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Dogs not bred winners after all

Trentski

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This article really sums up the bulldogs

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/dogs-not-bred-winners-after-all/2008/04/01/1206850910722.html

BRED not bought, huh? So says the Dogs army on T-shirts extolling the virtues of carefully tending the garden to nurture local products through the NRL ranks.
Well they would say that, wouldn't they? And the proof of the pudding is in the opposition's jumpers, with four former Bulldogs hiding blue-and-white hearts beneath their new Roosters tri-colours.
What price loyalty? What price indeed? First Braith Anasta, then Mark O'Meley, Nate Myles and now, the one that really hurts, Willie Mason, packed their bags for the east, swapping baclava and turkish coffee for flat whites and friands by the beach.
Yeah, right. Look at those four for starters. Anasta was a Souths junior whose pathway to the top was blocked by the Rabbitohs being excluded from the competition, O'Meley came to the club not only an established first-grader but an Origin star, Willie Mason hopped the train from Toronto, while Myles flew in from far North Queensland.
They may have growled like Bulldogs but they only stayed in the Kennel because they liked the food and, when they got cut back to dried rations or they didn't like the way the handlers rattled the chains, they walked: Kennel no more.
Which is not to say Belmore doesn't provide a career-defining domestic environment which wraps up players and teaches them how to play good, hard footy. Just that - like any success-oriented league club - they don't care much where the players come from. It's the results they can get out of them that count.
Of the players that remain, Hazem El Masri is one of the few who could have made his way to Belmore Oval for training the first time without recourse to a street directory. Modern recruits favour GPS navigation systems.
Captain Andrew Ryan, a dour and larger incarnation of coach Steve Folkes, talks as if he's been at Belmore all his life. But it's not just Belmore boys who talk without opening their lips much - Dubbo boys do it too, a habit Ryan didn't shake during three years at Parramatta.
Other Bulldogs fully acquainted with the Eels team song are Willie Tonga (originally from Cherbourg in Central Queensland) and Chris Armit. Front-rower Kane Cleal, who previously played with Manly and Souths, is one of those modern players who has to wait until a couple of lines have been sung of the Dogs song before jumping in for the chorus.
"It's just like the Dogs, they're always taking a swipe," said Arthur Beetson, the former Roosters player, coach and later recruitment manager. "We're no different to any other club.
"A fallacy is that there are a lot of kids coming over from New Zealand aged 14 or 15 with their families, signed by clubs, and they play in the area and they're considered local juniors. I can tell you that we tried to sign Willie and Braith before they went to the Bulldogs but this was all around the time they rorted the salary cap and we couldn't compete with the money they were throwing at them.
"We would love to have all juniors, but like everyone else we are trying to find the best players."
The trend will continue. Only seven of the Roosters' 20 National Youth Competition players played for local junior clubs, with most scouted from Queensland or country NSW.
More surprisingly, only six of the Bulldogs' NYC players were members of junior clubs in the area, with the majority lured from surrounding Sydney suburbs. Gone are the days when St Christopher's and East Hills juniors make up much of the Dogs' representative sides.
Talent scouts are hunting far and wide, and the talents are travelling further for the chance to play at the top level, no matter which team. Pretty soon, that T-shirt will be meaningless.

Where did this weekend's Bulldogs first team come from? Luke Patten (Dragons)
Hazem El Masri (local junior)
Tim Winitana (local junior)
Willie Tonga (Eels)
Heka Nanai (local junior)
Ben Roberts (Tigers)
Daniel Holdsworth (Dragons)
Jarrad Hickey (local junior)
Corey Hughes (local junior)
Kane Cleal (Souths)
Sonny Bill Williams (Auckland Marist)
Andrew Ryan (Eels)
Lee Te Maari (Dragons)
Interchange:Chris Armit (Eels)
Brad Morrin (local junior)
Danny Williams (Roosters)
Michael Sullivan (Warrington)
 

Nuke

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And if you wanted to dig deeper into that list at the end, both Daniel Holdsworth and Lee TeMarri are both WA juniors (North Beach and Joondalup respectively).
 

mattyg

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this has been done when the topic first came up. All of those players were basically NOTHING before they came to us. In particular Kane Cleal. No club wanted him, his career was going nowhere so we picked him up and just over a year later it looks like he is finally making something out of his career. Can't see what is so wrong with what we do? yeah we buy the players at 16 wow, so do the storm. Roosters buy developed players because they can't be assed to develop the players themselves. Best example of this is Danny Williams. He will probably end up playing for QLD at one day but they got rid of him to accomodate O'Meley and Mason simply becuase they couldn't be f**ked to spend a few years turning him into a good player. Same goes with Soward

THAT is what this t-shirt is all about.
 

innsaneink

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mattyg said:
this has been done when the topic first came up. All of those players were basically NOTHING before they came to us. In particular Kane Cleal. No club wanted him, his career was going nowhere so we picked him up and just over a year later it looks like he is finally making something out of his career. Can't see what is so wrong with what we do? yeah we buy the players at 16 wow, so do the storm. Roosters buy developed players because they can't be assed to develop the players themselves. Best example of this is Danny Williams. He will probably end up playing for QLD at one day but they got rid of him to accomodate O'Meley and Mason simply becuase they couldn't be f**ked to spend a few years turning him into a good player. Same goes with Soward

THAT is what this t-shirt is all about.

Haha...nice try
Fail
 

brendothejet

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Well the dogs have 6 local juniors in the team line up this weekend.

I'd love to see how many the Roosters have. (that's a serious question to the roosters fans)

i know they don't have a juniors comp, but there are still several junior clubs under there jurisdiction and its easy to tell the difference between the souths and roosters clubs.

A small point i will make is this. The roosters legend, grand final captain and current coach was a product of which catchment area???



hmmm roosters..
 

Timmah

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Actually the front of the shirt is simply a pot-stir... but the article fails to see this and refuses to take into account the back of the shirt.

The entire point of the shirt is to commemorate 70 years since we won our first final - against Easts - in 1938. The back of the shirt extensively waxes on about it... the front is just a mere reference to the Roosters' direct poaching of four representative players who were already well established.
 

yobbo84

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mattyg said:
this has been done when the topic first came up. All of those players were basically NOTHING before they came to us. In particular Kane Cleal. No club wanted him, his career was going nowhere so we picked him up and just over a year later it looks like he is finally making something out of his career. Can't see what is so wrong with what we do? yeah we buy the players at 16 wow, so do the storm. Roosters buy developed players because they can't be assed to develop the players themselves. Best example of this is Danny Williams. He will probably end up playing for QLD at one day but they got rid of him to accomodate O'Meley and Mason simply becuase they couldn't be f**ked to spend a few years turning him into a good player. Same goes with Soward

THAT is what this t-shirt is all about.

Actually Cleal was at Souths playng first grade in 2006. He was offered a contract, but chose to go to the Dogs because he felt there was more opportunity there to play first grade.
 

Dogaholic

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Bred not bought means that we have most of our players as youngsters, as is the case. Piss poor article.
 

Grail

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mattyg said:
All of those players were basically NOTHING before they came to us.

IIRC, Andrew Ryan played SOO whilst at the Eels.
I may be wrong, but I believe that is the case...
 

[furrycat]

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Grail said:
IIRC, Andrew Ryan played SOO whilst at the Eels.
I may be wrong, but I believe that is the case...
Played in 2001 i think- but didn't get a real go until he was at the dogs
He didn't play for Australia til he was a Bulldog ;-)
 

Grail

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Playing SOO != NOTHING.
So my point stands.

He was a great player for us, and picked up plenty of accolades, he was just forced out due to the salary cap.
 

Danish

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Dogaholic said:
Bred not bought means that we have most of our players as youngsters, as is the case. Piss poor article.


Really?? Is that what its about?? Nurturing players through from 15-16 or so??

Well lets have a look at the roosters team then....

Mini- Been at the roosters his entire 1st grade career, coming up through the lower grades.

Roberts - bought as an established 1st grader

Sa - Brought up through the junior grades, culminating in a 1st grade jumper and international selection for his country

Perrett - A roosters since his mid teens. A part of our undefeated Flegg side of 2002 and brought through to first grade to now play for his country.

SKD - Again, brought to the roosters in the lower grades after coming from NZ. Now playing for his country

Anasta - Bought as an established player

Pearce - Signed on to the roosters as a 16 y.o, developed into a 1st grade footballer and seemingly a future rep player.

Omeley - Bought as an established 1st grader

Brown - Few 1st grade games under his belt when he came to us, we'll see how he develops yet.

Myles - Established, although Freddy has got him now in the best form of his career by a country mile. Will actually earn his QLD jersey this year unlike the last 2.

Mason - Established, obviously.

Toops - Brought up through the grades, a rooster project player and one club man.

Fitzy - Established 1st grade when bought, although with only a couple years under his belt in the top grade we have made him the player he is today (or was a couple years ago :sarcasm:)

Paea - Brought up through the lower grades and developed from very early on. Now representing his country.

Shillington - Been with us since Harrold Matthews or Flegg, another project player who is coming along nicely and could represent his state if he gets a bit more anger about him.

Mitch Aubusson - Brought up through the lower grades, developed into a 1st grader at easts.

James Aubusson - Just like his brother, brought up and developed at easts. Melbourne poached him for a very short time but he has come back home.

Frank-Paul Nuuausala - Brought up through the lower grades of easts, although most likely will still be in the lower grades this weekend.


Seems like that is 10 players in our squad who came up through our lower grades and made their debuts for easts, 1 who was developed by us but debuted for the storm, another couple who were bought while still beginning their careers, and then the rest brought is as developed 1st graders.

Going by your logic we develop the majority of our own players too.
 

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Um, how many of our players were purchased in the middle of their rep careers - ala Mason, Anasta and O'Meley...?
 

Dogaholic

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Myles was a gun at the Dogs and established himself in Origin. His best form was as the Dogs. He is yet to re-capture that.
 

oldmancraigy

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Willie Tonga was good with the Eels too - just behind Jamie Lyon and Vaealiki in the pecking order at the time (why is another question) so he walked

Michael Sullivan wasn't "nothing"

Nor was Andy Ryan (as pointed out)

And Holdsworth played first grade for the Dragons

THEY WAS NOTHING - BULLDOGS RULEZ THE WORLD!!111!!1!!1
 

Timmah

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Noone would debate Sullivan tbh... he's a new recruit and was bought mid career but he'd be about 'it' in terms of players purchased mid-career.

Tonga was struggling to press for first grade at Parramatta, his best form was in his first couple of years in the Blue & White. Andrew Ryan's earned his name at the 'Dogs and never reached fantastic heights at Parra - he was like Tonga - struggling to push for FG.

Holdsworth played FG for Saints... what, 5 or 6 games? :lol: Please.
 

Danish

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Timmah said:
Um, how many of our players were purchased in the middle of their rep careers - ala Mason, Anasta and O'Meley...?



What has that got to do with it??


the shirt, and the you moronic dogs fans argument, is that you develop all your own players, and we dont. Clearly such a point is wrong.


The captain of your side was bought as an established rep player
 

The Brain

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Dogaholic said:
Myles was a gun at the Dogs and established himself in Origin. His best form was as the Dogs. He is yet to re-capture that.
Wrong he is in the best form of his career now been the best player on the field 3 weeks straight
Myles was unwanted by the bulldogs
so was Anasta and O'Mealey
Mason left cause your ceo's and Board of directors were shiitehouse that is obvious with the changes made in that department with a coaching change to follow up as well.
 

Timmah

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Danish said:
What has that got to do with it??


the shirt, and the you moronic dogs fans argument, is that you develop all your own players, and we dont. Clearly such a point is wrong.


The captain of your side was bought as an established rep player

Read my first post in this thread. You're being a pedant about how the shirt is worded and ignoring its point. It has everything to do with it and you know it.
 

Timmah

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The Brain said:
Wrong he is in the best form of his career now been the best player on the field 3 weeks straight.

:lol: What so he earned a Maroon jersey just wandering aimlessly up and down the sideline and getting tackled once and again did he?

The Brain said:
Myles was unwanted by the bulldogs
so was Anasta and O'Mealey
Mason left cause your ceo's and Board of directors were shiitehouse that is obvious with the changes made in that department with a coaching change to follow up as well.

You'll find the departures of Anasta, Myles and O'Meley were due to a lack of funds on our part and trying to keep within the salary cap. We may have been able to keep one or two of them had we not paid overs for SBW and Mason.
 

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