Eels Salary Cap MK II

[ash411]

If it's the forensic guys, who are they employed by?

The original guys were PWC, but they haven't said who this second lot are employed by, have they? I know they said they got in outside help for the "Integrity" unit, but they haven't said who they were though.

More to the point, why didn't PWC find any of this in the first place?

The other thing, this change of penalty being dependent on "Co-operation" by the board, haven't they been pretty damn co-operative so far? Not a lot of boards of a company would hand over computers & such to anyone other than the police (with a warrant), as far as I know. I would say they have been probably overly co-operative so far.

If that's all true, then the NRL have an agenda we haven't really heard yet, and it sounds like they have a very specific objective here, not necessarily being punishing us for breaches, and more about removing the board from the club, the breached of rules are just the justification for it. Which I don't fully understand why...

Until the NRL actually tell us themselves (not via leaks to the media) we won't know exactly what's happening, and I really wish all the media speculation would stop.

I would think that if the NRL were going to hand down a penalty (which the media have said "it's happening today" since Monday), that the announcement would be fairly early in the morning. Or at least it should be.

Any announcement the NRL makes about any penalty they decide to levy needs to be very clear about it's intentions, and what the penalty is actually for. If the penalty is harsher because the board refused to step down, they need to say so, and then if that's the case, we need to tear the NRL a new assh**e, because, to me at least, that isn't kosher to do that.

If the NRL feel that the board are unfit to run an NRL club and they want them removed, they should just remove them, none of this ransom bulls**t.

 

[hineyrulz]

Over it. Can't even be f**ked reading it any more.

Thats pretty much where I am at as well, just wish the merkins would get on with it so the team can move on from it with a chance of salvaging our season. Bar the players and coaching staff they can all get f**ked as far as I'm concerned.

 

[eels_fan]

The fact that there is mention of "if board members step down, less points will be deducted" shows that this entire 'campaign' is faction based and its sole propose is not to clear up salary cap issues or uncover truths, it is merely to get rid of our board. One only needs a solitary guess to know who is behind it.

Is blackmail a now accepted NRL practice in dealing with salary cap breaches. Surely if you breech the cap, then there is a penalty for doing so, not a case of, if you quit we won't hand down a penalty, if the true purpose of the cap is to equalise talent in the NRL, how does board members quitting negate a breach?

I think we have done nothing serverly, points-losing worthy, but if we have and by Sharp and co resigning we get away with nothing but a fine and bloody Fitzy back (worse than losing points imo..) then what does that say to the rest of the NRL? Breaching the cap is all good as long as you resign once it is uncovered? Golden handshake on the way out for the CEO/chairman but thanks for the dodgy premierships?

This is a media driven cluster f**k.

Fine us for not being "dutiful" in investigating 3rd party links between Watmough's TPA provider, forget the rubbish from 2013 that was supposed to have fully audited last year (if PWC and the NRL didn't do it properly then it's on them), the board stays on proviso they go through with the 100 odd recommendations and let's get on with the season..

 

[ash411]

The fact that there is mention of "if board members step down, less points will be deducted" shows that this entire 'campaign' is faction based and its sole propose is not to clear up salary cap issues or uncover truths, it is merely to get rid of our board. One only needs a solitary guess to know who is behind it.

Is blackmail a now accepted NRL practice in dealing with salary cap breaches. Surely if you breech the cap, then there is a penalty for doing so, not a case of, if you quit we won't hand down a penalty, if the true purpose of the cap is to equalise talent in the NRL, how does board members quitting negate a breach?

I think we have done nothing serverly, points-losing worthy, but if we have and by Sharp and co resigning we get away with nothing but a fine and bloody Fitzy back (worse than losing points imo..) then what does that say to the rest of the NRL? Breaching the cap is all good as long as you resign once it is uncovered? Golden handshake on the way out for the CEO/chairman but thanks for the dodgy premierships?

This is a media driven cluster f**k.

Fine us for not being "dutiful" in investigating 3rd party links between Watmough's TPA provider, forget the rubbish from 2013 that was supposed to have fully audited last year (if PWC and the NRL didn't do it properly then it's on them), the board stays on proviso they go through with the 100 odd recommendations and let's get on with the season..

The big question is, if this ultimatum comes down from the NRL, is how did the NRL become compromised by factional in-fighting at Parramatta? Does someone have someone in the NRL in their pocket? Or is this a problem someone at the NRL has with Parramatta?

The media beat up and consequent witch hunt is pretty obviously being driven by certain parties we all know about, and ultimately the media is harmless, they can't actually do anything themselves. It's the NRL that worries me, if they've been "gotten to" or personal prejudices (for whatever reason) are dictating more severe punishments than appropriate because they are trying to force an outcome they can't do themselves (i.e. forcing board members to resign because they can't just remove them) that is very worrying to me. If they don't have grounds to remove them themselves, then they obviously don't deserve to go, the NRL "Wants" them to go. That is different, that is the NRL forcing it's will on a club.

The question is, what comes next? Any time the NRL finds a technical breach (or whatever) committed by a club they want to make changes at (for whatever reason) all they need to do is threaten to strip points as a punishment for the breach if condition A isn't met.

That scares me more than anything else.

 

[Bigfella]

Why would the NRL say anything before they have completed their investigation? That would be ridiculous.

I am sick of this situation, and want it resolved today too - but we all need to let the investigation take its course. I would imagine this sort of investigation would be a complex, tedious, painstakingly slow process.

Exactly.

They'd end up in the Supreme Court on a judicial review application for prejudgment / bias if they start announcing the results halfway through.

 

[ash411]

Exactly.

They'd end up in the Supreme Court on a judicial review application for prejudgment / bias if they start announcing the results halfway through.

It seems to me they're leaking evidence to the media, not that far of a leap to leak results too?

 

[oldmancraigy]

How does the board stepping down help lessen the penalty?

Or, to put it another way, how is that fair to any 3rd party onlooker??
The Tigers, Titans, Dragons, or Sea Eagles look like they will be struggling to make the 8 this year, all in a fight for the lower end spots on the ladder.
The NRL comes out and says 'the Eels cheated SO BADLY we are going to take 10 points of them' (ie, wipe out our season) --> but if the board steps down, it's just 2.
That's an 8 point swing, surely these teams are all 'um, if we change our board, do we get given 8 comp points?'

How does it penalize a team for cheating?? Let 'em change the board and they're sweet to knock a legal team out of the semis...

 

[yy_cheng]

The original guys were PWC, but they haven't said who this second lot are employed by, have they? I know they said they got in outside help for the "Integrity" unit, but they haven't said who they were though.

More to the point, why didn't PWC find any of this in the first place?

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Maybe they did and reported it but we don't know what actions came from it.


BTW, when is the Hoppa law case against us due in court?

 

[ash411]

How does the board stepping down help lessen the penalty?

Or, to put it another way, how is that fair to any 3rd party onlooker??
The Tigers, Titans, Dragons, or Sea Eagles look like they will be struggling to make the 8 this year, all in a fight for the lower end spots on the ladder.
The NRL comes out and says 'the Eels cheated SO BADLY we are going to take 10 points of them' (ie, wipe out our season) --> but if the board steps down, it's just 2.
That's an 8 point swing, surely these teams are all 'um, if we change our board, do we get given 8 comp points?'

How does it penalize a team for cheating?? Let 'em change the board and they're sweet to knock a legal team out of the semis...

IF that ultimatum is a real thing, then it becomes obvious that the points deduction has nothing to do with the salary cap / TPA breaches and is a tactic to remove the board. In other words we aren't going to be penalised (by way of a points deduction) for dodgy TPA's or whatever, but instead we are being penalised because the NRL doesn't like who is running the team.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

PARRAMATTA EELS CLUB STATEMENT

The Parramatta Eels again express deep concern at the extent of relentless media speculation potentially compromising an ongoing NRL investigation.

Further to that, today's media reports regarding Semi Radradra are wrong.

The facts are:

The alleged TPA request regarding Semi Radradra had been rejected by the club’s Head of Football Operations, Daniel Anderson, due to salary cap compliance.
Instead, the club worked collaboratively with the NRL and Semi’s management on an alternative solution.
The club received written approval to make an advanced payment to Semi for personal reasons via then NRL Chief Operating Officer, Jim Doyle, and Salary Cap Auditor, Jamie L’Oste Brown, on 25 July 2014.
The Eels were not offered the opportunity to comment on this information before it went to print.

It should also be noted that all correspondence printed in today’s article has already been provided voluntarily to the NRL and there has been no suggestion that these matters are part of the current investigation.

Mr Anderson looks forward to discussing these and all relevant issues as part of the NRL's investigation.


Below is a statement from Parramatta Eels Chairman, Steve Sharp:

“It is so important for the public, our Members and fans to understand that the Parramatta Eels are undergoing a massive reform process, implementing 117 recommendations for reform from independent experts PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Further to that, a campaign of smear will not be permitted to undermine this reform.

We are concerned that those attempting to smear the Eels are receiving untested and unwarranted media attention.

Our message to those attempting to smear the club is that the current Eels’ leadership team will not be deterred from reforming the club.

We again assert our rights to procedural fairness and are doing so by fully assisting the NRL.

The club will be reviewing all our legal options in relation to today’s article and continue to offer our full cooperation to the NRL regarding its current salary cap investigation.”

http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2016/04/07/parramatta_eels_club.html

 

[Avenger]

Those f**king low grade scum at news limited have been cannabilising the game for decades and now it's our turn. I would blacklist them. They are gutter journalists with zero credibility. When this all boils over will journalists who make shit up or digest shit from the scalded garbage that can't let go be made accountable ? They unfortunately won't however I wish them the very worst.

 

[hindy111]

The fine we had issued last year was also at $1 for $1 in comparrison to previous other teams who where fined at 50 cents to the dollar ( per amount breached )

So we have been already hit twice as hard to other clubs. Who is coming up with the fine amounts. There really should be some kind of standard.

 

[El Diablo]

The club will be reviewing all our legal options in relation to today’s article and continue to offer our full cooperation to the NRL regarding its current salary cap investigation.”

about time

 

[ash411]

I like that they're responding to the articles, it's a shame that the media will never ever print a statement calling them out on their s**t.

 

[oldmancraigy]

IF that ultimatum is a real thing, then it becomes obvious that the points deduction has nothing to do with the salary cap / TPA breaches and is a tactic to remove the board. In other words we aren't going to be penalised (by way of a points deduction) for dodgy TPA's or whatever, but instead we are being penalised because the NRL doesn't like who is running the team.

Yes, but my question is how do fringe 8 teams like that??

Don't they say 'hey we'll sack our board for 8 competition points'?

 

[ash411]

Yes, but my question is how do fringe 8 teams like that??

Don't they say 'hey we'll sack our board for 8 competition points'?

And that would be a fair request.

however, the NRL don't have a problem with their boards.

 

[eel01s]

Great response to the News ltd. articles. NRL really should also comment that they are investigating with the full cooperation of the Eels and that they won't be swayed by any bs.

 

[ash411]

Great response to the News ltd. articles. NRL really should also comment that they are investigating with the full cooperation of the Eels and that they won't be swayed by any bs.

But will they though?

 

[parra-matters]

Would love to see whether all the footy managers / chairman / CEO of the other 15 NRL have ever discussed TPA's either verbally or via email ???

They are deleting them as we speak....

 

[ash411]

They are deleting them as we speak....

I'll bet Bunnings stores all over the country are out of stock of paper shredders this week.