Same sides, world apart performances.

His coaching style has given me no optimism either. He plays a risk free style that for one is boring, and secondly is very predictable. We struggle in attack in the 20 mtr zone and if not for class players like hayne or hoppa, we would struggle even more as teams have worked us out. It seems they have one attacking move that sweeps across the field with second man plays. Its getting boring to watch. Its predictable.

How about coaching some new plays Brad.

How about some f**king off loads.

How about some consistency.

I dont buy into the BA hype.

 

[Twizzle]

yes he does