Dragons team Vs Bronco's Rnd 22

[FlameThrower]

Nick, now you are piss... me off.
Ur a bub lol.
Craig Young, Rod Reddy, Robert Stone, Bruce Starkey, John Jansen.
Baths Babes...
Ohh the glory

1977' was in primary school, first year I followed Dragons(St George)' same year Elvis died, 2 years later 1979 another premiership...I thought picked the right team, this is easy!!!! 80's the forgotten decade, 90's had Broncos to deal with.... and that evil Storm 1999 to rip us off just like Y2K ripped everyone off.....Which brings us to Price....really disappointed that in 3 years from 2 minor premierships, premiership and world club champs, we're 3rd last with everything Bennent out in place gone, dismantled and rusting away in the Carpark....thanks

 

[blacksafake]

Nick, now you are piss... me off.
Ur a bub lol.
Craig Young, Rod Reddy, Robert Stone, Bruce Starkey, John Jansen.
Baths Babes...
Ohh the glory

Rocket Reddy & J J two of my favourites, what a player Jansen was.Was talking to Pat Jarvis the other day & he reckons he could make our team even now,very sad but probably true.He s certainly fit enough.

 

[nrlnrl]

The team list announcement is usually meaningless and the one after a Monday night game is doubly so.

Pardon this interruption. Resume meltdown

correct, plus the Cutters have the bye this week so there will be changes

 

[mickeylane]

If i was Price after last nights loss I would have chosen this team:
Dropped from starting team: Vidot, Green, Fein, Frizell, Stockwell

1. Dugan
2. Morris
3. Runciman
4. Stanley (Goalkicking only)
5. Nightingale

6. Quinlan
7. Drinkwater

8. Weyman
9. Rein
10. Creagh
11. Harrison
12. De Belin
13. Merrin

14. Frizell
15. Stockwell
16. Prior
17. Garvey/King

 

[Black Forest Dragon]

Rocket Reddy & J J two of my favourites, what a player Jansen was.Was talking to Pat Jarvis the other day & he reckons he could make our team even now,very sad but probably true.He s certainly fit enough.

John Jansen was a legend.

He was my brother's maths teacher at Ryde High School in yr9.

Didn't he get MotM in 77 GF replay, or was it 79?

I thought the same - 2x GFs in 3 years, will always be the best Team. They still and always are to me the BEST TEAM in the NRL.

Look at the bright side. Assuming we don't make the 8 again next year....

....only 392 days left to go of Steve Price's Coaching contract !!

 

[mickeylane]

When we were at our peak March 2011 the below was our team...next to it is our best team this year omitting Cooper, Beale, Stanley as theyve played no part...theres only a few missing from the 2011 team..

Notable problems:
Fullback - like for like
Wingers - same pairing
Centre pairings in 2013 way below 2011 pair of Gaz/Coops
5/8 and Halfback : Soward shadow of himself and Hornby over Fien
2nd Row - Scott missing!! Do we miss him that much?

So whats gone wrong?

Answer: Price has failed to motivate a squad that has many similarities to the Gun 2011 team except for our centres....he has failed to coach and improve or even maintain the players form...he has failed to instill confidence, style of play....he has turned experienced rep players into pathetic park footballers - see examples below:
Soward, Creagh, Hunt, Prior, Weyman, Fien

2013 Team 2011 Team
1. Josh Dugan 1. Boyd
2. Brett Morris 2. Morris
3. Chase Stanley 3. Gasnier
4. Daniel Vidot 4. Cooper
5. Nightingale 5. Nightingale

6. Jamie Soward 6. Soward
7. Nathan Fien 7. Hornby

8. Weyman 8. Weyman
9. Mitch Rein 9. Fien
10. Dan Hunt (c) 10. Hunt
11. Bronson Harrison 11. Scott
12. Ben Creagh 12. Creagh
13. Prior 13. Prior

14. Frizell 14. Young
15. Debelin 15. Merrin
16. Merrin 16. Green
17. King 17. King

 

[hardbaby]

The lack of improvement killed us this year. Rep players went backwards. Only a couple of younger guys went on with it. Injuries galore. And as for organic growth? We didn't see much of it. It's not just Price that needs to go. We need to look at all the coaches and start asking serious questions as to how they got their jobs. Far too much cronyism for mine.

 

[grouch]

Rep players went backwards.

Merrin played 2 Origins in 2012. 3 in 2013.
Morris 1 in 2012. 3 in 2013.
Backwards?

And as for organic growth? We didn't see much of it.

First grade debuts to Quinlan, Garvey, Cook, Drinkwater. Breakout seasons for de belin and Stockwell.

I'm not a Price fan but I am a fan of facts.. and you seem to post a lot of the opposite

 

[TheRev]

First grade debuts to Quinlan, Garvey, Cook, Drinkwater. Breakout seasons for de belin and Stockwell.

I'm not a Price fan but I am a fan of facts.. and you seem to post a lot of the opposite

Looks good on paper, but the reality is DW got 20 Minutes, Garvey got 40 Minutes, Cook got dumped after about 2 games, only Quinlan eventually got another bash after also being dumped.

Thats not giving those blokes a go, its a token effort only, the reality is that DW, Garvey & Cook were all really good for us on debut and deserved atleast a half dozen games each by now.

 

[Saint Anger]

Looks good on paper, but the reality is DW got 20 Minutes, Garvey got 40 Minutes, Cook got dumped after about 2 games, only Quinlan eventually got another bash after also being dumped.

Thats not giving those blokes a go, its a token effort only, the reality is that DW, Garvey & Cook were all really good for us on debut and deserved atleast a half dozen games each by now.

yep, and announcing back in January that Fien was getting the nod at #7 wasn't called for.

A stupid mistake we are still paying the "price" for.

 

[jenninga]

Looks good on paper, but the reality is DW got 20 Minutes, Garvey got 40 Minutes, Cook got dumped after about 2 games, only Quinlan eventually got another bash after also being dumped.

Thats not giving those blokes a go, its a token effort only, the reality is that DW, Garvey & Cook were all really good for us on debut and deserved atleast a half dozen games each by now.

Apart from Quinlan,Cook has been the most impressive debutants,he looked quite good v Tigers and then never seen again.Drinkwater looked lost during his limited time on the field and as frustrating it has been with Fien,we can't just throw a guy in at halfback if the coaching staff don't think he is ready,I know it's Price, but still.
Perhaps with Drinkwater starting to play better for the Cutters,a couple more good games may see him put in for the last couple of games,unless the club have already decided he is not part of our future.

 

[giboz71]

Merrin played 2 Origins in 2012. 3 in 2013.
Morris 1 in 2012. 3 in 2013.
Backwards?

First grade debuts to Quinlan, Garvey, Cook, Drinkwater. Breakout seasons for de belin and Stockwell.

I'm not a Price fan but I am a fan of facts.. and you seem to post a lot of the opposite

Sure..you've cherry picked a couple of examples where some players have progressed from the previous year. Morris is a bit of a stretch, he was a bona fide rep player way before Price was on the seen.

But honestly, in your opinion, has the squad as a whole improved or developed as a result of Price's tutelage? Have our promising juniors fulfilled their potential? Have we had a gun junior bolt out of the blue like A Cherry Evans, Adam Reynolds, or Tuivasa Scheck?? Other than the recruitment, is there any cause to feel positive about next year, based on what Price has put forward in the last 2 years?

If Price does get the boot at the end of the year, I'm struggling to come up with any positives from his so called "legacy" whatsoever???

 

[Dezziedc]

Apart from Quinlan,Cook has been the most impressive debutants,he looked quite good v Tigers and then never seen again.Drinkwater looked lost during his limited time on the field and as frustrating it has been with Fien,we can't just throw a guy in at halfback if the coaching staff don't think he is ready,I know it's Price, but still.
Perhaps with Drinkwater starting to play better for the Cutters,a couple more good games may see him put in for the last couple of games,unless the club have already decided he is not part of our future.

Drinkwater added nothing during his debut and from all accounts has not been performing in the Cutters until very recently (so much so that he was even dropped from the Cutters). And lets not forget Charly has had the opportunity to play a couple of games as well. Plenty of Juniors getting a chance in NRL and getting an opportunity to improve their game in the Cutters - with limited results.

Just because we have players playing in those positions in other teams doesn't mean they automatically get a chance in 1st Grade. I was talking to some players from the QLD cup the other day and they were saying that bringing juniors through to the QLD cup is a massive step - the physicality and mental change is a huge step and some just don't adjust - and those few who then go on to play NRL find that a massive jump as well. As much as you want to, you can't just throw them into the big league from the under 20s. Even if you do, a very small percentage of players will succeed. You also risk destroying, or in the very least delaying, their career.

Take Cherry Evans for example (based on giboz's post) - played 2 years in the NYC and then a full year in the QLD cup (most likely spending some of his 2 years in the NYC playing the occasional game in the QLD cup as well) as well as a full pre-season training in his current position with the 1st grade team before making his NRL debut. That isn't an overnight sensation. That is doing his time in the lower grades. Quinlan only made his debut in the Cutters half way through last year - so he has also pretty much played a year in the NSW equivalent. From there he played 1 game for the cutters in the halves and was then thrown into first grade as half (not his natural position). And hell, you can't say he has the same skill level that Cherry Evans had when he started playing for 1st Grade.

I think the process for bringing through younger players has been fair - they need to be eased into it (and only if they are showing some real potential and positive attitude). And to be honest, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, so we don't know the reasons behind not promoting some players.

 

[SaintSnow]

Pretty sure we'll be seeing DW run on on the weekend

 

[BennyV]

Drinkwater added nothing during his debut and from all accounts has not been performing in the Cutters until very recently (so much so that he was even dropped from the Cutters). And lets not forget Charly has had the opportunity to play a couple of games as well. Plenty of Juniors getting a chance in NRL and getting an opportunity to improve their game in the Cutters - with limited results.

Just because we have players playing in those positions in other teams doesn't mean they automatically get a chance in 1st Grade. I was talking to some players from the QLD cup the other day and they were saying that bringing juniors through to the QLD cup is a massive step - the physicality and mental change is a huge step and some just don't adjust - and those few who then go on to play NRL find that a massive jump as well. As much as you want to, you can't just throw them into the big league from the under 20s. Even if you do, a very small percentage of players will succeed. You also risk destroying, or in the very least delaying, their career.

Take Cherry Evans for example (based on giboz's post) - played 2 years in the NYC and then a full year in the QLD cup (most likely spending some of his 2 years in the NYC playing the occasional game in the QLD cup as well) as well as a full pre-season training in his current position with the 1st grade team before making his NRL debut. That isn't an overnight sensation. That is doing his time in the lower grades. Quinlan only made his debut in the Cutters half way through last year - so he has also pretty much played a year in the NSW equivalent. From there he played 1 game for the cutters in the halves and was then thrown into first grade as half (not his natural position). And hell, you can't say he has the same skill level that Cherry Evans had when he started playing for 1st Grade.

I think the process for bringing through younger players has been fair - they need to be eased into it (and only if they are showing some real potential and positive attitude). And to be honest, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, so we don't know the reasons behind not promoting some players.

The problem that supercedes all this is that kids think they are entitled to a 1st grade start straight out of NYC. This is due to the lack of prestige in NSW Cup (should be reserve grade), the extra attention they get from playing curtain raisers every week, and clubs poaching and pumping their self-worth up undeservedly!

The above is also the reason we see people calling out for the likes of Hastings, Cummins, Runciman, Seru etc to get a run ASAP.

HOWEVER, Dragons are in a different situation; we are simply out of players due to injuries and poor recruitment. So sometimes, we need to give some kids a go.

 

[Minh]

Reserve grade and Presidents cup on the same day before the First Grade game was by far the best format, it seemed to have much more prestige as it gave a real feel of being a stepping stone to First Grade and was a good showcase of potential talent before the main game. If you were an up and coming player you would feel much closer to First Grade being in this environment.

 

[Black Forest Dragon]

Reserve grade and Presidents cup on the same day before the First Grade game was by far the best format, it seemed to have much more prestige as it gave a real feel of being a stepping stone to First Grade and was a good showcase of potential talent before the main game. If you were an up and coming player you would feel much closer to First Grade being in this environment.

...this is sooooo true.

- the curtain raisers show-casing Juniors leading up to the main game. The sense of occassion was terrific.

As a kid I was amazed how the players got bigger as each more senior side ran on to the field.

And to see who from reserve grade stayed and sat on the bench as a last minute inclusion to the first grade. They got a new Jersey but ran on in already dirty Shorts. Classic.

But of course, we are dinosaurs for thinking this - and the NRL knows better.

 

[Black Forest Dragon]

Looks good on paper, but the reality is DW got 20 Minutes, Garvey got 40 Minutes, Cook got dumped after about 2 games, only Quinlan eventually got another bash after also being dumped.

Thats not giving those blokes a go, its a token effort only, the reality is that DW, Garvey & Cook were all really good for us on debut and deserved atleast a half dozen games each by now.

...I agree.

I think "given a go" should not mean 20 mins, but three or four games. It's the inconsistency with Steve Price. He gives some (some call them his favs) e.g. Fein and Stanley a helluva go, but other juniors a token go ...and proceeds to tick that box.

No.

 

[Black Forest Dragon]

Drinkwater added nothing during his debut and from all accounts has not been performing in the Cutters until very recently (so much so that he was even dropped from the Cutters). And lets not forget Charly has had the opportunity to play a couple of games as well. Plenty of Juniors getting a chance in NRL and getting an opportunity to improve their game in the Cutters - with limited results.

Just because we have players playing in those positions in other teams doesn't mean they automatically get a chance in 1st Grade. I was talking to some players from the QLD cup the other day and they were saying that bringing juniors through to the QLD cup is a massive step - the physicality and mental change is a huge step and some just don't adjust - and those few who then go on to play NRL find that a massive jump as well. As much as you want to, you can't just throw them into the big league from the under 20s. Even if you do, a very small percentage of players will succeed. You also risk destroying, or in the very least delaying, their career.

Take Cherry Evans for example (based on giboz's post) - played 2 years in the NYC and then a full year in the QLD cup (most likely spending some of his 2 years in the NYC playing the occasional game in the QLD cup as well) as well as a full pre-season training in his current position with the 1st grade team before making his NRL debut. That isn't an overnight sensation. That is doing his time in the lower grades. Quinlan only made his debut in the Cutters half way through last year - so he has also pretty much played a year in the NSW equivalent. From there he played 1 game for the cutters in the halves and was then thrown into first grade as half (not his natural position). And hell, you can't say he has the same skill level that Cherry Evans had when he started playing for 1st Grade.

I think the process for bringing through younger players has been fair - they need to be eased into it (and only if they are showing some real potential and positive attitude). And to be honest, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, so we don't know the reasons behind not promoting some players.

 

[Divine]

Drinkwater will be playing for a contract. Just not with us. Hardly a WIN/WIN but perhaps a win/win.