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Early tip: Sandow won't see out his contract

EelsFan05

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Please listen to Sterlo re: Sandow. He states that if 'If the game is not coming to you as a halfback you have to go to the game and grab it by the scruff off the neck."
He states that Chris has had little involvement. We haven't seen that with Sandow. Tallis then asks the old chestnut about forwards being dominated etc.

Listen to what he says. He is the expert not Pou, not me, nobody here.

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/shows/rush-hour/podcast/

Pou will tell you that Sterlo is old and that he comments are from the 1980's coaching manual. Then he will tell you be watches games on TV so that he can hear what the experts have to say. As long as they agree with him of course.
 
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strider

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Please listen to Sterlo re: Sandow. He states that if 'If the game is not coming to you as a halfback you have to go to the game and grab it by the scruff off the neck."

He states that Chris has had little involvement. We haven't seen that with Sandow. Tallis then asks the old chestnut about forwards being dominated etc.

Listen to what he says. He is the expert not Pou, not me, nobody here.

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/shows/rush-hour/podcast/

Click 9 July, First 8 minutes or so

yeah but i don't know if sterlo watches enough games on tv mate - so can't be that good a judge

;-)
 

Avenger

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yeah but i don't know if sterlo watches enough games on tv mate - so can't be that good a judge

;-)

I loved it when Sterlo said, "You just can't defend out on the wing and then just make a cameo on the 5th tackle kick it but not get involved earlier.:lol:

Sandow is a waste of space and a waste of whatever money he is on.

Piss him off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Chipmunk

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I loved it when Sterlo said, "You just can't defend out on the wing and then just make a cameo on the 5th tackle kick it but not get involved earlier.:lol:

Sandow is a waste of space and a waste of whatever money he is on.

Piss him off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah I heard that on there, interesting observation.

Well Luke Kelly now has an opportunity out of it all. We will see if he can walk the walk so to speak. Im not sure having Ben Roberts there is a hinderance or a help.
 

Ron Jeremy

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i have to disgagree with yopu avenger, i really believe this is a ploy of stuarts, seen it before whilst at the sharks and roosters, i still think sandow is the least of our problems, but stuart will make him an example to deflect attention and make him the talking point - just trust me on this.
 

Chipmunk

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Can someone answer me one question.

When the other 15 teams in the NRL start there set of six 30 metres out from the oppositions tryline that they tend to put on some kind of play and at least attempt a couple of attacks on the tryline and finish it off with an attacking kick across field or an attempt to get another set of six by trapping their opposition.

Yet when we are in the same position we have nothing to offer at all and generally appear to just make it up tackle by tackle.

Who's fault is this??? Surely this team practices this at training?
 

Poupou Escobar

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Please listen to Sterlo re: Sandow. He states that if 'If the game is not coming to you as a halfback you have to go to the game and grab it by the scruff off the neck."

He states that Chris has had little involvement. We haven't seen that with Sandow.

Involvement hey? Must be what he's been asked to work on in his stint in reserve grade.

It should help playing behind a (relatively) stronger pack.

Did Sterlo say Chris didn't know how to organise? Probably not hey?

Tallis then asks the old chestnut about forwards being dominated etc.

It's a fair question, isn't it? What did Sterlo say?

Listen to what he says. He is the expert not Pou, not me, nobody here.

And all he said was that Sandow wasn't involved enough? Did he answer Tallis when he asked about Sandow's forwards being dominated?

Remember, of the two of them, Tallis is the only one who has been involved in coaching.


No need, mate. I trust you've told the truth.
 

Poupou Escobar

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I loved it when Sterlo said, "You just can't defend out on the wing and then just make a cameo on the 5th tackle kick it but not get involved earlier.:lol:

Sandow is a waste of space and a waste of whatever money he is on.

Piss him off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or maybe he just needs to get more involved, like Sterlo said.

He was plenty involved at Souths. But there's no point the halfback getting the ball when nothing's on.

A first receiver run at a set defensive line is called a 'hit up'. Should Sandow be making more hit ups, you reckon?
 

Poupou Escobar

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i still think sandow is the least of our problems

f**ken oath. We conceded 50 points on the weekend. Three of our guys missed more tackles than Sandow and two of those attempted less tackles as well.

Sandow also missed less tackles than Cherry-Evans. The difference was DCE missed all his tackles while his team was moving forward so it was easier for his inside defenders to cover for him.
 

Someone

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you can brush me down with excuses and talk stats all you want.

I dont rate Sandow. I will , however, ultimately judge him after 5 rounds next year when he has some games under his belt pairing with Norman, and hopefully a fully fit team with a slightly better forward pack. He needs to be consistent, but he hasnt had a real 5/8 play outside of him the whole time hes been at Parramatta. He cant do it all on his own.

Like Stuart, he deserves time to prove himself.

The problem is im not entirely sure there is a 'organiser/cooler/brain cell' in either Norman or Sandow. And by that, i mean the type of composed player that can deliver a repeat set when we need it. You need someone in the halves with brains.
 

Chipmunk

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So looking at these Missed tackles more closely
Gillett- missed 57 tackles of a total of 526 attempted - 10.8% missed tackle rate
A Kelly- missed 56 tackles of a total of 353 attempted – 15.8% missed tackle rate
Thurston- missed 49 tackles of a total of 222 attempted - 22.1% missed tackle rate
Sims- missed 47 tackles of a total of 380 attempted – 12.3% missed tackle rate

and our contribution
Sandow- missed 54 tackles of a total of 226 attempted – 23.9% missed tackle rate

I think Gillett and Sims can both be given a bit of slack given the total tackles they attempt compared to the number of missed and in a lot of ways Albert Kelly stats are actually pretty good, in both attempted and missed tackle rate.

Thurston is obviously a bit ordinary, but when you can control a game and set up the play like Thurston can then I think you can afford to cover his defensive deficiancies.

If Sandow was as good as Thurston I would say we could excuse his defensive deficiancies, but until Sandow can provide what Thurston does for his team most of the time then I dont think we can have a half who misses close to 25% of the all tackles they attempt.

A look at all the other halves/five-eighth in the NRL the only other player that is anywhere near Thurston and Sandow for missed tackle percentage is Benji Marshall, but even his is lower than both of them.
 
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Bandwagon

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you can brush me down with excuses and talk stats all you want.

I dont rate Sandow. I will , however, ultimately judge him after 5 rounds next year when he has some games under his belt pairing with Norman, and hopefully a fully fit team with a slightly better forward pack. He needs to be consistent, but he hasnt had a real 5/8 play outside of him the whole time hes been at Parramatta. He cant do it all on his own.

Like Stuart, he deserves time to prove himself.

The problem is im not entirely sure there is a 'organiser/cooler/brain cell' in either Norman or Sandow. And by that, i mean the type of composed player that can deliver a repeat set when we need it. You need someone in the halves with brains.

Yep, Sandow in a nutshell, he is simply a dumb footballer, plenty of skill, but no brain. To be fair, at the moment he is surrounded by dumb footballers, but I think he makes them look even dumber than they are.

Natural ability has got him to where he is, and on his day he'll make those few plays that can make you stand up and take notice of his skill, but look beyond that and there's just nothing there of substance. Either everyone on the field ( including the defence ) knows exactly what he's going to do, or know one know's, including every single player in our squad.

He can not craft a set in attack, when he does get involved in a set you can near guarantee he'll run across the field, waving his hand behind his arse like he's just dropped one, telegraphing to the defence an inside runner is going to get the ball at least two to three times, then either go for the miracle play, or as it has been of late, simply put in a poor kick, or find himself taking the fith tackle effectively taking himself out of the play on the last.

Add to that, as he has shown us many a time, when things aren't going his way he can just be a lazy merkin, which is what Sterlo was basically saying.

The difference between Souths with Reynolds and Souths with Sandow is simply that Reynolds is a far smarter footballer, he constantly makes the right decisions in attack, and executes those decisions consistently well, with Sandow they had none of this, yet had a fairly decent squad, that to a point could make up for his shortcomings, and capitalise on his occasional individual brilliance.
 

Avenger

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Remember, of the two of them, Tallis is the only one who has been involved in coaching.
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Just a typical thing you would say. Paul Langmack has also been involved in coaching. Maybe we should ask him. You are obviously intimating that Tallis must know more than Sterlo (I doubt it but anyway especially when the topic is about halfbacks) even though it is obvious that Tallis sincerely asks Sterling what about when forwards are getting dominated and Sterling states words to the effect of you still have to get involved et al. Which Sandow does not. I have said on a number of occasions you are the biggest f**kwit that has ever graced these pages. You are unrivaled. The champion of champions.
 
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