Eels release Kieran Foran

[Kornstar]

So if it's been there for that long he's been a multiple premiership player, international, and elite player without it hampering him?

Sweet.

Yeah I gotta say that sure he has a few things to work out right now but if he has been able to achieve everything he has over the years with most of these problems, why are we so concerned it will affect us?

I don't imagine players would really care about all that other stuff, what they want to see is someone who puts in at training and know that they can absolutely trust and rely on them in the field. Something which I am sure Foran brings to any team he's on.

If the guy goes home and drinks and gambles all his money away but turns up every day and puts in and none of that stuff affects the team, players wouldn't care less.

Players don't act like fans and look to criticise every detail of someone's life.

 

[betcats]

Yeah I gotta say that sure he has a few things to work out right now but if he has been able to achieve everything he has over the years with most of these problems, why are we so concerned it will affect us?

I don't imagine players would really care about all that other stuff, what they want to see is someone who puts in at training and know that they can absolutely trust and rely on them in the field. Something which I am sure Foran brings to any team he's on.

If the guy goes home and drinks and gambles all his money away but turns up every day and puts in and none of that stuff affects the team, players wouldn't care less.

Players don't act like fans and look to criticise every detail of someone's life.

Because these things have a way of getting worse. Do you really think the guy was overdosing on meds while winning premierships? I don't recall any mid season rehab runs at Manly, his mental state seems to have deteriorated this year.

 

[BoneyBlake17]

Because these things have a way of getting worse. Do you really think the guy was overdosing on meds while winning premierships? I don't recall any mid season rehab runs at Manly, his mental state seems to have deteriorated this year.

Well parramatta can certainly kill a career and a halfback thats for sure every big name recruit or halfback that turns up here has drinking, gambling or mental health issues ends up in rehab and doesnt finish their contract. Or their performances turn to crap.

I am now convinced the place is cursed especially that number 7 jersey can we retire it for good.

 

[Twizzle]

never a dull moment

 

[betcats]

He will bounce back from hopefully it seems to be more about his personal life than anything else, if he gets that sorted maybe the rest will come good. But I just thought it was silly to ask "why are we worried about it?" when the guy already OD'd and went to rehab during the season.

 

[Kornstar]

Because these things have a way of getting worse. Do you really think the guy was overdosing on meds while winning premierships? I don't recall any mid season rehab runs at Manly, his mental state seems to have deteriorated this year.

So anyone who's ever overdosed on pills have completely ruined their lives to the point of no return?

We can all play experts but we know shit about the entire situation and what led to it and if it was intentional or accident. Taking a few too many and necking the whole bottle are completely different things.

 

[Noise]

Yeah I gotta say that sure he has a few things to work out right now but if he has been able to achieve everything he has over the years with most of these problems, why are we so concerned it will affect us?

I don't imagine players would really care about all that other stuff, what they want to see is someone who puts in at training and know that they can absolutely trust and rely on them in the field. Something which I am sure Foran brings to any team he's on.

If the guy goes home and drinks and gambles all his money away but turns up every day and puts in and none of that stuff affects the team, players wouldn't care less.

Players don't act like fans and look to criticise every detail of someone's life.

It already has affected us. He has missed games, training and brought a shitload of negative attention to the club.

Can you trust a bloke who drinks during rehab and misses rehab slowing the process of getting himself get back on the training field? Or hitting the pills and missing games.?

 

[Bandwagon]

Well parramatta can certainly kill a career and a halfback thats for sure every big name recruit or halfback that turns up here has drinking, gambling or mental health issues ends up in rehab and doesnt finish their contract. Or their performances turn to crap.

I am now convinced the place is cursed especially that number 7 jersey can we retire it for good.

It's almost as if the first question recruitment ask potential candidates is...

Do you suffer from any of the following?

A mental illness
B Drug or alcohol abuse / addiction
C Gambling addiction
D all of the above

If you you have answered yes to to any of the above, would you..

A Like to be our Halfback
B Like to be our Halfback
C Like to be our Halfback
D All of the above

 

[ash411]

Someone needs to let all the mental hospitals know that all their long term patients should be well by now because mental illness is like a ruptured ligament and will heal in time

So everyone walking around in the world living with mental health issues (like depression, anxiety, etc) should hurry up and lock themselves into mental hospitals because it's impossible to deal with mental health problems day to day, right?

We gotta lock em all up cause they're all ticking time bombs that can't function on a day-to-day basis?

Got it.

 

[betcats]

So anyone who's ever overdosed on pills have completely ruined their lives to the point of no return?

We can all play experts but we know shit about the entire situation and what led to it and if it was intentional or accident. Taking a few too many and necking the whole bottle are completely different things.

You asked why are we worried about it affecting us im just pointing out it already is affecting you isn't that obvious?

 

[Kornstar]

It already has affected us. He has missed games, training and brought a shitload of negative attention to the club.

Can you trust a bloke who drinks during rehab and misses rehab slowing the process of getting himself get back on the training field? Or hitting the pills and missing games.?

I'm not defending his actions, aspects of this have annoyed the f**k out of me.

I'm just breaking it down that players don't think like fans. They're job is to play football, not read the press or Internet forums. I'm sure some are annoyed at his antics but if the offseason comes and he rips in at training and bleeds for his team, they won't give a shit about what has happened before.

 

[ash411]

You asked why are we worried about it affecting us im just pointing out it already is affecting you isn't that obvious?

In the short term it is, but Korny is saying why should we worry that the effects will carry on long term.

This could be an isolated incident for all we know. once the fallout clears, and he sorts himself out, things could be completely fine going forward.

He has at least 6 months to get his head right before pre-season training, a lot can be accomplished in 6 months if you're properly motivated.

 

[phantom eel]

I don't recall any mid season rehab runs at Manly, his mental state seems to have deteriorated this year.

Funny that... who would have thought someone's mental state could be effected by a relationship break-up when you've got young (one just born) kids?

We should stop jumping on the criticism train, and just get behnd the guy.

He's achieved a lot in his footballing career, and there's no reason to think that is not possible for Foran, with us, in 2017.

 

[phantom eel]

Can you trust a bloke who drinks during rehab

Today's Telrgraph article indicates Foran was drinking water when he met Eddie Hayson to watch sport in the pub after finishing his rehab stint.

 

[betcats]

In the short term it is, but Korny is saying why should we worry that the effects will carry on long term.

This could be an isolated incident for all we know. once the fallout clears, and he sorts himself out, things could be completely fine going forward.

He has at least 6 months to get his head right before pre-season training, a lot can be accomplished in 6 months if you're properly motivated.

Of course but this incident would suggest he isn't properly motivated, that's the point alcohol and mental problems don't mix well at all if he was focused and motivated on getting fit both physically and mentally he wouldn't be drinking at all. He could easily bounce back from this if he gets his personal life right or he could easily get much worse, if what Toovey said about his ongoing mental problems is true its pretty naïve to think this will just go away.

 

[phantom eel]

You might be sure but I'd take his former coach's (toovey) word when he said on one of the footy shows that foran's mental health issues have been known about by manly for a number of years.

So if it's been there for that long he's been a multiple premiership player, international, and elite player without it hampering him?

Sweet.

This. Get behind an Eels player when he's down, and give him the understanding needed to get back to where he wants to be.

Foran has hardly brought disrepute upon the club - it's the muck-raking modern journos, and some maybe factional types within the club spreading rumours - that have brought negative attention. Not Foran himself.

 

[Noise]

Today's Telrgraph article indicates Foran was drinking water when he met Eddie Hayson to watch sport in the pub after finishing his rehab stint.

I'm talking about the current incident with his injury rehab

 

[phantom eel]

I'm talking about the current incident with his injury rehab

Meh. Hardly a drama imo.

I'm with Brad Arthur - all discipline should be kept in house.

It's the self-interested types within the club spreading rumours to journos is our real, long-term problem.

 

[betcats]

Funny that... who would have thought someone's mental state could be effected by a relationship break-up when you've got young (one just born) kids?

We should stop jumping on the criticism train, and just get behnd the guy.

He's achieved a lot in his footballing career, and there's no reason to think that is not possible for Foran, with us, in 2017.

WTF I'm not criticising anyone read my comments ive said twice he could easily bounce back. I wouldn't bag anyone with mental issues but this whole "he'll be right" attitude some of you have is exactly the wrong way to deal with it. Its a real possibility to say he could never get back to where he was when he was at Manly just as much as it is a real possibility to say he could come back much stronger mentally.

Look at Buddy and Boyd, both took the time off to get their heads and personal lives right and both have come back better than ever.

 

[Noise]

This. Get behind an Eels player when he's down, and give him the understanding needed to get back to where he wants to be.

Foran has hardly brought disrepute upon the club - it's the muck-raking modern journos, and some maybe factional types within the club spreading rumours - that have brought negative attention. Not Foran himself.

Huh? ODing on pills, missing a rehab session, having the captaincy stripped and hanging out with a bloke allegedly involved with match fixing (and before people get up in arms about being allowed to hang out with anyone they want, Junior Paulo has been crucified on here for hanging with bikies) is all the media and 3P's fault?