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Dump the NBN and fund sport!

CMUX

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for the future


As I thought, you can’t even list a necessary service or 2 that we NEED an NBN for.


Oh okay. Thanks for solving that issue for us.
If someone asked you how to end world hunger I bet you’d say “Grow more food”.


It will cost a whole lot less to upgrade than it will to build an NBN and then when t he market is ready the private sector will build an NBN at the price of $0 to you, me and every other tax payer.
 

Crusher

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This is a fairly balanced article from UK based Textio

arn] The National Broadband Network (NBN) has been the darling of the broadband industry since it was given a $43 billion dollar budget and the goal of being a wholesale-only network.
Many major ISPs have supported the fibre-based network for its scope and capacity to end Telstra’s stranglehold over wholesale broadband services. The Labor Party also pushed it as one of its key policies in the lead-up to the election.
On the other hand, the Coalition’s $6 billion wireless-centric plan met strong criticism from much of the industry.
When the Alliance for Affordable Broadband came onto the scene, it shattered the happy family image of a unified ISP industry which favoured Labor’s $43 billion baby.
The group includes AAPT CEO, Paul Broad, Pipe Network founder, Bevan Slattery, and BigAir CEO, Jason Ashton. The rebel ISPs wrote an open letter deriding the current NBN plans and proposed an NBN 3.0 which heavily features wireless technology.
In this ONLINE ONLY interview ARN spoke to Broad about why he think the Labor’s NBN is a waste of money, the need for more transparency and his views on why the NBN will be a step back in time for the telco industry.
Why has it taken so long for the Alliance to enter the NBN debate?
If you follow the public debate, I was probably the first one to go public when the govt announced the NBN.
In fact, I was on a business program on ABC making the valid point that to make the NBN work, you’d probably have to pay twice as much as what you pay today and for our customers they don’t get speeds they particularly want.
I made the point in the early days and have done so pretty consistently right throughout the debate.
Stayed out of the election campaign because I don’t think it’s appropriate for businesses to be entering that debate. That’s for politicians.
But a lot of major ISPs have lauded the NBN…
I think most of the industry recognises there is an enormous amount of capacity in the ground today and one of the reasons we’re coming out is to make it really clear that you can leverage what we have today.
We don’t agree at all that as building of an alternative network should reduce competition.
The benefits to consumers from competition from the last 20 years have been enormous. If we are going to re-monopolise the industry under a Government monopoly – which was what we had 20 years ago before Government started making changes – then it would be a huge backwards step.
What [the Alliance] is saying is there’s a lot of infrastructure in the ground. Leverage what we’ve got.
Yes, we accept and agree on the grand vision of broadband access to everybody. But Just a simple fact: The 2000 schools in NSW are all hooked on fibre today – this was just announced by the state government the other day.
I could be wrong on this, think over 90 per cent of hospitals are already on broadband and I think for us, iiNet and others, our customers in metro areas have access to high speeds on ADSL2+ but 95 per cent of them don’t use the top seeds that are available.
We are just trying to introduce a little bit of reality into the debate. We are arguing the case that multiple forms of technology can deliver what the Government wants for a fraction of the price it’s talking about.
ARN spoke to Big Air’s Jason Ashton (another member of the Alliance) who said wireless growth has skyrocketed in recent years. But could this figure be partially driven by people in certain places that can’t get access to fixed-line services and are forced to take up wireless?
Well, I think you look at the facts. The number of people on fixed broadband is going down. People are getting out of fixed into wireless.
People will trade mobility and convenience for speed.
 

Gaba

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As I thought, you can’t even list a necessary service or 2 that we NEED an NBN for.


why isnt everyone still on dial-up , to watch live steaming


Since this topic is in an rugby league forum

The nbn will improve online steaming for rugby league games and other rugby league related stuff
 
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CMUX

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why isnt everyone still on dial-up

The nbn will improve online steaming for rugby league games

We are not on dial up because there was a demand for broadband services and the private sector delivered.

Who gives a f**k about streaming rugby league games? We are talking about $43B of tax payer’s money. You still have not given me a reason as to why we NEED an NBN.
 

Gaba

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We are not on dial up because there was a demand for broadband services and the private sector delivered.

Who gives a f**k about streaming rugby league games? We are talking about $43B of tax payer’s money. You still have not given me a reason as to why we NEED an NBN.


you have to accept technology changes , like you have commented a demand for broadband the nbn is going to improve that demand
 

Crusher

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You can't use online Rugby League streaming as a reason for broadband.
It's quicker to turn on the TV dont you think?
 

Crusher

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you have to accept technology changes , like you have commented a demand for broadband the nbn is going to improve that demand

the stats so far differ. Even though internet capabilities have improved over the years more and more people are still turning to wireless.
 

Gaba

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You can't use online Rugby League streaming as a reason for broadband.
It's quicker to turn on the TV dont you think?

More tv and sport content are going online , hence the telstra t- box and other isps have their own internet tv services.


Conferences will be easier , medical services
 

Crusher

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More tv and sport content are going online , hence the telstra t- box and other isps have their own internet tv services.


Conferences will be easier , medical services

thats true but will people pay three or four times as much to watch this via NBN for the sake of a few seconds saved. Its probably a debate to be had but I wouldn't.
 

bazza

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Ah yes good old Rupert Guinness. Very good writer actually.

Another waste...the question is why does this always happen.

because governments generally waste money

any government funding of sport should be confined to grass roots/junior sports

this thread seems not relevant to the NRL
 

age.s

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As I thought, you can’t even list a necessary service or 2 that we NEED an NBN for.

FFS really?

How about distance learning? Live streaming into lecture theatres for students in remote areas to give them access to the best education we can provide in this country.

FFS are we really having a discussion on whether faster internet provides benefits for businesses, students and peoples recreation? To quote from a hilarious sitcom "I'm sorry, but are you from the past?"

Fast internet gives people access to every single thing the digital world has to offer. Product updates, video & audio streaming (which is used for far more than pr0nz or RL streaming), real time file sharing, website editing, the ability to use the internet on more than 2 machines at a time. That's just off the top of my head.
 

Perth Red

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Superfast porn or sport? Geez some decisions in life are just too hard! :)

Compared to a lot of other countries I've been to our internet is shocking and ridiculously expensive. Even Portugal, which borders on poverty in some areas, has faster and cheaper internet access, including to remote areas.
 

seaeagle sam

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google wireless vs cable take up and you will see hundreds of articles from many sources. Then make up your own mind if you believe it or not.

FMD what rubbish. Why don't you Google 'wireless radio spectrum' and 'costs of radio spectrum' and 'wireless latency'.
 

Perth Red

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thats true but will people pay three or four times as much to watch this via NBN for the sake of a few seconds saved. Its probably a debate to be had but I wouldn't.

for a few seconds no, for ultra HD/3D with no delay yep damn right!

we are the 48th ranked country in the world for internet, Sth Korea is aiming to go to 1GBPS service, I'm lucky if I can avg 2mps despite paying through the nose.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/01/australias-fastest-average-broadband-speed-is-5-8mbps/
 
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