Early tip: Sandow won't see out his contract

[Gary Gutful]

I think the forwards get disheartened. They do all the hard work to get us in good field position, only for Sandow to stuff it up over and over again.

I know when I think of 'hard work' the first thing that comes to mind is our forward pack.

The toughest, hardest working merkins in the comp. We should start calling them all "Hulk Hogan" too with they way they dominate the wrestle!

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I know when I think of 'hard work' the first thing that comes to mind is our forward pack.

The toughest, hardest working merkins in the comp. We should start calling them all "Hulk Hogan" too with they way they dominate the wrestle!

If Sandow could force some repeat sets it would wear the opposition out and we'd be better in the wrestle.
Our forwards wouldn't be as tired.

 

[Gronk]

I said a couple of years ago our biggest problem is we have no one in motion off the ball.
This remains a problem and no half back can look like a star and organise anything without players in motion around him.

Agree. Manly were the perfect template for bodies in motion. Their 6 & 7 were able to use their footwork and from that their passing game to rack up the points.

Sandow does not have a passing game (save perhaps a cut out pass on his RHS).

 

[Gary Gutful]

The Hamster and the Wheel Part 2
Featuring ME as ME

Part 1: Lets Go Fishing

ME: Hmm I see a possible argument where I can fish and get a response. Lets jump on the 'Sandow is shit' bandwagon. Could be funny.

Part 2: ME realises he may have caught something as Gutful responds.

Part 3: Lets reel this f**ker in

ME: F**k yeah, got him right where I need him. Now to just bring it home.

If Sandow could force some repeat sets it would wear the opposition out and we'd be better in the wrestle.
Our forwards wouldn't be as tired.

ME: You are a f**king genius ME.

Part 4: The moment you realise you didn't even catch a cold

You dumb merkin. How can Sandow even force a repeat set when he is kicking the ball from his own 30 m line? Kick a 40-20 every time?

 

[Chipmunk]

If you get dominated in the ruck then you will lose field position and possession. That makes it very hard to get to the other end of the field because your team is tired. It also puts a lot of pressure on the team to make the most of the very few opportunities that you do get in the attacking zone.

If a team dominates the ruck then they dominate field position and have more time with the ball. This means that they have more opportunities to score which means they are more likely to win.

Teams that dominate the ruck win football matches.

Teams with the better halfback often lose matches.

If we fix our efforts in the ruck we will win more matches than we will by dicking around with our halves.

But this doesnt explain when we start with the ball at the oppositions end of the field and we already have the field position why we still appear disorganised and play like a rabble and put on very little structured attack, do nothing with the ball and appear to just make things up tackle by tackle.

I said a couple of years ago our biggest problem is we have no one in motion off the ball.
This remains a problem and no half back can look like a star and organise anything without players in motion around him.

This is another major problem with our attack. Im guessing our players as juniors have played in teams where all a player needed to do was catch the ball, try to run over the top of the opponent, trapple the small poor defending player and score a try. This skill deficiancy is one of the major reasons our team is poor and has been for a number of years

 

[Gary Gutful]

But this doesnt explain when we start with the ball at the oppositions end of the field and we already have the field position why we still appear disorganised and play like a rabble and put on very little structured attack, do nothing with the ball and appear to just make things up tackle by tackle.

Yes it does.

On balance we lose games because we get dominated in the ruck, not because we cant score points.

Do you think we control the ruck well?

 

[Chipmunk]

Yes it does.

On balance we lose games because we get dominated in the ruck, not because we cant score points.

Do you think we control the ruck well?

I have made a number of comments on a number of threads that we have been the worse performing team in being able to control the ruck for MORE THAN A DECADE. It certainly is the major contributing factor why we get beaten most weeks at present.

However, perhaps if we made the most of our opportunities we are given in attack when we are close to the oppositions try line and be able to score more points when they are on offer then we can potentially mitigate our disgraceful control of the ruck and other issues we are poor at.

You would think that if we cannot control the ruck and it is very much a work in progress, then you would think that a team would concentrate on making the most of their opportunities when they are presented to them. At the moment not only are we the worse team at controlling the ruck, we are also one of the worst teams, if not the worst, at coming up with something resembling an attack that is going to get a result when we are inside the oppositions 20 metre area. In my opinion we are either not working on this at training or the players on the field are incapabable of executing the plays.

At the end of the day we only lose games because we dont score more points than our opponents. There are a multitude of reasons why those points are not scored. Infact show me a team in the history of rugby league who has lost a game where they have scored more points than their oponents have???

 

[eel01s]

No we don't, but regardless I am sick of seeing Hayne (when he was playing) or Sandow tackled on the 5th. That shows zero thought process about what is coming next.

We have no thought or structure when we do have good field position. Remember Hindy taking settlers on the 5th over the last couple of years? Our options seem to be limited to:

1) Our one sweeping move that involves the telegraphed decoy runner and ending up with a winger
2) the across field chip
3) Some idiot having no idea why he has the ball and dying with it
4) an ineffective grubber that goes 10m past the dead ball line.

What do we do at training???

 

[Gary Gutful]

I have made a number of comments on a number of threads that we have been the worse performing team in being able to control the ruck for MORE THAN A DECADE. It certainly is the major contributing factor why we get beaten most weeks at present.

I agree mate - it is undoubtedly our biggest issue. If we fix it we automatically become more competitive in every game and would most likely win more!

In my mind this is where we first need to focus the majority of our efforts as it is our biggest issue. Once we have fixed it we may find that our ability to finish sets is less of an issue than we thought because our attack isn't under so much pressure. It is only really when we become competitive in the ruck that we will truly know the extent of our attacking issues.

If we can fix the ruck then I also think Norman will help a lot with our attack next year.

 

[Chipmunk]

I agree mate - it is undoubtedly our biggest issue. If we fix it we automatically become more competitive in every game and would most likely win more!

In my mind this is where we first need to focus the majority of our efforts as it is our biggest issue. Once we have fixed it we may find that our ability to finish sets is less of an issue than we thought because our attack isn't under so much pressure. It is only really when we become competitive in the ruck that we will truly know the extent of our attacking issues.

If we can fix the ruck then I also think Norman will help a lot with our attack next year.

I am of the firm belief that 90% of our current squad are not capable of winning the ruck area and until we have replaced 90% of our current squad we are going to continue to be rubbish.

Our work around the ruck area is not getting any better, if any thing it is getting worse.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Hahaha Gary. You're a funny bastard!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We both spend the same amount on players don't we.

The salary cap rules and interpretations in their current form do not even out the talent.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-subterfuge-20130709-2pomf.html#ixzz2YhVPzihK

 

[Twizzle]

How did Sterling shine despite our forwards being dominated from 1987 until his eventual retirement ?

for a little bloke he defended OK and never gave up

in the end it cost him his retirement as his shoulder was f**ked and he just couldn't tackle any more so he retired mid season

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Just a typical thing you would say. Paul Langmack has also been involved in coaching. Maybe we should ask him.

Warren Ryan said Langmack is the smartest footballer he ever coached. If Langmack failed at coaching it's because he doesn't have the personality - like Jason Taylor, who is also smart.

So yeah, go and ask Langmack. There's a reason he was able to get into coaching in the first place. Or do you think every ex-player who wants to coach can get a start?

You are obviously intimating that Tallis must know more than Sterlo (I doubt it but anyway especially when the topic is about halfbacks) even though it is obvious that Tallis sincerely asks Sterling what about when forwards are getting dominated and Sterling states words to the effect of you still have to get involved et al. Which Sandow does not. I have said on a number of occasions you are the biggest f**kwit that has ever graced these pages. You are unrivaled. The champion of champions.

You need to grow up mate. If you can't handle someone having a different opinion than you, maybe the internet isn't a suitable hobby.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How did Sterling shine despite our forwards being dominated from 1987 until his eventual retirement ?

The game was much slower back then, and playmakers had plenty more time to execute.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

In those instances, can Sandow do anything other than get in ask for the ball and tell the forwards to do their job (i.e "bark orders")? If not, then that just sounds like another way of saying that our forwards aren't doing the job but blaming the wrong guy for it!

This.

Sandow is just another scapegoat, and idiots love scapegoats because it makes problems appear easier to solve when they can point at a single cause.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you get dominated in the ruck then you will lose field position and possession. That makes it very hard to get to the other end of the field because your team is tired. It also puts a lot of pressure on the team to make the most of the very few opportunities that you do get in the attacking zone.

If a team dominates the ruck then they dominate field position and have more time with the ball. This means that they have more opportunities to score which means they are more likely to win.

Teams that dominate the ruck win football matches.

Teams with the better halfback often lose matches.

If we fix our efforts in the ruck we will win more matches than we will by dicking around with our halves.

And getting repeat sets involves a grubber into the in-goal, which is easy when your forwards are sucking defenders in and getting quick play-the-balls. We rarely get this, especially from our edge forwards (which is the key position close to the tryline). No matter where we are on the field our halves have no time with the ball and no space to place it for their chasers/supports.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think the forwards get disheartened. They do all the hard work to get us in good field position, only for Sandow to stuff it up over and over again.

I think the whole team gets disheartened because they're weak as piss, and there are no leaders to threaten to f**ken bash them if they don't switch on.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-subterfuge-20130709-2pomf.html#ixzz2YhVPzihK

Thanks for the article. I don't get what he's saying but.

 

[Someone]

we all know the issue at hand isnt easy to solve, and sandow isnt that one and only issue.

Doesnt mean he isnt part of the problem. Its a big circle of shit that starts with a forward pack that cant dominate the ruck, and cant be replaced because of no depth.

Sandow might as well be playing in the NSW cup, with a forward pack that can most likely match it with other teams. This will help him get his confidence back up.