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Eddie is gone - ARU official

skeepe

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lockyno1 said:
So what if he is a Kiwi! You do realise the current NZ coach is WELSH! Get the best man for the job who cares what country he is from! And provided that is not Eddie Jones I don't care who gets the job!

After that little effort I must conclude your Jones hatred is clouded by just how little you know of the game. Whatever the mainstream press write, you'll concur I'll bet. It comes as no surprise whatsoever that it is only Sydney press calling for Jones' head. They have always hated him and Gregan, being from that little upstart place known as the ACT who have managed to show up NSW time and time again.

If Jones was an ex-Waratahs coach the entire Sydney media would be howling for his retention.
 

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Te Kaha said:
...er... no hes not.. Henry was born in Chch... he and hanson may have coached Wales but the are both Kiwis.

Sorry my honest mistake. There are others around the world though if I am not inccorect. I am all for selecting an Australian coach and considering that Jones just sucks we need a coach that could possibly win a World Cup. Now Ewen McKensie will be good but I have my doubts whether he can win a world cup within 2 years. Mitchell is proven at test level and is a short term option that is the way I will go. Pick the best man for the job. Simple.
 

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skeepe said:
After that little effort I must conclude your Jones hatred is clouded by just how little you know of the game. Whatever the mainstream press write, you'll concur I'll bet. It comes as no surprise whatsoever that it is only Sydney press calling for Jones' head. They have always hated him and Gregan, being from that little upstart place known as the ACT who have managed to show up NSW time and time again.

If Jones was an ex-Waratahs coach the entire Sydney media would be howling for his retention.

No my hatred of Jones is his abysmal away record! He lost to Wales FFS! And Gregans boring inside balls to forwards who get smashed every time are outdated. They may have worked when Cockbain, Eales, Finegan, Kefu were in the squad but they don't anymore. Blind freddy can see our strength is outwide. Get a halfback who can pass it quicky. Whitaker, Valentine or Henjak pass it quicker than Gregan so his time is up! He should have retired after the 2003 World Cup so I have no sympathy for him being sacked!
 
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What does Rod Macqueen do now? You never hear talk of him coming back. What about him as an assistant to someone, the way the ABs have a former head coach assisting? Or is Macqueen too old, and retired for good?
 

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well when eddie jones was first put in as coach i thought he would be good because he did well with the brumbies so its nothing about petty state jealousies, its the fact that eddie has lost eight tests this season. whats worse, he didnt try anything to stop losing since he kept picking the same forwards, leaving georgie out of it for the moment. i wouldnt blame gregan for the losses but he contributed to them, just like everyone else.
 

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Gregan is 32 years old, he's not going to get any better, and Jones has no idea.
Its all a consipracy
 

aussies1st

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I hope we get this sorted soon. Whole heap of rumours floating around in the media now.
 

blackfriday

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if any of you read one of the greg growden articles yesterday, he recounts greg smith coming home from south africa after a 61-22 loss walking around the airport at perth asking senior players for their support, while players were doing their best to avoid him. im not sure about media training these days, but so many of these players are defending eddie jones along with ex-players and coaches. i get this horrible feeling that everyone is so deluded that eddie can do the job at the 2007 world cup.
 

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I get this horrible feeling that you're so deluded that you think whatever 2 Sydney rugby writers (Growden and Jenkins, who have had a grudge against Jones and Gregan for years) write is gospel.
 

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Jones' record speak for itself. Since the Tri Nations he has only got 1 win and that was agaisnt Ireland. He hasn't brought as any trophies since he took over. Infact hes lost all of the trophies since taking over.
 

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yeh you are right. when mcqueen left australia was tri-nations, world cup and bledisloe cup champions, as well as conqueror of all the northern hemisphere teams (but no grand slam i think). now we have nothing, but of course good 'ole eddie will point out we thrashed the garangtuan might of italy and samoa. maybe we should only play small pacific islands without running water from now on.
 

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The Australian Rugby Union will today announce Jones has coached his last game, with his autocratic style a major factor in the decision to sack him.

Jones had been under intense pressure to retain his job after the Wallabies lost eight of their past nine Tests.

He was hoping to present his case to the ARU board next week, but overseas sources have told The Australian that the union has already decided to release him from his contract, which runs through to the 2007 World Cup in France.

ARU chief executive Gary Flowers was involved in a series of late-night meetings at the governing body's North Sydney headquarters.

Jones has agreed to a settlement for the remainder of his contract. He is almost certain to continue his international career coaching the Japanese national team.

NSW Waratahs' coach Ewen McKenzie is regarded as the front-runner to replace Jones, although Auckland Blues coach David Nucifora and former Queensland Reds coach John Connolly have also expressed interest in the job.

Earlier it had been rumoured that Jones had approached Western Force and former All Blacks' coach John Mitchell to assist him with the Wallabies, perhaps to guide the pack which was outplayed in the set-piece on the European tour.

But Force officials denied there had been any contact between Jones and Mitchell, who is contracted to the Super 14 expansion team for the next three years.

Jones, who succeeded 1999 World Cup winning coach Rod Macqueen in mid-2001, had a 33-23-1 win-loss-draw record at the helm.

But there were concerns about the Wallabies' poor record against fellow top five opposition, winning only 14 of 36 Tests against major powers England, France, New Zealand and South Africa.

Australia's away record was especially bad against the leading teams, winning just two of 18 Tests.

The highlight of Jones' career was plotting an upset win against New Zealand in a semi-final of the 2003 World Cup in Sydney.

The Wallabies lost to England 20-17 in extra-time in the final.

Jones's departure is almost certain to draw the curtain on the career of Wallabies' captain George Gregan, who is one Test short of breaking former England prop Jason Leonard's world record of 118 caps.

As much as the Wallabies' appalling win-loss record this season Jones's style was the reason for his downfall.

ARU board members have been dismayed by the constant turnover of assistant coaches who have sighted his autocratic style as stiffling and the main reason for their departures.

Former Australia coach Alan Jones yesterday launched another stinging attack on Eddie Jones, saying the players are terrified of speaking out against him and it is wrong to assume he has the support of the team.

While Eddie Jones has so far enjoyed nothing but positive public comment from those underneath him, Alan Jones believes it's an illusion.

"Eddie Jones is the paymaster," Alan Jones said yesterday.

"The team are terrified that if he stays on, and if they dare criticise him now, their income is finished. So players are in an impossible position.

"Players are frightened to speak out against him. Staff have walked out."

Wallabies players were quick to jump to the defence of Jones on their return to Australia on Monday, fullback Chris Latham and winger Drew Mitchell particularly staunch in their support of their embattled coach.

But according to Alan Jones it's too little too late after Eddie Jones said he wasn't concerned about ARU's performance review.

"I think that Eddie Jones' comment that he's unconcerned is a manifestation of the arrogance that has dominated his role as head coach," said Alan Jones who was sacked after an unsuccessful tour to Argentina in 1987.

"If Eddie Jones is a half responsible national coach, he should be unbelievably concerned about the damage that has been done to Australian Rugby.

"He says he has taken responsibility for the results. Well, a person with any honour would resign.

"I don't know why a head coach is needed if we have to have a forwards coach, a backs coach, a kicking coach, a skills coach, a technical coach," Alan Jones said.

"What on earth does this man do for the money he is paid?

"We have outstanding players. We are smack bang in the middle of a leadership that can't adjust to the modern demands; a leadership that can't co-ordinate the team to meet the challenge offered on the other side."

Additional reporting: AAP

The Australian

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,17434951-23217,00.html


At last Jones is going to get shown the door. Replacement coaches no surpises although Mitchell has been ruled out.
 

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I'll believe it when I hear confirmation, but if true it would be a terrible shame. It's no surprise they've gone to Mr. Rent-A-Quote Alan Jones over this story - Jones has had a vendetta against Eddie since he was appointed.
 

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Heh, one year ago critics were calling for Mckenzie's head because the Waratahs were "chokers."

Anyway I think John Mitchell would be a better candidate but we all know that won't happen...
 

blackfriday

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for those who like to rubbish alan jones as a shock jock, i agree. but has eddie won a grand slam?

i dont think mckenzie is the man, give him a bit more time at super 14 level. david nucifora does not have the respect of the senior brumbies men, and therefore wont get respect in the wallabies camp. john mitchell is a good coach and the ABs were really the dominant team of 2003 until their semi-final loss, but i would still like an australian to be the coach.
 
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Eddie has signed on as a consultant or director with English club Saracens. I read on bbc.com where they won their next game and credited Eddie with making a difference in club attitude and atmosphere.

Good for Eddie.

Saracens boss Mike Ford:
"Eddie Jones being here has helped. There has been a marked improvement and there has been an edge in training.
"There's been an increase in focus and Eddie has helped that along. With someone as influential and as world class as Eddie, people hang on to every word he says.

"He made one or two pointers before, during and after the game so he is going to be fantastic for Saracens."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/english/4775748.stm
 

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