Eels Next Coach

[King-Gutho94]

I want him gone but I feel for our next coach, squad will be weaker and can't see any highly talented juniors pushing close to NRL.
2pa throws lets see what happens in the next 5 weeks. BA may release his secret moves.

I don't think we have a horrible squad for a new coach to take over though.

We still have a strong enough neucles to work with and drive culture.

I am sure if you gave a potential new coach the option of Tigers, Warriors, Knights, Eels.

He would rather parra then the other 3.

 

[JokerEel]

I think our biggest issue is that there is very little football knowledge at the club outside of BA and MON. No one else in the administration of that club above them has any more knowledge of the sport than the everyday fan on this forum really does. That is a fact. If they're taking all of their football advice on the sport from BA and MON, then why would they know any different. The Board, CEO and other Management haven't been appointed for their knowledge of the game.

Wasn't this what Ikin found when he took over as CEO of the Broncos? Not enough football knowledge at the club. He has fixed that now and look how well they have gone this season.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Have we had much improvement in recent years?
2017 - 4th
2018 - 16th
2019 - 5th
2020 - 3rd
2021 - 6th
2022 - 7th (currently)
And never gone past week 2 in the finals. I’d say we have plateaued in recent years with a bias towards regression.

I did also say that they'd be slightly concerned that we haven't made the next step.

I think you are nit picking.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Did you enjoy the golf? Or where you tired all day?

I was fine. Had a snooze during the day.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Well I actually know an assistant coach who has worked at three clubs (and still current) and it was the coach who selected him each time. Maybe the other 13 clubs do something different

Who was BA given that he didn't select?

 

[Chipmunk]

Wasn't this what Ikin found when he took over as CEO of the Broncos? Not enough football knowledge at the club. He has fixed that now and look how well they have gone this season.

He's not the CEO, he is the equivalent of MON.

 

[Noise]

Who was BA given that he didn't select?

None that I know of. I’m saying that I’m pretty confident most / all coaches select their assistants.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I do agree that they're not as emotional as the fans, in fact, I'm not even sure as independent directors, they are even supporters of the team or even the sport.

But we also have no idea what they really see as success, and whether success on the football field is even relevant to them.

Like, if we miss the Top 8 this year, but membership and overall revenue increased, has it been a successful season? My view is the board would take a wholistic approach to the club, and as long as the results of the football team don't have a dramatic impact on the bottom line of the club, then they would see this as success, and won't make changes to the football department as a result,

For instance, two of these board members have banking backgrounds. What is more important to a bank, the results of customer satisfaction surveys, or the bottom line of the bank?

I would ask some questions on your points, purely around success on the football field.
2. The board was appointed in 2017, with the exception of one poor (lets call it an outlier) season, the results from 2017 to 2021 have remained stagnant, look likely to be at best stagnant or worse this year. I don't think there has been improvement in results for them to be happy, do you?
4. What do you think is 'coach performance' in their view, and where would they have determined this view from?

2. We have become a better, more consistent club with the Board in place than we were beforehand. No doubt there have been improvements compared to the situation the Board inherited.

You also ignored this:

3. Slightly concerned that we haven't made the next step.

As for 4. Pretty simple. Results. You see 4. also addresses the point you raised about 2.

 

[hindy111]

This thread is dumb.
When we win it's quiet. When a loss people call for BA's head and then the apologists defend how we won last week. 5 pages pass and then the exact samething happens next time we lose. It's in a way slightly comical. But you have to sit back and think perhaps we are all fairly baked because we all kinda repeat ourselves to these people we don't know whilst already knowing what their answer will be. We have less fresh ideas then BA but feel we could run the club better.

We throw names put of a hat Get him, Get him. But like we have no idea what any of these guys are like.

 

[Gary Gutful]

None that I know of. I’m saying that I’m pretty confident most / all coaches select their assistants.

So why did you say this?

If it's not true then i think we would be the only club that doesn't let the head coach choose his own assistants.

 

[JokerEel]

He's not the CEO, he is the equivalent of MON.

Doesn't change the point though.

 

[Gary Gutful]

This thread is dumb.
When we win it's quiet. When a loss people call for BA's head and then the apologists defend how we won last week. 5 pages pass and then the exact samething happens next time we lose. It's in a way slightly comical. But you have to sit back and think perhaps we are all fairly baked because we all kinda repeat ourselves to these people we don't know whilst already knowing what their answer will be. We have less fresh ideas then BA but feel we could run the club better.

We throw names put of a hat Get him, Get him. But like we have no idea what any of these guys are like.

It is largely a rehash of the same shit arguments from both sides each week. Beats talking to the family though.

 

[Noise]

So why did you say this?

I was pointing out that it would be very odd / rare if we didn’t let the coach pick his assistants because then we would be the only ones who didn’t, ie. Every other clubs head coach picks theirs so it’s extremely probable BA does too.

i also reckon BA punts them too (unless they leave on their own accord)

 

[hindy111]

It is largely a rehash of the same shit arguments from both sides each week. Beats talking to the family though.

Ever get the good old "Weathers been goood" or "See the new roads there building" conversation? That's when you know the ships sinking and you got to get out of there before you drown in f**king boredom.

 

[Chipmunk]

Well I actually know an assistant coach who has worked at three clubs (and still current) and it was the coach who selected him each time. Maybe the other 13 clubs do something different

Was it the same head coach though?

 

[Gary Gutful]

I don't think you can force assistant coaches on someone. If you're doing that the situation is far from optimal and probably untenable. Especially if that coach you're forcing them on is wary of assistants that might threaten him, as has been suggested. But even if that wasn't the case I don't see it working.

Does anyone with any knowledge actually know whether this is true or is this just something that some plonker on here made up and everyone else ran with?

If it's not true then i think we would be the only club that doesn't let the head coach choose his own assistants.

OK. I've worked out why we were it cross purposes. I was referring to the highlighted bit but you were referring to the bit beforehand. I even followed up with this:

True. Its just that "BA feels threatened by people" seems to have become gospel without a shred of evidence as far as I can see.

Anyway. Piss poor quoting effort on my part. I should be sent to reserve grade.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Hey @hindy111 - How good is the weather

 

[Noise]

Was it the same head coach though?

No.

 

[Chipmunk]

I don't think we have a horrible squad for a new coach to take over though.

We still have a strong enough neucles to work with and drive culture.

I am sure if you gave a potential new coach the option of Tigers, Warriors, Knights, Eels.

He would rather parra then the other 3.

I think we need some better tactics. Anyone with tactical nous would improve us as a team.

The tactics of this team have been attrocious the entire time the coach has been here. For the entire 9 seasons, it still looks like we are yet to train as an entire team once. How can this still be the case after 9 years that a team looks tactically this inept every week. Everyone can notice how poor our tactics are. Why can't the f**king clueless coaching staff? And if they do notice it, why after 9 years can't they f**ken fix it?

The team relies solely on higher intensity than our opponents, and the brilliance of the individual only, rather than the collective skills of the group. When our opponents come with the same intensity as us, then individuals and their brilliance can't get us out of the mess. Why is there no plan B?

Individually our players play well and do good things. But collectively it's just a f**ken amateur hour shit show out there most of the time. You can't rely on individual brilliance to get the job done.

Our attention to detail to many aspects of the game is considerably lower than other clubs. Is this the skill of the players that's the issue, or the quality of the coaching? I suspect the latter. There are countless examples of how others teams just do things better than what we do. After 9 years, this purely lies at the feet of the coaching staff.

The coach and his key assistant have been here for 9 years now. The game has evolved so much over 9 years. What engagement have these two people had with anyone involved at the more successful clubs over the last few seasons, Panthers, Storm, Roosters and Souths. Why proof is there that these two actually have any clue today about the game of rugby league.

We have been a good team because we have good players who have individual brilliance. Our players aren't good because of the brilliance of the tactics from the coaches. The coaching staff are holding this playing group back.

 

[TheParraboy]

It is largely a rehash of the same shit arguments from both sides each week. Beats talking to the family though.

and watching the masked singer..