Eels team v Dogs

[True EEL]

So Wenty has Murray on a 5 man bench and we have no 2nd hooker in firsts.
What are the odds on Murray being brought in at half with Robson being used as the 2nd hooker?

mate, that's very possible, and i wondered the same thing.....it seems odd

as much as i would love to see Jarryd go to 6, it could even be more possible to see Murray given a shot this week or sometime soon???

Robson is more suited to hooker anyway and is solid in defence, i agree that something is up, or something is in the air about the halves/hooker situation this week..........?
and SK certainly seems to be revelling in the 'let's make some sneaky late changes that no one will ever suspect' mode right now lol :lol:

said in another thread i'm not sure what the situation legally is with Murray, but would love to see him get a run, he is a genuine halfback and Robson is just not cutting it right now

 

[BigErn]

I understand that most teams have a backrower standing inside their centre, but this doesn't mean they are a damaging wide-running backrower. When I think of wide running backrowers, I think of Dave Taylor. He purposefully targets the little men on the fringes and runs directly to the sideline every time he gets the ball.

I'm all for occasionally having Horo or Lasalo or Ben Smith out wide and using them in the backline, but I don't think it should be built into our structure on every play. For once I'd like to see them come in field and chew up some metres. I'd like to see them running the decoy line so that the outside backs can do what they're supposed to do best.

If Ben Smith was inside Loko, he'd barely ever see the ball, much like dave taylor stifling Inglis at souths. If there are two wide-running backrowers in every single team, who is the second for souths?? They might have a guy who stands out wide, but more often than not he will run back inside, or stay out of the play all together so farrell and merrit can be on the end of the play.

In our team especially, I feel that too often Horo and Lasalo are just getting in the way. Hayne has ran out of space on at least 4 or 5 occasions this year. The two times Lasalo has broken the line this year, he was hitting the angle back in to the play. This is my idea of a backrower. He should be a member of the forward pack, not the backline. He should be heading in field and drawing defenders in from the sideline. This will allow hayne and especially mortimer (stop bagging him - twice he's put lasalo in the hole) to opt for the backrower or hit the out ball for our centres.

I've gotta admit, it hasnt helped that Horo has been woeful in the last 2 weeks.

 

[Eels Dude]

Hayne doesn't NEED to be moved to 5'8th... but he does ned to play a more roaming role than he's allowed to at the moment. Kearney keeps saying that we can't rely on Jarryd all the time and we need the other players to ball play too... but they can't. They don't have the ability too. It's a waste playing Hayne the way he is being used at the moment.

 

[yy_cheng]

If Ben Smith was inside Loko, he'd barely ever see the ball, much like dave taylor stifling Inglis at souths. If there are two wide-running backrowers in every single team, who is the second for souths?? .

Sam Burgess

 

[Eels Dude]

Sam Burgess

He hits it up the middle a fair bit too though. Somethingn our backrowers should be allowed to do. Especially Horo.

 

[Bazal]

Jake, for all the back and fourth on this subject i have been involved in, that is a fair comment

and i agree that they can on their day, but at the moment for mine, they can't that effectively or consistently. So is it the failure halves, is it their failure in that position/style, or is it failure the team style/structure....not sure? (ps. not bashing SK either, just thinking out loud)

but to me, we would score a hell of a lot more points if jarryd Hayne was convinced to don the 6 jersey and be given the keys to city to just run the team.....
to me its time....and this might solve the issue that you're talking about RE: our halves....i believe it can

I still have no idea where people get the idea of Hayne being the saviour in the halves. He's not a playmaker, he's a quality player who can run a few "go to" plays but who is generally much better working off others rather than creating for them. Not to mention his form in his preferred position is terrible so why would he do well in a position he admits he doesn't like?

I'll tell you who would do a good job though? Especially in terms of putting players into holes and guiding the side around the park. There's a bloke in our side who has played a playmaking role at NRL, ESL, Origin and International level. And he's won a premiership. Sometimes from 6, sometimes from 7, and sometimes from 9 (and even a bit of lock). His name is Casey McGuire....

 

[True EEL]

don't argue with you Bazal about McGuire being a capable 6 or 7.....certainly
but i do see things differently RE: Hayne, he is and can be a playmaker

 

[Poupou Escobar]

don't argue with you Bazal about McGuire being a capable 6 or 7.....certainly
but i do see things differently RE: Hayne, he is and can be a playmaker

Hayne is a playmaker - the best at our club.

Leaving him at fullback he can attack both sides of the field (and he does), as well as run the ball a lot more.

 

[Bazal]

I think Hayne is a playmaker in the same way Luke Burt or Brett Hodgson were at the back for us. He can put on a play, sure, but he's not a genuine playmaker in terms of being a half. Plus, as mentioned, he's more effective from the back popping up everywhere rather than being put into a structure.

 

[True EEL]

Hayne is a playmaker - the best at our club.

Leaving him at fullback he can attack both sides of the field (and he does), as well as run the ball a lot more.

this is what annoys me about the modern game and the modern structure....as a 5/8 there should be nothing stopping him from attacking both sides of the field....instead of this right and left crap...

also, how much use is he going to be after getting smacked bringing the ball back from Fullback all night on the first tackle and then being expected to put on all our plays on the 5th and 6th tackles...??!

you saw what he can do against the Dogs before the brain snap - playing as second receiver (aka 5/8 in Rugby League v. 1.0) - i say go all out and play him there fulltime.....

help me Jarryd 1 Kenobi.....you're our only hope.....

 

[yy_cheng]

this is what annoys me about the modern game and the modern structure....as a 5/8 there should be nothing stopping him from attacking both sides of the field....instead of this right and left crap...

also, how much use is he going to be after getting smacked bringing the ball back from Fullback all night on the first tackle and then being expected to put on all our plays on the 5th and 6th tackles...??!

you saw what he can do against the Dogs before the brain snap - playing as second receiver (aka 5/8 in Rugby League v. 1.0) - i say go all out and play him there fulltime.....

help me Jarryd 1 Kenobi.....you're our only hope.....

the left and right crap are for teams with crap halves.

I am sure Benji attacks from both sides.

I've been bantering on about Hayne at 6 since last year.

As gould said, Parra should get the ball to Hayne as soon as possible.

I can't understand why people say he'll be tired from tackling all day. You get tired from running around all over the park and as you said, make hitups against 3 defenders.

I reckon Hayne is a much better defender than Benji but Benji can play 6? I hardly see Benji knackered

 

[True EEL]

the left and right crap are for teams with crap halves.

I am sure Benji attacks from both sides.

I've been bantering on about Hayne at 6 since last year.

As gould said, Parra should get the ball to Hayne as soon as possible.

I can't understand why people say he'll be tired from tackling all day. You get tired from running around all over the park and as you said, make hitups against 3 defenders.

I reckon Hayne is a much better defender than Benji but Benji can play 6? I hardly see Benji knackered

yeah, i seem to remember you being another one with me around mid last year suggesting this potential move of Jarryd to 6....to me it just has to happen and soon!!!

glad u agree about this halves only playing one saide business, i think its crap too....and i also see we agree about him having to use just as much energy - if not more - at fullback as he would at 5/8...i mean as it stands now, its like he is playing in 2 positions fullback and 5/8 during the one game, surely he cant sustain that long-term....Jarryd to 6....

 

[yy_cheng]

yeah, i seem to remember you being another one with me around mid last year suggesting this potential move of Jarryd to 6....to me it just has to happen and soon!!!

glad u agree about this halves only playing one saide business, i think its crap too....and i also see we agree about him having to use just as much energy - if not more - at fullback as he would at 5/8...i mean as it stands now, its like he is playing in 2 positions fullback and 5/8 during the one game, surely he cant sustain that long-term....Jarryd to 6....

further to that, I have been saying that when hayne plays the 2nd receiver role from 1, we lose out on the support play of the 1.

Hayne just needs to get the ball as much as Benji does. Yeah, he'll find it hard at first as he wouldn't know what to do getting so much ball but over time, he'll get it. Hayne can play what's in front of him. He can look for weaknesses in the defense and attack it.

Mortz and Robbo plays pre-meditated. Especially Mortz. He either throws a hospital to a 2nd rower (poor Horo and last year poor Benny) or he throws a 2nd play ball to Hayne.

He doesn't run to the line and step nor throw a long ball nor slide a little grubber in.

He throws those 2 passes and a bomb and his famous kick to the fullback/winger.

Everything he does is pre-meditated as he has no vision. The break he did make yesterday was because it was a defensive confusion.

It will take time but I really really would train Hayne as a 6.

As everyone has pointed out, there are not many 7's on the market. But a decent 1 is easier to find. As in another post, D. Boyd albeit won't happen would mean a spine of

1. Boyd
6. Hayne
10. Mannah
9. Casey
8. Fui

Now that really is strong.

Lastly, Hayne must kick in the opposition 20

 

[True EEL]

further to that, I have been saying that when hayne plays the 2nd receiver role from 1, we lose out on the support play of the 1.

Hayne just needs to get the ball as much as Benji does. Yeah, he'll find it hard at first as he wouldn't know what to do getting so much ball but over time, he'll get it. Hayne can play what's in front of him. He can look for weaknesses in the defense and attack it.

Mortz and Robbo plays pre-meditated. Especially Mortz. He either throws a hospital to a 2nd rower (poor Horo and last year poor Benny) or he throws a 2nd play ball to Hayne.

He doesn't run to the line and step nor throw a long ball nor slide a little grubber in.

He throws those 2 passes and a bomb and his famous kick to the fullback/winger.

Everything he does is pre-meditated as he has no vision. The break he did make yesterday was because it was a defensive confusion.

It will take time but I really really would train Hayne as a 6.

As everyone has pointed out, there are not many 7's on the market. But a decent 1 is easier to find. As in another post, D. Boyd albeit won't happen would mean a spine of

1. Boyd
6. Hayne
10. Mannah
9. Casey
8. Fui

Now that really is strong.

Lastly, Hayne must kick in the opposition 20

nice post, especially the bolded scetion....and playing Burt at fullback would strengthen this aspect of our team's play

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You merkins have no idea.

But it's nice that you're agreeing with each other.