E3 2013

[canberra_raiders2k2]

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MS to make major changes on their policy

Hahaha..

I should have known better..

Well played sir.

 

[jargan83]

Yea I pre ordered one at jb hi fi, I put down more but they only require you to put down $10 to pre order in store. Jack Tretton said in February that first party games would range form $0.99 to $60US so I would assue they would be $60-$100 australian. Watch Dogs is being listed as $109 on the jb website but hopefully were not paying tht much for individual games but I expect games like destiny will retail for more.

I expect most of the prices listed on retail sites here in Oz (EB & Jb Hi Fi) will come down a bit closer to or at launch.

I don't exactly recall what I was paying for games when I first got my PS3 (I got mine 6ish months after the lauch) but I swear it was closer to the $80 - $100 mark

 

[Parra Pride]

Is a possible Gears game as far as real AAA exclusives go.

Do people still get excited at the prospect of another Gears game after Judgement came along and got rid of everything that made the series great?

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Do you have an official statement from microsoft saying you can't play multiplayer? I've seen this written a few times, but it's certainly not on anything microsoft has released or said in interviews from what I can tell. In any case, even if it were true, it's not really any different to the online pass requirement from current gen games. You must be a pretty good magician though, being able to lend a game to someone, yet still play it yourself at the same time.

Online passes mostly extended to EA and their bullshit, you know since they introduced them. You can lend the biggest and most popular online multiplayer game to a friend and let them play online with no fuss and yes I am a magician.

The whole family sharing has been ambiguous from the start. "Share games with 10 of your family" was a great starting tag line but really the shift of focus from gaming in this current gen and especially the next gen is all about online so if there are restrictions at the discretion of either the publisher or Microsoft themselves about online multiplayer then it will be a neat feature but under utilised given there isn't a great range of offline co-op games.

They need to get it out there because I do agree that this could potentially be their best feature by far.

Can you play multiplayer? If not, in what capacity is it reduced?
Can you play multiplayer co-op? If so, can 4 people play together with 2 purchased copies?

Where have I said anything different? Take off your nerd rage hat for a moment, there are plenty of cool ideas they can do if they force the always online upon us in terms of games transfers / loaning / used game marketplace, if they get it right, it's just switched the medium in which things happen. I personally don't use used games, never have. But if this always online allowed me to 'trade in' older games and give me cash credits for something like DLC for another game, then that system would better for me personally than the used game market currently does.

That's a big IF though, at the moment PS4 has the better policy, xbox one has the better launch lineup. So if they come up with something that makes the always online a benefit, then I will consider getting the console early in the piece.

Where did I say you did say that? That's my general statement.

If Microsoft are fair about the trade in prices it could be good. They're doing away with the MS Points but a quick browse on the online market place sees some very unreasonable prices.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Online passes mostly extended to EA and their bullshit, you know since they introduced them. You can lend the biggest and most popular online multiplayer game to a friend and let them play online with no fuss and yes I am a magician.

Really? You can play online, while your friend you lent the game to can also play online or play the game in general?

The whole family sharing has been ambiguous from the start. "Share games with 10 of your family" was a great starting tag line but really the shift of focus from gaming in this current gen and especially the next gen is all about online so if there are restrictions at the discretion of either the publisher or Microsoft themselves about online multiplayer then it will be a neat feature but under utilised given there isn't a great range of offline co-op games.

It hasn't been particularly ambiguous. They've said you can share your game library with 10 'family', of which there needs to be no blood relation and they won't validate it. Numerous microsoft reps have said you can do it with friends. You never lose access to your games and any single person can access your library at a given time. That's one more player that you can share your game with whilst you can still play it.

They need to get it out there because I do agree that this could potentially be their best feature by far.

Can you play multiplayer? If not, in what capacity is it reduced?
Can you play multiplayer co-op? If so, can 4 people play together with 2 purchased copies?

Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend?s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

I don't understand why it needs further clarification. The description is pretty self explanatory. People are simply speculating about multiplayer. To me it seems there are no restrictions other than only one person can access your games at a given time, because the press statement said so. Microsoft's mistake is that they haven't been pushing this feature as hard as they should have. Their PR has been poor, but this sharing feature is infinitely better than what current options there are. If you do it with one friend, you get all your games half price, I couldn't care less about trade ins in that scenario.

Where did I say you did say that? That's my general statement.

If Microsoft are fair about the trade in prices it could be good. They're doing away with the MS Points but a quick browse on the online market place sees some very unreasonable prices.

Considering the console is 5 months away from launch, I wouldn't be relying on current prices as any indicator of what is to come.

As long as the internet rage keeps up, we should see some pretty significant benefits for the platform IMO... None of it is set in stone, and any console manufacturer knows a good launch is pivotal to it's success. The always online can have some pretty cool features as a result, using DRM is not a justification for it however. If they do provide a bunch of services that enhance the platform from a consumer point of view then I don't see the big deal. As an anti-piracy measure it absolutely shouldn't be supported however.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

And now we have a back-pedal, the xbox one will have the exact same drm and used game policy as sony. To be honest, the fact that they're changing policy on a whim gives me more concern about the console.

Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One
By Don Mattrick, President, Interactive Entertainment Business posted June 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

Source: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

 

[user_nat]

I feel like I'm the only person who somewhat liked the old system.

No need for discs to play whilst still having the price options of retail was cool. But I can live with things staying as they have always been.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

I feel like I'm the only person who somewhat liked the old system.

No need for discs to play whilst still having the price options of retail was cool. But I can live with things staying as they have always been.

I love the idea of being able to play straight from the hard drive as well. It's disappointing if they've ditched the sharing idea completely. The biggest problem with the previous model IMO was that 500gb is nowhere near enough if you're installing blu-rays (ie 10-15 games), the region-locking enforced at two separate levels both local and online, and the stupid transfer policy... If they actually improved them, then it would have been a much better solution.

It'd be great if they got to the point where you can download games, and games that are downloaded are shareable but can only ever be played while the borrower is online.

 

[Tommax25]

The inevitable back down. I hope people don't get conned by this. They are acting as if they are a hero for making these changes, they listened to the fans feedback ect. This information would have been easily obtainable if they put any effort in at all, it feels like they made all their decisions in the boardroom without any research into what people want at all. Its either greed or poor decision making and either way I'm staying well away. Damage has been done imo, this gen still belongs to Sony unless they drop the ball massively somehow.

 

[jargan83]

Backdown is great but Microsoft still deserve to be slammed for even contemplating what they were going to go with originally

Sticking with my PS4 pre order

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Really? You can play online, while your friend you lent the game to can also play online or play the game in general?



It hasn't been particularly ambiguous. They've said you can share your game library with 10 'family', of which there needs to be no blood relation and they won't validate it. Numerous microsoft reps have said you can do it with friends. You never lose access to your games and any single person can access your library at a given time. That's one more player that you can share your game with whilst you can still play it.


Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend?s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

I don't understand why it needs further clarification. The description is pretty self explanatory. People are simply speculating about multiplayer. To me it seems there are no restrictions other than only one person can access your games at a given time, because the press statement said so. Microsoft's mistake is that they haven't been pushing this feature as hard as they should have. Their PR has been poor, but this sharing feature is infinitely better than what current options there are. If you do it with one friend, you get all your games half price, I couldn't care less about trade ins in that scenario.


Considering the console is 5 months away from launch, I wouldn't be relying on current prices as any indicator of what is to come.

As long as the internet rage keeps up, we should see some pretty significant benefits for the platform IMO... None of it is set in stone, and any console manufacturer knows a good launch is pivotal to it's success. The always online can have some pretty cool features as a result, using DRM is not a justification for it however. If they do provide a bunch of services that enhance the platform from a consumer point of view then I don't see the big deal. As an anti-piracy measure it absolutely shouldn't be supported however.

All this is irrelevant now

 

[Firey_Dragon]

All this is irrelevant now

I hope not... I hope they find some way to allow game installs and not require the disc anymore, as well as have the family sharing at some point.

But I'll quote this line again anyway ;-)

None of it is set in stone, and any console manufacturer knows a good launch is pivotal to it's success.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

It should all have been optional IMO

Not playing with discs would be handy if I can choose because 500gb eventually wouldn't be enough.

 

[Allstar Knights]

It was a tough choice, but I just pre-ordered an Xbox One from EB Games.

I'll buy the PS4 a few months after.

 

[Springs]

I really don't see the problem with just playing with discs. I'm glad they've got rid of all the bullshit.

If you didn't want a disc couldn't you just buy the game over xbox live and keep it on your hard drive anyway?

This just gives people without internet or with crappy internet the chance to play xbox games.

 

[Dogs Of War]

I feel like I'm the only person who somewhat liked the old system.

No need for discs to play whilst still having the price options of retail was cool. But I can live with things staying as they have always been.

It seems like they will keep that option, just only if you download the game from them. If you go and purchase a disk, you have the option of lending it out, or selling it. Hopefully they work out their is a good price point to make downloading it straight to your console financially better.

I like the extra features of the xbox one, especially given it's only $50 more.

 

[user_nat]

I really don't see the problem with just playing with discs. I'm glad they've got rid of all the bullshit.

If you didn't want a disc couldn't you just buy the game over xbox live and keep it on your hard drive anyway?

This just gives people without internet or with crappy internet the chance to play xbox games.

Problem with buying online is the price and download caps.

If they do manage to get the price competitive I will download everything though. Current Games on Demand prices make me doubt it..