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Eels team v Dogs

yy_cheng

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Stephen Kearney seems to be the second coach now that doesnt have much faith in Ant Mitchell.

I wonder if Loko is worth drafting into my supercoach team?

I'd bet Ant doesn't train well.
He'll be an Albert Kelly. He be at the sharks next year with Gardner and Kelly and will kill it.

As for Loko, he looks to goods for mine. Morgan is a Reddy clone but Loko looks special
 

PARRA_FAN

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wenty team anyone?

Wentworthville: 1. Henry Raiwalui 2. Ben Falcone 3. Troy Savage 4. Chris Walker 5. Etu Uaisele 20. Aaron Fluke 7. Brendan Waters (C) 8. Pele Peletelese 9. Anthony Mitchell 10. Manase Manuokafoa 11. Nathan Armit 12. Peter Prime 13. Mitch Stanfield
Interchange: 6. Brad Murray 14. Matt Hunt 15. Paki Afu 16. Valu Nasio 17. Tom Vainga

Well I dont understand Mitchell getting dropped, he surely did no worse than half the team on Sunday.

I dont understand SK's coaching.

You might say on the upside Brad Murray is back in the NSW Cup side, hopefully he'll improve and maybe get a shot in FG.
 

yy_cheng

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Desperate times:

1. Burt
2. Atkins
3. Loko
4. Reddy
5.
6. Hayne
7. Robson
8. Mannah
9. McGuire
10. Fui
11. Hindmarsh
12. Lasalo
13. Horo

14. A Mitchell
15. Webb
16. Shackelton
17. M Allgood

This would have been my team. Mortimer should not be anywhere
Near a team. Has he created any tries this year?

THankyou. Close to what I would like especially your 6. I don't think Mortz shouldn't be in the team. Just like Finch, he does alot of good stuff off the ball. He just shouldn't be the playmaker.

Mortz could make a good 14.
If I could replace Robbo, I would but I think Robbo is a better 7 than Mortz. Basically because I think he can follow a game plan better.

So my only other change would be:

7. Casey
9. MK (If he keeps it up)

14. Mortz/Mitchell

Finally, when Poore returns Allgood to drop off.
When Reni comes in, One of Horo/Lasalo should drop off.

Lastly, I know Benny has been poor. But I wish we made Benny our Wagon. someone who just goes in there targetting a certain player and just getting in that player's face.
 

Eels Dude

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God forbid someone should support their argument with some kind of facts and reasoning.

You can present them as much as you like, but don't blame others if they can't be bothered reading them.

I might bother to read through your response to read your response to your reply to True Eel's and my own posts tomorrow... but with the amount of stats driven into your reply to my post i'm not going to take the effort to read, analyze, and respond at this time of evening.
 

Bazal

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Falcone on the wing for Wenty? Is that right? Dude is a halfback/hooker.... :crazy:
 

Poupou Escobar

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You can present them as much as you like, but don't blame others if they can't be bothered reading them.

I might bother to read through your response to read your response to your reply to True Eel's and my own posts tomorrow... but with the amount of stats driven into your reply to my post i'm not going to take the effort to read, analyze, and respond at this time of evening.

Suit yourself. I post just as much for my own amusement as for your education.
 

yy_cheng

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I think this week we should play 2nd phase even though we don't have the cattle.

We have shown where we are at in structured play. Now it's time to shock and awe and play 1 game with 2nd phase. It's a gamble but the Dogs won't be prepared for it.

Then we go back to structured.

If the 2nd phase style works, the future opposition needs to work out which eels style will turn up.

Also in playing 2nd phase this week, we can see if we have anything else in our arsenal. If we do, we can go structured and then throw in the new weapons.

If we lose, so? At least we tried a different game plan.

We might beat some teams with structure namely the undisciplined teams but with the discipline teams, we have no hope.

It's why I liked Brian Smith. He always kept the opposition guessing. It might not work but it's better than BORING !!
 

True EEL

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Are you for real?

Do you ever watch any of the players when the ball isn't near them? Every team tries to line up in a definite pattern/shape/structure. It's the most basic thing about footy.

Pou Pou....

look i'm not going to respond to all of this, as (a) i really don't have the time and (b) much of it i don't need to....so i'll just mention some key points

look mate, our opinions might differ, but please don't take me for a fool who doesn't watch league as you were implying....i know how teams line up and how the modern structure works ok - i don't necessarily have to agree with it

i have watched and studied a lot of Rugby league and i have actually played a fair bit of Rugby League - mostly in the halves and at hooker - so i know a thing or two about how sides are meant to line up and where people should be ok (not trying to sound like a hero, just stating facts)

so, although i am painfully aware that most sides, including us form a structure that sees the backrowers split on either side of the field - much like centres split many years ago - the point i am making (which you seemed to either miss, ignore or refuse to even just take on board) is this: if you do not have genuine and i used the word genuine strike backrowers capable of doing damage for you out wide in amongst the other backrowers and centres, IMHO it offers you little in attack or indeed for your overall team structure and you would be better served going back and playing a more traditional style of game whereby you use all of your running forwards to simply eat up meters.....

therefore, i do care if you have capable wide-running backrowers (as you seemed to imply that it doesn't matter whether they are good at that style of play or not) and believe that if you haven't got them or if that style is not working, then go away from it. At the moment Lasalo and Horo have been very ineffective at this style of play and you can add Ben Smith to that too. And yes, Shack would not be that effective at this style either if he was playing wide in the backrow (particularly in defence as you rightfully pointed out). Thus again illustrates my point.....at the moment our backrowers do not suit this style of play, so if i had any say in it, i would be playing them in tighter and using a different style of play. I don't suggest we go entirely back to the slugfest 80's days in the forwards - and i agree with your point that the game has changed a lot since then - but a balance of old and new would be best.....

Also, to further support my claims, it appears that SK is very keen on structuring his side this way with 2 wide backrowers as we have established. Now to me, the contradiction is that by doing this, his intention must be that he wants to play wide, and by default, expansive football.......yet, this does not mesh with his stated aim of playing tight, no mistakes football?? So to me he seems unsure of which particular style he wants to actually put on the park?

At the end of the day, if Lasalo and/or Horo can develop into players like Creagh, Anasta, Gallen, etc, who are capable of playing that style of game then sure, go with it - but if you don't have the players that can perform to that style get them running straight and hard with some decoy runners (instead of running so one out as we have been) and make some ground and limit the errors....then hand it over to the backs

Mate, i don't even agree with the halves being split either side of the ruck really either and DA was determined to play that style last year, and so far SK is too....to me its not always that effective, and we might be better suited using a more traditional backline where the halves work together and actually put plays on.....its like Gus said about Wayne Bennet's style of coaching (and perhaps his own as well) the little things and the old things in this game stand the test of time, no matter how much the game changes....run hard, tackle, kick as far as you can chase, limit the errors......i know what you are saying about 'there are no more backline plays etc' but that is my point....why do you think so many tries are scored from kicks and from simply building pressure on tryline's......its because halves are not taught or allowed to play like halves anymore, they are not allowed to be creative, its all about structure and shifts and the middle bloody third of the field!!!!!! Teams need to play more football....! Note: Hayne to 6!!!!!!

p.s i was being a bit cheeky about 'what does central backrow mean' etc lol, but thanks anyway for the general education on shape, structure and all things modern Rugby League ;-) we just have different opinions mate that's all
 
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I do believe Lasalo and Horo can hit a hole running wide it's just that our halves don't have the skill to put em in one.
 

True EEL

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I do believe Lasalo and Horo can hit a hole running wide it's just that our halves don't have the skill to put em in one.

Jake, for all the back and fourth on this subject i have been involved in, that is a fair comment

and i agree that they can on their day, but at the moment for mine, they can't that effectively or consistently. So is it the failure halves, is it their failure in that position/style, or is it failure the team style/structure....not sure? (ps. not bashing SK either, just thinking out loud)

but to me, we would score a hell of a lot more points if jarryd Hayne was convinced to don the 6 jersey and be given the keys to city to just run the team.....
to me its time....and this might solve the issue that you're talking about RE: our halves....i believe it can
 
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Jake, for all the back and fourth on this subject i have been involved in, that is a fair comment

and i agree that they can on their day, but at the moment for mine, they can't that effectively or consistently. So is it the failure halves, is it their failure in that position/style, or is it failure the team style/structure....not sure? (ps. not bashing SK either, just thinking out loud)

but to me, we would score a hell of a lot more points if jarryd Hayne was convinced to don the 6 jersey and be given the keys to city to just run the team.....
to me its time....and this might solve the issue that you're talking about RE: our halves....i believe it can

Totally agree! Putting Jarryd in the no.6 is a desperate move but we are desperate situation so it needs to be done otherwise we will not score with the current halves that we have.

A few times against melb I noticed that there was a back line set and we had an overlap. Yet Mortimer opted to pass it to the first optional decoy player. His vision is Freakn rubbish. Hopeless.
 

True EEL

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Totally agree! Putting Jarryd in the no.6 is a desperate move but we are desperate situation so it needs to be done otherwise we will not score with the current halves that we have.

A few times against melb I noticed that there was a back line set and we had an overlap. Yet Mortimer opted to pass it to the first optional decoy player. His vision is Freakn rubbish. Hopeless.

i take your point about desperation, but to me its not desperate as much as what i can see as a natural progression for Jarryd....he has the potential to make a switch as successful as Lockyer IMHO :shock: When i was younger i thought i knew better than Wayne Bennett.....'what the hell is he moving Lockyer to 6 for?' How wrong i was.....

as good as he is running the ball, he can be, and has the potential to be more consistently, even better using the football to create attacking opportunities - Jarryd does have vision and the ability to put the ball where he wants, either by pass, kick or running the ball, he could be dynamic at 6 and take us to the next level!!!

mate, i understand your frustration with Morts, and he is taking the wrong, or less effective option too much still. But i would arge that he does have some vision, but he simply makes the wrong choice too often

i still think he will come good though, but at the moment, he is not ready to be the domiant playmaker, and may never be....which is why he is struggling because right now (apart from Jarryd setting up tries) he is expected to be the dominant playmaker....Robson is offering so little right now :(

6. Hayne
7. Mortimer

this might be the way to go IMHO, and Morts could simply feed Jarryd the ball (much like he does now anyway) and be the supporting playmaker who runs the forwards around, but submits to Jarryd when the big play is needed
 

hybrideel

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So Wenty has Murray on a 5 man bench and we have no 2nd hooker in firsts.
What are the odds on Murray being brought in at half with Robson being used as the 2nd hooker?
 

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