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Eden Park or new waterfront stadium?

Timbo

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Typical bloody NZ though-If Waterfront goes ahead (which it jolly well should) it will also be the venue for cricket one dayers.

So you'll have another cake-tin: A venue which is round for the sake of two days a year.

With Auckland cricket relocating to North Harbour Stadium's cricket oval it strikes me as the likely location for test matches. But why not just scale back Eden and keep it for cricket?

It'd make too much sense, thats why...
 

gunnamatta bay

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Interesting comments regarding the plan for the giant 'bedpan'. Stuff the cancer patients!


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3853256a9414,00.html




Bloody great isn't it? Those over-paid, under worked fools in government are going to waste more tax payers' money, so a few people can grunt and run around a tin can with a rugby ball, that will be underwater as the sea levels rise. God forbid the money should go where it is really needed; health care, education, police. Na, let's build a new ugly tin can in Auckland so we can continue to send cancer patients over to Aussie for treatment.
Sorry New Zealand, no money for tax cuts, no extra money for those in extreme pain being bumped off the hospital waiting list, no extra money for education or police, because we are going to waste it giving politicians pay rises they shouldn't get and building a new ugly piece of crap for the Rugby World Cup.
Richard James
 

gunnamatta bay

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Father Dougal McGuire said:
I can't help but notice that the Herald has jumped on the anti-stadium bandwagon.

Yep it obviously a conspiracy by the NZ (Eden Park supportgroup) Herald to upset the plans for the bedpan. Personally I think 'bedpan' is too complimentary. It looks more like a giant tyre painted white and dumped on it's side in front of the city waterfront.
 

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gunnamatta bay said:
Interesting comments regarding the plan for the giant 'bedpan'. Stuff the cancer patients!


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3853256a9414,00.html




Bloody great isn't it? Those over-paid, under worked fools in government are going to waste more tax payers' money, so a few people can grunt and run around a tin can with a rugby ball, that will be underwater as the sea levels rise. God forbid the money should go where it is really needed; health care, education, police. Na, let's build a new ugly tin can in Auckland so we can continue to send cancer patients over to Aussie for treatment.
Sorry New Zealand, no money for tax cuts, no extra money for those in extreme pain being bumped off the hospital waiting list, no extra money for education or police, because we are going to waste it giving politicians pay rises they shouldn't get and building a new ugly piece of crap for the Rugby World Cup.
Richard James

How much money did Australia spend on the Sydney Olympic Precinct? I'll bet that would have paid for a fair few hospital beds.....
 

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But we didnt have to send our cancer patients overseas for treatment spacey.

Greedy rugby officials and their corrupt political lackies have no regard for the suffering of their fellow countrymen forced to travel for hours to Sydney to receive vital lifesaving medical treatment. Shame on you Helen Clarke.
 

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Cancer patients will now be forced to pay extra for a lift to the airport. Is there no end to this nightmare?:




http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10411049




Stadium 'would increase cost of imported cars'

11.40am Thursday November 16, 2006

The cost of used cars would jump by several hundred dollars if the proposed Auckland waterfront stadium goes ahead, the motor industry said today.

The proposed stadium would "massively disrupt" the flow of imported vehicles into Auckland port, said the chief executives of the Independent Motor Vehicle Dealers Association and the Motor Industry Association said in a joint statement.

"Car buyers could expect to pay hundreds of dollars more a vehicle if the waterfront stadium proceeds, because of the disruption to the trade and increased transport costs. It will probably also result in delays for buyers," the statement said.

>> Mallard back in town for stadium sales pitch
>> Dollars, not time, the issue
>> Ships could be forced to other ports
>> Waterfront 'won't get big rock concerts'
>> Would the big names come to a waterfront stadium?

In a typical year, around 150,000 new and used vehicles were discharged onto wharves at Ports of Auckland for processing by the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry, before being trucked to a compliance workshop or new vehicle storage facility.

"Usually, the vehicles only stay on the wharves for a short time but in some cases, where extra cleaning is required, it can be up to five days," the statement said. "The wharf space is essential for the vehicle imports and good biosecurity practice."

The CEOs said if the stadium went ahead, the wharves would be unavailable for vehicle imports once piling started in May.

They said: "We cannot see how car imports can be imported at current volumes through the Ports of Auckland during the construction phase of the stadium, and possibly not even afterwards."

Importers and shipping lines would have to consider other options such North Port near the Marsden Point refinery and the Port of Tauranga.

- NZPA
 

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Bwahahaha, of course the motor industry are going to say theat, it's their ugly f**king car yard that's going to get moved. Cry me a river.
Nice trolling though GB....
 

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Carlaw Park is a complete f**k no.



I'd also rather a giant bedpan downtown than the ports, aesthetically anyway.
 

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Carlaw Park is actually a pretty decent location, handy to the city in a non-residential area that's a little bit of a backwater currently but which could easily be turned into a sports precenct with the addition of a top stadium. It's close to the trains, buses and motorways. However you can says all of the above about a waterfront stadium, and it would be more of a visual landmark (the people who moan about "bedpans" can f**k right off, they're the types who complain about anything new being buit). The only reason I'd go for the Carlaw Park option would be if a stadium of similar quality to that which could be built on the waterfront could be built for there at least $150M less. Given that any development there would require substantial excavation, massive work to recitfy the Carlaw Park site's drainage problems (half the run-off from the domain drains into it) and lots of work around the area, I can't see it being much cheaper.
 

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i didnt realise it but carlaw and the domain are linked by underground tunnels.

harbour ceo is trying to push for the nth harbour stadium which, if you think about it, is really the most logical choice with regard to transport, parking etc.
 

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ozbash said:
i didnt realise it but carlaw and the domain are linked by underground tunnels.

harbour ceo is trying to push for the nth harbour stadium which, if you think about it, is really the most logical choice with regard to transport, parking etc.

Disagree about Harbour being ideal from a transport persective, it's stuck right at the north end of the city so all the traffic is coming from the same direction except for people who're coming from the Hibiscus coast or Northland. Plus there's no rail transport link, and any 50,000+ capacity stadium really needs to have a good mass transit link into it.
The actual stadium site's pretty good but at the end of the day it's still going to be a patched-up park instead of a whole new park, which never produces as good a result in my opinion. The main stand only holds 12,000 so to bring it up to required capacity for the WC final it would have to be boosted by at least 45,000, which would result in a pretty lopsided looking park, I doubt you could fit more than 7-8k behind each goal line even if you built new stands on the embankments there meaning that a new stand on the western side would need to have a capacity of at least 30,000. You'd end up with something like a modern version of Athletic Park, which while doubtlesxs a great place to watch rugby on a nice day, was hardly state of the art.
 

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North Harbour Stadium remains the logical option for a national stadium to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup, says Enterprise North Shore Trust Chairman, Ian Watson. This is in light of the government’s announcement on Friday, indicating a preference for a new Waterfront Stadium.

“When one considers the economic importance of the Rugby World Cup and then looks at the extraordinary levels of uncertainty over the availability of land on the Waterfront, the cost of reinforcing the area, the extreme difficulty and the complexity of the design and build, let alone the technical requirements for an adequate playing surface, it is hard to see why Government has plumped for the Waterfront. We encourage Government and Auckland to think again about the potential of the multi-use North Harbour Stadium as host of the Rugby World Cup,” says Ian Watson.

Sitting on 28 hectares of land, North Harbour Stadium in Albany is built and zoned for expansion, making it a low risk and cost effective option. It will cost $226 million to increase its capacity to 60,000, including corporate box and VIP requirements. North Harbour Stadium has the benefit of two major roading investments by the Government. The Northern busway will be completed next year and the southern and western motorway extensions mean that spectators travelling to an event at North Harbour Stadium from the south, the airport or western suburbs have a second motorway option.

“Plans are being implemented for major retail, hospitality and business expansion that encircle the Stadium and other sports facilities”, explains Mr Watson. “North Harbour Stadium has the resource consents it requires for expansion – it doesn’t require Government to overrule its own resource management regulations, nor does it need to buy new land. It doesn’t require the facilitative and consultative approach that normally would be expected for development of a brand new stadium in the CBD. All this work has been done. North Harbour will deliver a fantastic Rugby World Cup.”

North Harbour Stadium regularly hosts international events for football, rugby league and rugby union, on behalf of FIFA, ARL and NRL teams, NZRL and the NZRFU. Its rectangular field makes it extremely popular with spectators, who are only metres from the playing surface. It regularly wins the right to host large outdoor music events – from Pavarotti’s Farewell tour, to pop and rock concerts as well as extreme motor sports. Its function facilities are the busiest of its type in New Zealand.

“It all comes down to economics and meeting the criteria of a sustainable stadium and function facility, anticipated within the Government and the NZRFU’s bid to the IRB to host the Rugby World Cup. The North Harbour Stadium proposal is the least expensive Auckland option and has minimal obstacles for resource consent in its way. For these reasons alone, North Harbour Stadium should be the Government’s and Auckland’s first choice to meet the obligations New Zealand accepted to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup.”

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Statement from David Thornton

North Harbour – the undeniable case for new stadium for Rugby World Cup and beyond.

And without the risk of needing ratepayer funding.

And North Harbour is listed by Government as ‘fall back’ option to Eden Park.

With the Waterfront option now becoming increasing unacceptable the attention will swing back to Eden Park.

But the arguments against Eden Park - which prompted the investigation into the waterfront option - remain firmly in place.

- It is limited in terms of usage compared to either Waterfront or North Harbour

- It has severe congestion potential – and the $43 million proposed for rail access upgrade will not alter that to any great degree

- It will require substantial ratepayer funding

- Auckland could be tied up forever in arguments between Auckland City Council which wants to be top dog in the region – and the ARC, which also wants to be top dog,

Ministers Mallard and Cullen appear to have said if ‘Auckland’ cannot agree on either Waterfront or Eden Park the main stadium for RWC 2011 will be Jade Stadium Christchurch.

However his review team in fact nominated North Harbour as a ‘fall back’ option. This is revealed in the ‘Stadium Comparison’ paper released last Friday.

With no Waterfront, North Harbour becomes the option to Eden Park.

North Harbour has none of these problems.

- North Harbour has no insurmountable Resource Management problems – mainly amending current consents so increase seating limits from 45,000 to 60,000.

- North Harbour has excellent bus and traffic access – including busway from the south, the first section of Western Ring Route will have been completed, northern motorway will be open from Puhoi. And plenty of parking.

No train – but, over time, the new busway has been designed for conversion to light rail.

- Bus transport is 12 minutes to Britomart and Viaduct. [Closer than Homebush to Darling Harbour by train]

- No residential neighbours – in the centre of a developing commercial centre which may have some mixed limited residential/commercial in one area.

- Unfettered access during construction. Available for 7 days a week construction.

- Cheapest to build at approx $250million.

- Govt has $200 million available for waterfront option which should be transferred to North Harbour.

- This means the balance could be raised without rates or other taxes.

Only possible drawback – pro- waterfront people claim their site has restaurants or hotels immediately available..

Just look at Stadium Australia and at newly expanded Twickenham.

How far are they from hotels and restaurants?

ENDS

[NOTE. David Thornton is a former - North Shore City Councillor, Glenfield Community Board Member, member of Auckland Regional Land Transport Committee]
 

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Father Dougal McGuire said:
I'll vote for anyone who bulldozes Eden Park.


Geez its a sh*thole.

Yup, second that. Auckland has too many stadiums, problem is it only has one really good one (Mt Smart). Mt Smart can stay as a mid-sized footy park for the south side, as can Harbour for the north. Eden Park can f**k off and make way for something decent in the CBD. The only question is where to for cricket, I don;'t really want to see the new park be a full oval just for a coupleof one-dayers a year where they'll need the capacity.
 

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