DUGAN TO BE ANNOUNCED A SHARK THIS FRIDAY!

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Josh Dugan's decision to defect to arch-rivals Cronulla has been made easy by the way St George-Illawarra have dropped the ball with the negotiations.

Dugan is gutted by the lack of respect shown by the Dragons, who have failed to balk on the original offer they put on the table last November.

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I don't believe a word of it until there is a quote from Dugan.

It's a business not a popularity contest and haven't seen much lack of respect in Duges performance.

 

[Old Timer]

I am too to be honest.

It's not like he's led us to any kind of success since he's been our marquis and most expensive signing. We've made the semis once (scraping into 8th place) since he's been here.

If he doesn't want to be here so be it. I'm actually quite confident based on the games he's missed (including last night) that we'll do just fine without him.

Dugan clearly stated he wanted to stay at the Dragons
Dugan stated he wanted to play FB not centre (thanks very much you dick head Millward)
Dugan has not said anything about Cronulla or the likes that is all shit talk by others. Even if it does happen Dugan said nothing during any negotiations.
Dugan wasn't the coach with the bad game plans and wrong selections (Matthews to centre, De Belin to half, Benji anywhere, Rein, Lafai for 12 weeks when he was playing shit etc etc) not even truly great players could have lifted us up through that mess.
Unfair criticism being level;led at him IMO and like all players he is entitled to ask for what he thinks he is worth.

 

[giboz71]

Dugan clearly stated he wanted to stay at the Dragons
Dugan stated he wanted to play FB not centre (thanks very much you dick head Millward)
Dugan has not said anything about Cronulla or the likes that is all shit talk by others. Even if it does happen Dugan said nothing during any negotiations.
Dugan wasn't the coach with the bad game plans and wrong selections (Matthews to centre, De Belin to half, Benji anywhere, Rein, Lafai for 12 weeks when he was playing shit etc etc) not even truly great players could have lifted us up through that mess.
Unfair criticism being level;led at him IMO and like all players he is entitled to ask for what he thinks he is worth.

Don't disagree. And I said the same about Bmoz and Merrin leaving. If someone else comes up with an offer , you have to take it.

Agree Millward shouldn't have dragged this out in public, that was unnecessary. And brings some truth to the notion that the club wasn't really that keen to re-sign him.

I don't have anything against Duges. I think he would have been a great centre for us, but I fully support the club in believing we need another option at FB if we're really going to challenge for the title.

 

[possm]

I am too to be honest.

It's not like he's led us to any kind of success since he's been our marquis and most expensive signing. We've made the semis once (scraping into 8th place) since he's been here.

If he doesn't want to be here so be it. I'm actually quite confident based on the games he's missed (including last night) that we'll do just fine without him.

All I say is, if it's a local young gun to replace Dugan, play him at fullback for the remainder of the season. Put Dugan at right centre to sure up defence.

If we are going to replace Dugan by recruiting a player externally, then play Dugan at fullback, Milne at right centre and Mann at 7.

 

[giboz71]

All I say is, if it's a local young gun to replace Dugan, play him at fullback for the remainder of the season. Put Dugan at right centre to sure up defence.

If we are going to replace Dugan by recruiting a player externally, then play Dugan at fullback, Milne at right centre and Mann at 7.

With regards to one of our juniors replacing Dugan at FB, if we had signed him to a 4 year deal like he wanted, what does that say to Field, Dufty and Marsters? What motivation would they have to stay with Duges and Widdop locked up for the next 4 years? Where would they play in our backline? If these guys left and then shined for another club, it would be like Jack Bird all over again and this place would go into meltdown.

By setting Duges loose, the club has effectively said there is a vacancy at FB from next year and whoever shines brightest will get first crack.

It's now up to these guys and you can probably add Mann to that equation to make that spot theirs. I think it's actually a very good move by the club.

 

[possm]

Don't disagree. And I said the same about Bmoz and Merrin leaving. If someone else comes up with an offer , you have to take it.

Agree Millward shouldn't have dragged this out in public, that was unnecessary. And brings some truth to the notion that the club wasn't really that keen to re-sign him.

I don't have anything against Duges. I think he would have been a great centre for us, but I fully support the club in believing we need another option at FB if we're really going to challenge for the title.

Greedy player manager, incompetent coach and load mouth recruitment offer contributed to this MESS.

 

[blacksafake]

Dragons will probably announce Dugan departure during the bye weekend when know one will give a f**k and the heat is off.
Duges tipped to re-unite with Pricey whom will claim RedV had their pants pulled down.
I'm over this mega drawn out debacle.......move on!

Right in the middle of origin where all the focus will be.

 

[possm]

With regards to one of our juniors replacing Dugan at FB, if we had signed him to a 4 year deal like he wanted, what does that say to Field, Dufty and Marsters? What motivation would they have to stay with Duges and Widdop locked up for the next 4 years? Where would they play in our backline? If these guys left and then shined for another club, it would be like Jack Bird all over again and this place would go into meltdown.

By setting Duges loose, the club has effectively said there is a vacancy at FB from next year and whoever shines brightest will get first crack.

It's now up to these guys and you can probably add Mann to that equation to make that spot theirs. I think it's actually a very good move by the club.

Vaughan was signed last year and then extended an extra year this month.
Why couldn't we extend Dugan and Packer for two years last year? Give the reason we want to wait for the rise in cap for the next extension. Give them both a pay rise of 100k.

In doing this we would not have all the extension fuss this year and would also have timed the next extension to be at a time when our young guns are ready.
What a mess, a Millward mess.

 

[getsmarty]

Vaughan was signed last year and then extended an extra year this month.
Why couldn't we extend Dugan and Packer for two years last year? Give the reason we want to wait for the rise in cap for the next extension. Give them both a pay rise of 100k.

In doing this we would not have all the extension fuss this year and would also have timed the next extension to be at a time when our young guns are ready.
What a mess, a Millward mess.

The player and his manager would want to extend. Packer was offered a much better deal by the Tigers and dugan seems to be chasing the best offer money wise and in terms of years.We did try to extend duges but he wasn't happy with our offer. Millward is trying to balance the books. Its a pity we look like losing both. Personally would love to have kept both but I think we have players to cover fullback and Packer will be hard to replace.

 

[Blood Shot Eyes]

Unfortunately its all dollar driven these day ......yes the money has always been the main issue but as a player it was also the opportunity to play in your preferred position at another club....having said that for example if Dugans preferred position is fullback and he goes to The Sharks then theres no way he's going to replace Holmes at fullback hes centre bound trust me......and its ironic the bloke he will replace is going to The Donkeys.......and if Birdy thinks hes going to Brisbane as a 5/8 or fullback then think again buddy because theres no way Uncle Wayne will move Boyd, and the way Nikorima is firing him and Milford will be the halves.....our old mate Jack will end up where hes playing now in the centres with Roberts.....bit different with Hunt coming to us as he will be our half and Tedesco will be the fullback at The Roosters.....as I said for the others its all about the money.......I still for one hope Dugan stays...just my thoughts on the whole debacle....now Ill move on.myself.

 

[possm]

The player and his manager would want to extend. Packer was offered a much better deal by the Tigers and dugan seems to be chasing the best offer money wise and in terms of years.We did try to extend duges but he wasn't happy with our offer. Millward is trying to balance the books. Its a pity we look like losing both. Personally would love to have kept both but I think we have players to cover fullback and Packer will be hard to replace.

The Tigers didn't want Packer last year.
The Sharks didn't want Dugan last year.

We wanted both of them for an extra 2 years - until our young guns were tried and tested. So, if Millward knew the youn guns weren't ready for 2018, or there was a good possibility the young guns would not be ready, then why not act?

 

[Dragonslayer]

If Dugan accepts a 4yr deal @ 700k with the Sharks then this is manager driven IMO.
If our offer is 750k and 3yrs it would basically mean a loss of around 40k for the manager.
I think that if 3yrs 750 and an option in the clubs favour for a 4th then maybe Dugan may stay.

 

[Gareth67]

If Dugan accepts a 4yr deal @ 700k with the Sharks then this is manager driven IMO.
If our offer is 750k and 3yrs it would basically mean a loss of around 40k for the manager.
I think that if 3yrs 750 and an option in the clubs favour for a 4th then maybe Dugan may stay.

Not trying to steal your thunder Dragonslayer , however that is exactly the same offer that I suggested quite some time ago - a most fair offer imo .

More so when his original contract was for 4 years at $ 780 k per year . The highest paid Dragon in our team for that period .

The drop would be $30 k per year , however on the 4th ( option year ) the amount could be raised to $ 800 k . Still damn good money for a chap whom is no spring chicken .

 

[getsmarty]

The Tigers didn't want Packer last year.
The Sharks didn't want Dugan last year.

We wanted both of them for an extra 2 years - until our young guns were tried and tested. So, if Millward knew the youn guns weren't ready for 2018, or there was a good possibility the young guns would not be ready, then why not act?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. None of us really know the ins and outs as we are not personally involved. I think Millward has done a pretty good job. We can't keep them all. In previous years we have paid/offered massive overs for players, eg D. Hunt/.M.Rein. This is not having a go at those players but we need to balance the books. If the club/Millward put a price on a certain player and the player wants more money, it has a flow on effect in that we have less money for another position.
Unfortunately we don't have the luxury of unlimited Third party payments like some clubs and then when players go chasing the dollar we cannot compete. It has been reported that Millward had made an offer to Dugan last year, which allegedly he and his manager were not happy with. As for Packer, he was out of the game for 2 years and you cannot begrudge him for taking the tigers offer in order to set up his family. We would all do the same thing if the money was there to secure our futures.

 

[giboz71]

The Tigers didn't want Packer last year.
The Sharks didn't want Dugan last year.

We wanted both of them for an extra 2 years - until our young guns were tried and tested. So, if Millward knew the youn guns weren't ready for 2018, or there was a good possibility the young guns would not be ready, then why not act?

But why would they sign for 2 years, They are both late 20's and at their peak, they would want max deals and so they should.

As others have said, it's Millward's job to balance the books and that would have been impossible with both Packer and Duges staying.

Keep in mind McInnes is only sighed till the end of next year so he will be up for a big pay day as well. Now he's one guy we can't lose.

 

[monsterkev]

i dont understand why he thinks the club is not showing him respect
just because they have not offered a million bucks
sharks didn't offer that either
I hope he does jump ship for less money and then has to play centre

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

i dont understand why he thinks the club is not showing him respect
just because they have not offered a million bucks
sharks didn't offer that either
I hope he does jump ship for less money and then has to play centre

I don't think he cares if he plays fullback or centre, he just wants the big bucks that fullback position gives, it's now become a " pride" thing, he would rather sign with someone else as he feels we have shafted him...

 

[Old Timer]

But why would they sign for 2 years, They are both late 20's and at their peak, they would want max deals and so they should.

As others have said, it's Millward's job to balance the books and that would have been impossible with both Packer and Duges staying.

Keep in mind McInnes is only sighed till the end of next year so he will be up for a big pay day as well. Now he's one guy we can't lose.

Yes Mc Innes is up for a pay day soon and must be kept.
In the meantime we carry
Masoe, Glymin, KFFL, Marketo, Matthews, Mc Carthy and a few more so dispense with all of them and give all those spots to out most promising.
Millward can't balance the books because he and others can't arrange any TPA's.
All the excuses why we have to keep letting people go yet no decent TPA's are ever negotiated and who is responsible for that?
Mc Inness, Vaughan, Widdop, DE Belin are all good styles of blokes how is it we cant get people to kick the tin for them so as to ease cap pressure.
People get caught up in who we sign and the result is the cap $$$ diminishes and some say well the people are doing a great job recruiting but we have to shed quality players top do so which IMO opinion is laughable.
Therefore I say that they are not doing a good job as they are only doing part of the job well.
Since when has losing 2 internationals for not much more than our offers been considered acceptable?
If we let them go due to them not fitting our ongoing strategy then that is a different scenario but the fact is we wanted to keep both and not having done so the excuses get trotted out.
Recruitment has many couples parts to it and in the modern game TPA's are critical and we are appalling in that respect.

 

[giboz71]

i dont understand why he thinks the club is not showing him respect
just because they have not offered a million bucks
sharks didn't offer that either
I hope he does jump ship for less money and then has to play centre

He will be playing centre. Holmes has been great for them at FB and Flanno has declared he will be FB.

No one will win a comp with Duges at FB, Sharks know this so he will definitely slot into Bird's right centre spot and only fill in if Holmes is hurt.

That's really his best position.

 

[giboz71]

Yes Mc Innes is up for a pay day soon and must be kept.
In the meantime we carry
Masoe, Glymin, KFFL, Marketo, Matthews, Mc Carthy and a few more so dispense with all of them and give all those spots to out most promising.
Millward can't balance the books because he and others can't arrange any TPA's.
All the excuses why we have to keep letting people go yet no decent TPA's are ever negotiated and who is responsible for that?
Mc Inness, Vaughan, Widdop, DE Belin are all good styles of blokes how is it we cant get people to kick the tin for them so as to ease cap pressure.
People get caught up in who we sign and the result is the cap $$$ diminishes and some say well the people are doing a great job recruiting but we have to shed quality players top do so which IMO opinion is laughable.
Therefore I say that they are not doing a good job as they are only doing part of the job well.
Since when has losing 2 internationals for not much more than our offers been considered acceptable?
If we let them go due to them not fitting our ongoing strategy then that is a different scenario but the fact is we wanted to keep both and not having done so the excuses get trotted out.
Recruitment has many couples parts to it and in the modern game TPA's are critical and we are appalling in that respect.

Did you watch the game last night?

We beat a full strength Warriors side away from home, largely with depth players, and astute signings from other clubs put together by the recruitment team you are bagging.

We're currently in the top 4 despite having 3 starting backline players out.

Think you're a bit of a tough marker.