Dump the NBN and fund sport!

[clarency]

You know crusher is just here to entertain himself when he is turning back to arguments that have previously been refuted.

NBN is necessary. As it was said many times during the election campaign, "if we all thought like you we'd still be using typewriters."

 

[Spanner in the works]

It's degenerated into a NBN vs no NBN thread. Go to Four Corners. There are plenty of threads dedicated to this discussion.

 

[Kilkenny]

The NBN will be the biggest white elephant in Australia's history, which alongside the litany of other disasters forced upon us by Julie Gillard, Bob Brown and a host of other loonies will take 10 or more years for Liberal to turn around once they are returned at the next federal election whenever that may be. Yeah sure politics and sport don't mix, but by the time Julie Gillard gets her new pokie tax laws introduced there may be one less sport to watch and that will be Rugby League when the majority of Clubs in NSW and other parts of the country go out the back door. Well done to all those who voted for Julia and returned the worst federal government in our history back into power.

 

[seaeagle sam]

The NBN will be the biggest white elephant in Australia's history, which alongside the litany of other disasters forced upon us by Julie Gillard, Bob Brown and a host of other loonies will take 10 or more years for Liberal to turn around once they are returned at the next federal election whenever that may be. Yeah sure politics and sport don't mix, but by the time Julie Gillard gets her new pokie tax laws introduced there may be one less sport to watch and that will be Rugby League when the majority of Clubs in NSW and other parts of the country go out the back door. Well done to all those who voted for Julia and returned the worst federal government in our history back into power.

This is not the forum for this garbage. Take a Bex and go have a rest somewhere cozy. There are plenty of other threads on this site alone you can spit your politics.

 

[clarency]

The NBN will be the biggest white elephant in Australia's history, which alongside the litany of other disasters forced upon us by Julie Gillard, Bob Brown and a host of other loonies will take 10 or more years for Liberal to turn around once they are returned at the next federal election whenever that may be. Yeah sure politics and sport don't mix, but by the time Julie Gillard gets her new pokie tax laws introduced there may be one less sport to watch and that will be Rugby League when the majority of Clubs in NSW and other parts of the country go out the back door. Well done to all those who voted for Julia and returned the worst federal government in our history back into power.

 

[Kilkenny]

This is not the forum for this garbage. Take a Bex and go have a rest somewhere cozy. There are plenty of other threads on this site alone you can spit your politics.

The best thing about the NBN is by the time it is rolled out morons such as you won't be able to afford it and hereby we will be spared your ill informed comments. And if you can afford to pay for the ultra high speed broadband offered by the NBN than you will be viewing it in the dark because you will surely not be able to pay your electricity bills after the introduction of Julia's carbon tax. For the record am I generally not into politics as such, and from a working background believing Labor governments were supposed to be for the working man or women I have voted for Labor in 95% of Federal and State Elections. No more. My vote will surely go to the party who will spend are hard earned taxes on roads, hospitals, border protection in other words wisely.

 

[Spanner in the works]

**cough Four Corners cough**

 

[seaeagle sam]

The best thing about the NBN is by the time it is rolled out morons such as you won't be able to afford it and hereby we will be spared your ill informed comments. And if you can afford to pay for the ultra high speed broadband offered by the NBN than you will be viewing it in the dark because you will surely not be able to pay your electricity bills after the introduction of Julia's carbon tax. For the record am I generally not into politics as such, and from a working background believing Labor governments were supposed to be for the working man or women I have voted for Labor in 95% of Federal and State Elections. No more. My vote will surely go to the party who will spend are hard earned taxes on roads, hospitals, border protection in other words wisely.

The problem with this is, it's dribble. I can afford it now, I can afford my electricity bill. I can afford the Government Bonds paying a 5% return from which the NBN will be paid for and owned by the Australian people and which will be the envy of the world.

What I can't afford is an idiot who thinks they know best when all they have done is attacked a political party and julia gillard over an issue you know little about.

What I REALLY can't afford is to listen to you sprout crap which doesn't belong here.

I think you are looking for the Piers Akerman and Andrew Bolt forums. Please go there.

 

[Kilkenny]

Seriously the average joe should not ignore the potential ramifications of the proposed new poker machine laws. To do so will seriously endangering our game that we love. The clubs have been doing it tough with the smoking laws and general downturn economically without having to deal with these absolutely ridiculous new poker machine laws. Forgetting for a moment the larger clubs such as Panthers etc my son works part time working his way thru University at a small bowling club. If these new laws come into effect he will lose his job, pure and simple. That is the reality, nothing to do with sport. Fans of our game should not be ignorant of what may occur they really need to unite together to stop these proposed laws becoming law. If the rugby league community do not band together to oppose the introduction of these new laws then I truly fear for the future of a game that I love and have supported since 1969 when I moved to Penrith. Problematic gambling is a serious issue and I feel sympathy for those who cannot afford to put food on the table because they feed poker machines. The reality is however, persons such as my dear old 74 old mother who loves the recreational aspect of playing the pokies a couple of time a week will no more. Everyone loses. Ignore these laws at your peril because the long term ramifications are horrific.

 

[mongoose]

What are people doing on the internet that they need this kind of bandwidth? Coming from someone who is involved in rolling out the NBN, it's complete overkill - for residential anyway. Most large enterprises already have fibre optic connections.

 

[VictoryFC]

What are people doing on the internet that they need this kind of bandwidth? Coming from someone who is involved in rolling out the NBN, it's complete overkill - for residential anyway. Most large enterprises already have fibre optic connections.

Streaming video content.

For business, I'm not too versed on the intricacies; for me, it means far more efficient pirating and streaming of video content (not just porn mind). Other than that I agree that the current speeds are quite sufficient.

 

[Kilkenny]

The problem with this is, it's dribble. I can afford it now, I can afford my electricity bill. I can afford the Government Bonds paying a 5% return from which the NBN will be paid for and owned by the Australian people and which will be the envy of the world.

What I can't afford is an idiot who thinks they know best when all they have done is attacked a political party and julia gillard over an issue you know little about.

What I REALLY can't afford is to listen to you sprout crap which doesn't belong here.

I think you are looking for the Piers Akerman and Andrew Bolt forums. Please go there.

Well let's for minute take politics out of the equation and accept Julia Gillard is heading in the right direction.

Leaving the NBN out of the debate and just for a minute contemplate the ramifications of the proposed poker machine laws can you enlighten us all on how you think the changes will benefit the club industry in general and above that how the registered clubs will be able to continue to provide the same level of financial support to charities, junior sport and for the Rugby Leagues Club continue to provide the finances required to ensure the viability of current NRL franchises, particuarly, in Sydney. I must be missing somethere here, particularly, how the proposed changes have originated from an independant MP in Tasmania for goodness sake.

 

[clarency]

kilkenny... I love how you single-handedly refuted your own argument and then reverted to your original point making you look like a genuine bad person.

I call shenanigans. For your own good.

 

[Kilkenny]

kilkenny... I love how you single-handedly refuted your own argument and then reverted to your original point making you look like a genuine bad person.

I call shenanigans. For your own good.

Clarency, please be so educated as to put forward an argument in favour of the proposed new poker machine laws and how they will NOT be detrimental to the game of Rugby League and sport in general. I invite your response on this issue even if I am so wrong on the political issue of the NBN.

 

[clarency]

If made my argument for its justification in the thread made specifically to discuss that issue.

 

[Liddell]

:roll: 7 days to go...

 

[Loudstrat]

Given that just about every financial transaction across the globe is done via the internet, as is almost all importing and exporting, an increasing share of retail, almost all share trading, a huge chunk of education, and the opportunities in the field of medicine with the development of remote surgery, anyone who truly believed that the NBN is a waste of money are more loopy than those backing the Sharks to win the comp.

For Your information, they are doing a trial run in Armidale before they go ahead with the national project. 85% of potential customers have signed up. Sounds like a goer to me.

And Government HAS to fund it. Private Enterprise is never efficient at doing the really big stuff, because it only worries about profit, not service. If Private enterprise was left to roll out the NBN, they would produce a huge fanfare and a massively shiny product that would conk out and cease to exist once it got past Hornsby.

Now lads, NBN discussion has to have a League context, right? Well, hows this for a reason?

We get broadband at NBN speeds, and live streaming of NRL games straight to my laptop. Suddenly, Poxtel/Austar is superceded - as relevent to human society as telegrams, casette players and Liberal Party policy. Pay TV folds worldwide, News Ltd goes bankrupt, and the game is cleansed of the great evil cancer!!!!

Bring it out Julia honey. And don't listen to those right wing f*ckwits, your tits are still better than Abbott's.

 

[Loudstrat]

Clarency, please be so educated as to put forward an argument in favour of the proposed new poker machine laws and how they will NOT be detrimental to the game of Rugby League and sport in general. I invite your response on this issue even if I am so wrong on the political issue of the NBN.

Listen Alan Jones, this thread is ABOUT the NBN - put your obsession with right wing propaganda aside and get back on topic, or f*ck off back to the flat earth society and whinge that Galileo's trial cost taxpayers money.

 

[skeepe]

This is a fairly balanced article from UK based Textio

arn] The National Broadband Network (NBN) has been the darling of the broadband industry since it was given a $43 billion dollar budget and the goal of being a wholesale-only network.
Many major ISPs have supported the fibre-based network for its scope and capacity to end Telstra’s stranglehold over wholesale broadband services. The Labor Party also pushed it as one of its key policies in the lead-up to the election.
On the other hand, the Coalition’s $6 billion wireless-centric plan met strong criticism from much of the industry.
When the Alliance for Affordable Broadband came onto the scene, it shattered the happy family image of a unified ISP industry which favoured Labor’s $43 billion baby.
The group includes AAPT CEO, Paul Broad, Pipe Network founder, Bevan Slattery, and BigAir CEO, Jason Ashton. The rebel ISPs wrote an open letter deriding the current NBN plans and proposed an NBN 3.0 which heavily features wireless technology.
In this ONLINE ONLY interview ARN spoke to Broad about why he think the Labor’s NBN is a waste of money, the need for more transparency and his views on why the NBN will be a step back in time for the telco industry.
Why has it taken so long for the Alliance to enter the NBN debate?
If you follow the public debate, I was probably the first one to go public when the govt announced the NBN.
In fact, I was on a business program on ABC making the valid point that to make the NBN work, you’d probably have to pay twice as much as what you pay today and for our customers they don’t get speeds they particularly want.
I made the point in the early days and have done so pretty consistently right throughout the debate.
Stayed out of the election campaign because I don’t think it’s appropriate for businesses to be entering that debate. That’s for politicians.
But a lot of major ISPs have lauded the NBN…
I think most of the industry recognises there is an enormous amount of capacity in the ground today and one of the reasons we’re coming out is to make it really clear that you can leverage what we have today.
We don’t agree at all that as building of an alternative network should reduce competition.
The benefits to consumers from competition from the last 20 years have been enormous. If we are going to re-monopolise the industry under a Government monopoly – which was what we had 20 years ago before Government started making changes – then it would be a huge backwards step.
What [the Alliance] is saying is there’s a lot of infrastructure in the ground. Leverage what we’ve got.
Yes, we accept and agree on the grand vision of broadband access to everybody. But Just a simple fact: The 2000 schools in NSW are all hooked on fibre today – this was just announced by the state government the other day.
I could be wrong on this, think over 90 per cent of hospitals are already on broadband and I think for us, iiNet and others, our customers in metro areas have access to high speeds on ADSL2+ but 95 per cent of them don’t use the top seeds that are available.
We are just trying to introduce a little bit of reality into the debate. We are arguing the case that multiple forms of technology can deliver what the Government wants for a fraction of the price it’s talking about.
ARN spoke to Big Air’s Jason Ashton (another member of the Alliance) who said wireless growth has skyrocketed in recent years. But could this figure be partially driven by people in certain places that can’t get access to fixed-line services and are forced to take up wireless?
Well, I think you look at the facts. The number of people on fixed broadband is going down. People are getting out of fixed into wireless.
People will trade mobility and convenience for speed.

Crusher, serious question, did you read the article?

How is an interview with the CEO of a wireless Internet company a well-balanced article on cable vs wireless?

I suppose all those espousing the wireless solution have a way of getting round the fact there's not enough spectrum available and preventing the speeds from dropping to extremely slow levels when entire suburbs connect to the same access point?

 

[BigBadWilly]

Fibre is current generation technology and is the fastest transmission medium available. Wireless technology will never achieve the throughput speeds available through fibre optic infrastructure.
Wireless has massive problems with competing wireless spectrum space, not to mention that it doesn’t scale too well. Ever had mobile phone coverage but you couldn’t make/receive a call?
The speeds that are being talked about (i.e. 100Mb/s, but initially more like 20 to 24 Mb/s) are not the maximum speed of the fibre technology. It’s the speed that is thought can be given to subscribers without overloading the back end switching technology and backbone (including international) links. Multi-mode Fibre can easily achieve speeds up to 10 Gigabits per second (10,240 Mb/s), and that’s using current switching technology. There is no way that wireless will even come close to these speeds with a dense population not even with a tower on every corner of every street.
This NBN is fantastic for Australia. Over the one fibre connection into your house you’ll soon be able to get all your TV, phone, internet, pay TV and whatever else comes along in the mean time. There will be bandwidth available in smaller regional centres (where land and workers are cheaper than in the cities) for large multi-nationals to set up call centres, IT Data Centres, whatever that would make use of the available bandwidth.
This NBN will set up Australia’s technological infrastructure for at least the next 100 years. It’s being hailed internationally (in IT communications and infrastructure circles) as an example of how to do right.


As an IT professional, I think this is the right way forward for Australia.