Eels Salary Cap MK II

[hindy111]

So the warriors went over for 1.1 million over 2 yrs. The salary cap at time was half what it is now. So in todays money that's 2.2 million or 1.1 million per season for a 4 point deduction.
The dogs where 750K and 930k and a total of 2.1 over 3 yrs. In todays money that is 4.2 million.

The money I am hearing thrown around is 50 grand here and 50 grand there. I mean all up what does it total? To punish the team if it has not gained a huge advantage is abusrd. It all seems minor amounts but the fact they are dodgey deals the guys running club should be sacked

 

[Gronk]

The timing is impeccable, keep building the outrage until 2nd May, then you get to report on that meeting, and the fallout.
Pardon the pun, but they are drip feeding the leaks to ensure it builds into what they want.

Agreed, but what is the goal for 2 May 2016 ?

I'd love those who are set on ousting the current board to be up front about who they want in their place. As I've said before, if stability means that the board steps aside, then I'm fine with that. Then what ? Where's the roadmap to stability ? Nobody has posted on this thread with any plan moving forward. it seems that they are focused on the axing of Sharp and DA, yet have no plan which protects us from the Fitzy & Spags factions. Unless having these merkins back is part of their cunning plans....

 

[strider]

So the warriors went over for 1.1 million over 2 yrs. The salary cap at time was half what it is now. So in todays money that's 2.2 million or 1.1 million per season for a 4 point deduction.
The dogs where 750K and 930k and a total of 2.1 over 3 yrs. In todays money that is 4.2 million.

The money I am hearing thrown around is 50 grand here and 50 grand there. I mean all up what does it total? To punish the team if it has not gained a huge advantage is abusrd. It all seems minor amounts but the fact they are dodgey deals the guys running club should be sacked

Damn straight!! Ring the NRL and sort em out mate. And mention you are a penrith fan it will seem more impartial then :thumn

 

[strider]

Agreed, but what is the goal for 2 May 2016 ?

I'd love those who are set on ousting the current board to be up front about who they want in their place. As I've said before, if stability means that the board steps aside, then I'm fine with that. Then what ? Where's the roadmap to stability ? Nobody has posted on this thread with any plan moving forward. it seems that they are focused on the axing of Sharp and DA, yet have no plan which protects us from the Fitzy & Spags factions. Unless having these merkins back is part of their cunning plans....

The plan is random rich peopl in suits who dont really give a f**k ... happy days :roll:

 

[SDM]

Agreed, but what is the goal for 2 May 2016 ?

I'd love those who are set on ousting the current board to be up front about who they want in their place. As I've said before, if stability means that the board steps aside, then I'm fine with that. Then what ? Where's the roadmap to stability ? Nobody has posted on this thread with any plan moving forward. it seems that they are focused on the axing of Sharp and DA, yet have no plan which protects us from the Fitzy & Spags factions. Unless having these merkins back is part of their cunning plans....

As far as the factions go, I don't know, I don't follow that side of things. But for the media it is about the hysteria they can cause, the more issues at Parra the better, more papers, more clicks on the website. They don't care who runs the joint, as long as there is perceived drama.

Whoever is leaking to drive an agenda thinks they are playing the media, but I would suggest it is the other way round.

 

[ash411]

The thing that infuriates me so far, is that the NRL have said NOTHING. I saw the 7 news report about it, saying that it could be 10 points, but if the board "Co-operates" it could be as low as 2. Does that mean they are holding board members to ransom?

x amount of points per board member they want to resign?

If that's the case, I want to NRL to come out and actually say it. I'm sick of hearing this s**t from the media. I want to hear from the NRL directly, today.

I think we, as parra fans, need to start tweeting the NRL, or just flooding them with messages somehow and basically tell them to hurry the f**k up and make their intentions clear. If they have a problem with the board and want them all (or certain members) out, fine, but make it publicly known so we as fans can fully understand what's actually happening, and not what the media tell us, which is usually 95% rubbish hearsay and guesswork.

 

[hindy111]

Damn straight!! Ring the NRL and sort em out mate. And mention you are a penrith fan it will seem more impartial then :thumn

The roosters went over 140k in 2001 for undisclosed breaches of cap. In a % point that's like 280k. No real mentioned in media as less then 5%.
Working on % the dogs where about 30% over for two years in a row.
The warriors 15 % for 2 yrs.

If ours total 200k that's about 2-3 % need to ask how much that benefited the team. And if the warriors lost 4 points for 15 % then I guess dock us 0.3 points. You can not just pull a figure out of thin air. You need percentages.

Talk of 10 points is what we deserve? Give me a break.

 

[forward pass]

If that's the case, I want to NRL to come out and actually say it. I'm sick of hearing this s**t from the media. I want to hear from the NRL directly, today.

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Why would the NRL say anything before they have completed their investigation? That would be ridiculous.

I am sick of this situation, and want it resolved today too - but we all need to let the investigation take its course. I would imagine this sort of investigation would be a complex, tedious, painstakingly slow process.

 

[Kornstar]

Why would the NRL say anything before they have completed their investigation? That would be ridiculous.

I am sick of this situation, and want it resolved today too - but we all need to let the investigation take its course. I would imagine this sort of investigation would be a complex, tedious, painstakingly slow process.

The NRL should be addressing the leaks imo.

The emails have very limited places they could come from and the main culprit at this stage is the NRL "integrity" unit. DA, Sharp or Issa wouldn't leak emails only they received so who else could it be???

 

[IFR33K]

The roosters went over 140k in 2001 for undisclosed breaches of cap. In a % point that's like 280k. No real mentioned in media as less then 5%.
Working on % the dogs where about 30% over for two years in a row.
The warriors 15 % for 2 yrs.

If ours total 200k that's about 2-3 % need to ask how much that benefited the team. And if the warriors lost 4 points for 15 % then I guess dock us 0.3 points. You can not just pull a figure out of thin air. You need percentages.

Talk of 10 points is what we deserve? Give me a break.

Gotta hand it to ya Hindy, what you lack in English skills, you certainly make up for it in maths.

 

[84 Baby]

Jerkakoff contradicts his own vendetta

A representative of *Radradra tells Anderson what he needs “to get this deal done”. He requests “an additional $35K TPA” for the remainder of 2014

What's that you say Dick Jerkakoff? The AGENT asked Anderson to get "an additional $35K TPA"? Well surely this is the only instance of that happening in the entire NRL and not indicative of common practice and means that all Eels dealings are not done at arm's length terms

 

[IFR33K]

Jerkakoff contradicts his own vendetta



What's that you say Dick Jerkakoff? The AGENT asked Anderson to get "an additional $35K TPA"? Well surely this is the only instance of that happening in the entire NRL and not indicative of common practice and means that all Eels dealings are not done at arm's length terms

The thing is, semi is already signed up. What's the big deal, if then the club helps out with a few sponsors????

 

[84 Baby]

Would love to see whether all the footy managers / chairman / CEO of the other 15 NRL have ever discussed TPA's either verbally or via email ???

I'm not completely aware of the NRL's "arm's length" interpretation, but I do deal with audits and I can't see why any NRL club shouldn't be able to actively pursue other parties to sponsor players even to the point of asking them for a specific amount. And this is especially in light of the Folau fiasco where the NRL determined what cap value a player should have as a minimum. So as long as the player isn't being underpaid as part of salary cap, the TPA isn't being guaranteed (as in sponsor X defaults, club, not another sponsor, then pays) or there are other arrangements with the sponsor to artificially lower player salary (see Folau fiasco) then there is no issue. Even the Black Citrus/ScoreCube problem may be ok if there are certain controls in place to ensure that it isn't circumventing rules

 

[84 Baby]

The thing that infuriates me so far, is that the NRL have said NOTHING. I saw the 7 news report about it, saying that it could be 10 points, but if the board "Co-operates" it could be as low as 2. Does that mean they are holding board members to ransom?

Did the NRL even bring up the 10 points possibility or was it just someone in media (I can only remember Paul merkin saying it)?

Which means it's:
1. A leak from NRL over what they want penalty to be;
2. Pulled out of nowhere and just gathered steam; or
3. Just whatever the media initiator is pressuring the NRL to penalise us with

 

[hybrideel]

The roosters went over 140k in 2001 for undisclosed breaches of cap. In a % point that's like 280k. No real mentioned in media as less then 5%.
Working on % the dogs where about 30% over for two years in a row.
The warriors 15 % for 2 yrs.

If ours total 200k that's about 2-3 % need to ask how much that benefited the team. And if the warriors lost 4 points for 15 % then I guess dock us 0.3 points. You can not just pull a figure out of thin air. You need percentages.

Talk of 10 points is what we deserve? Give me a break.

I don't think the point deduction can come purely down to money or % of cap, it comes down to intent. If it is proven that management has purposely broken rules in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage then we will be punished and rightly so.
The way i see it, this thing will go 1 of 3 ways if the media hysteria is ignored

1. Management purposely circumvented rules - points deduction, fines and forcing people responsible to step down from positions

2. Management inadvertentlybroke rules - fine and possibly "encouraging" people responsible to step down

3. Managment did nothing wrong by either just introducing managers to TPA providers or including any negotiated TPA's in the marquee allowance - nothing happens and the media goes apeshit along with fans from every other club

 

[ash411]

Did the NRL even bring up the 10 points possibility or was it just someone in media (I can only remember Paul merkin saying it)?

Which means it's:
1. A leak from NRL over what they want penalty to be;
2. Pulled out of nowhere and just gathered steam; or
3. Just whatever the media initiator is pressuring the NRL to penalise us with

Mark Beretta said it on 7 this morning, as many as 10, but as little as 2 if they co-operate fully.

Of course, he said seven "understands" so it's probably bulls**t. i.e. "Seven read in the DT this morning..."

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/video/watch/31288171/sports-break-april-7/#page1

EDIT: But agreed, it's dangerous no matter what the situation is, If the NRL is leaking, that's very bad, if the media are just making things up, equally bad, and if the NRL follows the lead of the media, that's the worse case scenario. If the media realise it can dictate what the NRL do with a barrage of articles, then they will be the ones in control of the NRL from now on.

 

[yy_cheng]

How are the emails getting leaked? Only the people copied in on them should have them, so does that mean DA, Issa, Sharp would give them over?

It can't be the managers as that would mean all the different managers are handing them over.

Are the NRL leaking them to the Telegraph from their forensic investigation?

Wouldn't it be fairly easy to determine who is leaking stuff now when there is only a small circle of people who are copied in?

Just hurry the f**k up and take the points off us so we can move on!

Auditors?

 

[Kornstar]

Auditors?

If it's the forensic guys, who are they employed by?

 

[84 Baby]

3. Managment did nothing wrong by either just introducing managers to TPA providers or including any negotiated TPA's in the marquee allowance - nothing happens and the media goes apeshit along with fans from every other club

If the media realise it can dictate what the NRL do with a barrage of articles, then they will be the ones in control of the NRL from now on.

Sports media don't actually care about facts or outcome, because no matter what happens they know they can turn it into positive sales.

Now I understand why the Scum case took so long and had such a wishy washy outcome, given the trial by media has swayed the matter, the NRL are going to want to be 100% sure of guilt before they start demanding people's jobs

 

[Gronk]

Tackle Two – The Eel deal on Parramatta
It’s likely none of the players caught up in the latest headlines had any idea where their money was coming from; or how it was being juggled about to make the salary cap work behind the scenes.

That’s certainly Maitua’s story. Eels co-captain in 2013, Maitua had a falling-out with coach Ricky Stuart midway through that season and the pair agreed it was best he played-out the final year of his contract elsewhere.

That turned out to be Canterbury in 2014. The Bulldogs paid Maitua a fairly modest salary, with Parramatta paying him the rest to ensure his contract was fully honoured.

Maitua received all money owing to him from the Eels; and thought nothing of it until this week, when he read about a $25,000 third party payment that was allegedly covered by the club.

Maitua tells us he didn’t know of any third party arrangements that sat alongside his contract with Parramatta. Interesting. He was just one of a dozen players shown the door by Stuart and then-CEO Ken Edwards in 2013.

Many of the outcasts had further years to run on their contracts. Parramatta had to carry the value of those contracts in their salary cap going forward; even though the players had moved on.

That put the Eels at a massive disadvantage – perhaps upwards of $500,000. To compete on level terms with the other 15 clubs the club had to find a way of squirrelling some of that money outside the cap, by disguising it as third party deals.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what started the triggered the desperate spiral that now threatens to rob the Eels of competition points.

Tackle Three – Integrity Unit gets heavy
The Integrity Unit’s conduct during the Eels investigation has hardly been impeccable. We’ve been privy to several accounts of pressure upon potential witnesses and informants.

Many hold positions or interests elsewhere in the game; beyond their dealings with Parramatta. Some are service providers, some sponsors, some staff.

Integrity Unit representatives have not been afraid to remind them how those relationships could be compromised by a failure to co-operate.

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sp...eaturing-josh-massoud-and-liam-cox-round-six/