Dragons players investigated over violent fight

[_Johnsy]

Precisely.. i've given up trying to highlight that there are valid situations for a punch to be thrown in a defensive situation.. yet some dragons fans here are ready to throw the kid under the bus, he may aswell have king-hit or head-stomped somebody... whats the difference?

The subject of punching on in Origin comes to mind with this argument too.

Rev

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s418.html
CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 418

Self-defence-when available
418 Self-defence-when available

(1) A person is not criminally responsible for an offence if the person carries out the conduct constituting the offence in self-defence.
(2) A person carries out conduct in self-defence if and only if the person believes the conduct is necessary:
(a) to defend himself or herself or another person, or
(b) to prevent or terminate the unlawful deprivation of his or her liberty or the liberty of another person, or
(c) to protect property from unlawful taking, destruction, damage or interference, or
(d) to prevent criminal trespass to any land or premises or to remove a person committing any such criminal trespass,
and the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as he or she perceives them.

CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 419

Self-defence-onus of proof
419 Self-defence-onus of proof

In any criminal proceedings in which the application of this Division is raised, the prosecution has the onus of proving, beyond reasonable doubt, that the person did not carry out the conduct in self-defence.


Will be interesting when it heads to court. But from what we have heard about the alleged comments Garvey made before the incident, I'd suggest he's in a spot of bother.

 

[love my saints]

Where do you start with that? Not the brightest around I'm guessing.

Someone gets under your skin so they deserved to be knocked out? Someone accidentally bumps into you & spills his & your beer, deserving of being knocked out? Looking at your GF or wife, deserving of being knocked out ?

It's really not that difficult to walk away if someone is getting under your skin, unless you have a need to prove to all & sundry how tough you are.

90%, are we to believe you that it is a fact, according to you. I take it you work in security industry, clubs/pubs or a police officer and you are privy to what happens in each & every case where a person is knocked out.

You're an idiot... get yourself out of the box you live in and go see the real world. Even in Garveys case, it is alleged he was pushed to the ground before throwing the punch!!!
And maybe you have heard of all the anti bully campaigns happening over the last few years, they are there because of the amount of bullying that is going on. Take your misses out on a friday or saturday night and see how the drinkers speak to her... and how complete strangers will belittle you for no reason, whether your with your misses or out with friends...
People are heroes when on the piss... but when the victom Stands up for himself, he is hung to dry!!! And yes, i work in security, so i see what goes on, untill you take your head out of your ass and realise what society is really like, i suggest you dont comment!!!
Every athlete iv seen walk into an establishment i work at is always harrassed by drunken f#ckwits, and after they cop one on the chin, they cry and sook that they didnt do anything wrong.
But let me guess, ur comeback will be that athletes should lock themselves in there house, cause they arent allowed to live a normal life? Ur a goose thats all there is to it.

 

[God-King Dean]

!!!

 

[getsmarty]

Craig Garvey of St George Illawarra Dragons charged with assault

March 4, 2014, 7:36 p.m.

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  Craig Garvey Wollongong Police Station on Tuesday afternoon. Photo: Robert Peet

St George Illawarra NRL player Craig Garvey was charged with assault late Tuesday over an incident in Wollongong's CBD last week.
Garvey and his lawyer attended Wollongong Police Station on Tuesday afternoon where he was charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm and affray over an incident at the Hotel Illawarra last Thursday night.
The 21-year-old was granted conditional bail to appear at Wollongong Local Court on March 25.
Garvey left the police station about 4.20pm.
Neither he nor his lawyer responded to the questions from the Illawarra Mercury.
Police issued a statement on Tuesday night confirming a 21-year-old man would face court later this month "after an alleged assault at a licensed premises in Wollongong".
"About 10.20pm on Thursday, February 27, 2014, an altercation occurred between two men at a licensed premises on Keira Street," the statement said.
"A 26-year-old man was taken to Wollongong Public Hospital for treatment of eye and cheek injuries.
"Detectives from Wollongong Local Area Command began an investigation."
The Dragons stood down Garvey on Friday after what the club said was a breach of its code of conduct.




http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...lawarra-dragons-charged-with-assault/?cs=2382

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

You don't have to have a long neck to be a goose.

 

[Conditionally Human]

Rev, I just don't think you can make the generalisations, or draw the conclusions, either side of the argument.

For better or worse however, fair or not, the cards are stacked against the player/celebrity. They are the role model, whether it is an alcohol fueled pub brawl or a series of infidelities that become public e.g Tiger Woods. They will pay the price.

The difference is the player knows that all their fame, fortune, stature and great life-style is at stake if they mess up.

I'm not against a player physically defending themselves, but I am against violence. That means a proportionate response.

And a professional player needs to be smart enough to know if what they are risking in their response - is worth it. Some can deal with it. Some can't. Some stay away from the situation in the first place.

If a player is held out as a role model (and they know they are because they have it drilled into them), do you think the sort of response that entails the sort of injuries that were inflicted as we have seen in the photo, or like those that Russell Packer inflicted, are warranted? ...because they were provoked?? Is a member of the police force, who is also held out as a role model ...(and they know they are) permitted to inflict such an injury on a member of the public, and they expect society to accept it because he or she says they were provoked?? Police are provoked all the time.

Really, does a pub fight ever really turn out well? It's a time and place where everybody pretty much loses their better judgement. If you can't keep enough good judgement whilst drinking in a public place... then don't drink in public place. Do it at home.

And if our guy wasn't drinking, or affected by alcohol...well somehow that makes it worse.

Wise words indeed!

 

[Father Ted]

Dear Craig
THE FIVE RULES TO REMEMBER IN LIFE



1. Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Corvette than on a bicycle.



2. Forgive your enemy, but remember the ass-hole's name.



3. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.



4. Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them.



5. Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then neither does milk.



AND A BONUS RULE:

Condoms do not guarantee safe sex; a friend of mine was wearing one when he was shot by the woman's husband!

The bottom line and best advice for any man "Just walk away son".

 

[bottle]

Thus endeth the sermon.
Let us pray to the mighty Duges.
C'mon Saints. Amen.

 

[TheRev]

Hail Dugan.

 

[Conditionally Human]

Thus endeth the sermon.
Let us pray to the mighty Duges.
C'mon Saints. Amen.

"Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits (in thy mercy)." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ...."

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[bottle]

It's a spiritual joint to be sure.

 

[_Johnsy]

You're an idiot... get yourself out of the box you live in and go see the real world. Even in Garveys case, it is alleged he was pushed to the ground before throwing the punch!!!
And maybe you have heard of all the anti bully campaigns happening over the last few years, they are there because of the amount of bullying that is going on. Take your misses out on a friday or saturday night and see how the drinkers speak to her... and how complete strangers will belittle you for no reason, whether your with your misses or out with friends...
People are heroes when on the piss... but when the victom Stands up for himself, he is hung to dry!!! And yes, i work in security, so i see what goes on, untill you take your head out of your ass and realise what society is really like, i suggest you dont comment!!!
Every athlete iv seen walk into an establishment i work at is always harrassed by drunken f#ckwits, and after they cop one on the chin, they cry and sook that they didnt do anything wrong.
But let me guess, ur comeback will be that athletes should lock themselves in there house, cause they arent allowed to live a normal life? Ur a goose thats all there is to it.

If only you knew.

Good to see your assumptions are, well suffice to say way off the mark. I've spent over a decade "seeing what really goes on", I have been belittled at work on a daily basis I couldn't give a rats what someone else thinks of me or what they say. Why? they don't know me.

I have been out so, so many times and have never had a drunk speak to my wife with anything but respect. I can only summise that you go out may be a magnet for attracting dickeheads. Again I am only guessing.

Resorting to petulant name calling to try and make a point, I take it you've nothing of substance to offer this discussion then. Good work.

 

[TruSaint]

dear craig
the five rules to remember in life



1. Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a corvette than on a bicycle.



2. Forgive your enemy, but remember the ass-hole's name.



3. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.



4. Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them.



5. Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then neither does milk.



And a bonus rule:

Condoms do not guarantee safe sex; a friend of mine was wearing one when he was shot by the woman's husband!

just walk away>>>>>>>

this

 

[Cagey Mac]

If only you knew.

Good to see your assumptions are, well suffice to say way off the mark. I've spent over a decade "seeing what really goes on", I have been belittled at work on a daily basis I couldn't give a rats what someone else thinks of me or what they say. Why? they don't know me.

I have been out so, so many times and have never had a drunk speak to my wife with anything but respect. I can only summise that you go out may be a magnet for attracting dickeheads. Again I am only guessing.

Resorting to petulant name calling to try and make a point, I take it you've nothing of substance to offer this discussion then. Good work.

Don't take your wife or daughter for a walk along The Corso on a Saturday night!

 

[giboz71]

If only you knew.

Good to see your assumptions are, well suffice to say way off the mark. I've spent over a decade "seeing what really goes on", I have been belittled at work on a daily basis I couldn't give a rats what someone else thinks of me or what they say. Why? they don't know me.

I have been out so, so many times and have never had a drunk speak to my wife with anything but respect. I can only summise that you go out may be a magnet for attracting dickeheads. Again I am only guessing.


Resorting to petulant name calling to try and make a point, I take it you've nothing of substance to offer this discussion then. Good work.

Johnsy whether one attracts idiots or not is irrelevant to the discussion. Simple truth is they are out there. It's a sad part of life.

And I agree that footy stars are targeted wherever they go. But how many of them actually retaliate?? I'd say 99% walk away, Packer and Garvey being recent examples of the exception. And from the responses here, most forum members would walk away as well unless there was a threat of harm to you or loved ones.

Thats how civilised human beings should behave, surely??

 

[TruSaint]

Johnsy whether one attracts idiots or not is irrelevant to the discussion. Simple truth is they are out there. It's a sad part of life.

And I agree that footy stars are targeted wherever they go. But how many of them actually retaliate?? I'd say 99% walk away, Packer and Garvey being recent examples of the exception. And from the responses here, most forum members would walk away as well unless there was a threat of harm to you or loved ones.

Thats how civilised human beings should behave, surely??

Some are targeted and baited sure, but not always because they are footy stars. We make the assumption, that all society knows these guys... fact is they dont. Not everyone follows NRL or AFL, and fringe players are barely recognised. Lets not give too much credit to their fame. Garvey isnt exactly a household name, he has barely played first grade.

The problem generally stems from alcohol. I dont know about the Garvey matter, as apparently he doesn't drink. Irrespective, alcohol delivers a sense of delusional power to some. A look here, a bump there and all of a sudden ... thump.

As BFD said, if people cant handle the grog in public, stay home, call your mates and get smashed.

As to some comment that 90% of people getting punched deserve it... well what can I say.
Actually I do.... its BS. Because then it comes down to the definition of deserve...

When does someone deserve a king hit? When you gave you a smirk, looked at your girl, accidently bumped into you, pushed in line to get a drink, was loud and roudy, ... what determines deserve.

 

[dino2170]

and guys why do people take mats from the hallways in unit complexes

 

[Minh]

Because they can't afford a mat.:sarcasm:

 

[Jubileeboy]

Do they have Welcome on them?

 

[Saint69]

Dear Craig
THE FIVE RULES TO REMEMBER IN LIFE



1. Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Corvette than on a bicycle.



2. Forgive your enemy, but remember the ass-hole's name.



3. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.



4. Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them.



5. Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then neither does milk.



AND A BONUS RULE:

Condoms do not guarantee safe sex; a friend of mine was wearing one when he was shot by the woman's husband!

All Classic!
The bottom line and best advice for any man "Just walk away son".