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Eels V. Chooks Trial at Bluetongue: Game Thread

ShaunC

Juniors
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I think the Eels game plan was nothing more than throw the ball around a bit and see what happens.

Mateo was good and he and Kris Keating seem to have a nice little combination going. Tahu did some good things in the first half. Fui Fui was motoring on half speed. Hindy was Hindy.

I'm not worried as I go the feeling Anderson was foxing with how the team played. Try a few things here and there but telegraph nothing major in the way of game plans.
 

Ant

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Trials are exactly that trials. They are a chance to try things when the result doesn't matter. Unlimited interchange as well.

If you knew your team played a trial at full strength (and simulated NRL conditions) and were really trying to win, and still got belted then you may need to worry. But usually no team is doing this and the teams that usually take trials more seriously are the teams that went poorly last year.

I went to a coaches seminars 2 years ago with NRL coaching staff and they talked about how they plan training and when to peak etc. As a result they said never ever worry about trial form, because the two sides could be at very different stages of their training schedule and the two sides might be also trialing very different things.

For example a team could be using the game as part of an extremely heavy training schedule (meaning they have been hammering them in training) and want to look at them playing under extreme fatigue.

So its great that the footy is here, but quite simply teams don't have any need to win trials.
I think the biggest bonus of trials is coming through them with a clean bill of health.

Even peaking for round 1 is not particularly important, as our season last year showed. But Round 1 does count.
But then again the warriors won the first two games last year and people were calling them a chance.

But I guess if people didn't make grand (if not ridiculous) statements on team's chances based on trials or even the first NRL 5 games, forums would be a lot more boring.

But once again I will go with the words I've heard from NRL coaching staff in person. Trials don't matter.
 

natheel

Coach
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ahell its only a trial....(sounds familiar) we usually dont go great in our trials anyway and have a slow start to the season....not worried
 

Ant

Juniors
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Simple fact trials don't matter, as long as you don't get injuries.

Unless the trials were played under NRL conditions with both sides top teams who had prepared properly there is no reason to take much notice of results.

They aren't played like that:
- its unlimited interchange
- usually the best players are the one's who play the least minutes;
- usually they are trialing new combinations and new players;
- the team will never be trained to peak for a trial;
- often in fact teams can be under heavy training and coaching staff are watching how players react in a game under extreme fatigue;
- the two teams are often at very different stages of their training schedule
- usually teams that had poor season the year before are likely to be pushing harder in trials, because more players will be playing for spots than a settled contender. So for your best players it is simply an opportunity to ease into a full contact game.
- the game counts for nothing.
- squads of 20 - 25 or more are being used, and often contain plenty of players who will not be in the 17 round 1. I reckon there were about 7 or 8 guys who played tonight who won't play round 1.

But its our first chance to cheer, whinge, debate for the new year, so we get carried away.
2 years ago I went through coaching updates with 2 seperate NRL coaching staffs. Both told us never to be worried by trials, because of the above reasons and more. That came from head and assistant coaches.

I think with the eels to, unless someone has been extremely horrible in the trials or through injury like Ben smith the round 1 17 or 18 is pretty settled. There is probably a spot open for a backrower.

Hayne, Burt, Tahu, Reddy, Grothe, Mortimer, Robson,
Cayless, Keating, Moi Moi, Hindmarsh, Shackleton, Mateo
Keating, Poore, Mannah plus one more out of possibly Oake, Horo, Robinson or Lasalo you'd think.
Inu 18th man.

Who starts and who is where in that 18 is debatable, but I will be shocked if 16 of those 18 players is not in the 17 that run out for round 1 barring new injuries.

Anyway hopefully round 1 is good, but titles are not won or lost in the first 5 games of the season either.
 

hybrideel

Bench
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4,101
Ok my thoughts on the game.
Ball handling was terrible. A lot of dropped ball and only a few of them were from pushing passes.
Defence out wide was terrible on both sides of the field. The roosters probably could've scored half a dozen more tries out there.
Humble was pretty ordinary at fullback. Got outjumped terribly for one of the roosters tries. not sure who it was coming through but humble just stood grounded and watched the roosters plyer leap over him for the ball. He was out of position quite a few times ond only luck and a bad pass prevented 2 more roosters tries.

Now the positives. I think the rookie forwards did pretty well. All the young guys held their own and will be more than handy replacements if called on through the season.
KK went pretty well and it seemed to me that he was leading the team around and Robson was playing more of a supporting role.
Robsons kicking game has improved. found space in most of his kicks and put a couple of well placed bombs up as well.
Tahu looked good with the limited opportunities
On a side note i think Carney is in for a big year. He tore us apart
 

hybrideel

Bench
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Ok my thoughts on the game.
Ball handling was woeful. Dropped balls everywhere and only a few from pushed passes.
Defence out wide on both sides of the field was highly ordinary. The roosters could've scored half a dozen more tries if they went wide more often.
Tom humble has a pretty bad game at fullback. was caught out of position quite a few times with only luck and a bad pass preventing 2 tries. For one of the roosters tries he just stood grounded and watched one of the roosters players leap over him to catch the ball and score. made no effort whatsoever to get the ball.

Now the positives

The young forwards more than held their own out there. They will all be more than handy backups if called on through the season.
KK was very lively and looked to be running the show out there with Robson taking more of a supporting role.
Robsons kicking seems to have improved a fair amount. A lot of his clearing kicks found space and he put in a few well placed bombs as well.

On a side note i think Carney is in for a big year if he can behave himself. He tore us apart out there
 

hybrideel

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i'm trying to post my thoughts on the game however my posts keep disappearing when i submit it and when i try again it tells me i can't post a duplicate. I'll try again in a few minutes
 

hybrideel

Bench
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4,101
Ok my thoughts on the game.
Ball handling was woeful. Dropped balls everywhere and only a few from pushed passes.
Defence out wide on both sides of the field was highly ordinary. The roosters could've scored half a dozen more tries if they went wide more often.
Tom humble has a pretty bad game at fullback. was caught out of position quite a few times with only luck and a bad pass preventing 2 tries. For one of the roosters tries he just stood grounded and watched one of the roosters players leap over him to catch the ball and score. made no effort whatsoever to get the ball.

Now the positives

The young forwards more than held their own out there. They will all be more than handy backups if called on through the season.
KK was very lively and looked to be running the show out there with Robson taking more of a supporting role.
Robsons kicking seems to have improved a fair amount. A lot of his clearing kicks found space and he put in a few well placed bombs as well.

On a side note i think Carney is in for a big year if he can behave himself. He tore us apart out there
 

Runaround Man

Juniors
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Positives:
Oake very good - bit of a Chad Robinson look about him
KK and Robson - good, slick - working well together
Reddy - good as always
Burt - good, solid as always
Fui - well he IS Fui!

Tahu - had a few good early touches and involvement, but less and less as the game went on - to be honest - a bit disappointing.

Carney sliced right through J Wright and Inu with sheer pace. Made them both look pretty poor.
Feleti looked dangerous when on - still a few errors though
MK looked good when on
Humble looked promising but just didn't quite click tonight.
Hindmarsh clearly wasn't seeking full body contact - passed the ball many times before the defensive line.

I hope DA has got it all under control
 

Nikki

Coach
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I would seriously love to see the penalty count from tonight. We musta had about 5 or 6 in a row 20 out from the try line and just couldnt do anything with it. I was getting quite frustrated with it, and I wouldnt be surprised if Ando had something to say about it.

Pele had another great game for mine. I am now adopting him as my new favourite player. Isnt he just soooo lucky. Lol. The ground annoucer even made the comment "Rabs is gunna have a field day with his name is he plays some NRL games" :lol:
 

bartman

Immortal
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Here's my take on the Gosford trial, for what it's worth.

Wests looked pretty good against a disjointed Sharks side. I'd have a punt on Wests being fringe top 8, and Cronulla in the bottom 4.

Easts played quite well. They seemed to be doing a lot of interchanges early on and it struck me as a bit strange, but they kept their momentum pretty consistently through the match. I noticed Carney playing quite well from fullback, and Cherrington going ok before he had a leg injury in front of us and was wheeled off.

OK, now onto the Eels...

Brendan Oake
surprised me and had a great first half starting in the second row alongside Hindy. Good defence, strong runs, sensible passing - if he showed this form last year he would have had Lowrie's spot easily. Hindy might have picked up an injury, but struggled through in his usual way until half time. Horo and Lasalo were the second row for the second half, and to be honest I don't think either are quite up to first grade level just yet. Maybe give them both another year before they get in the mix for the top 17? Oake looks like he should be next in the pecking order after Hindy, and the injured Shackleton and Smith.

Mannah and Fuifui were starting props, with Cayless and Pele Peletelese off the bench. Fuifui was solid but was maybe leaving some petrol in the tank for round 1, which is OK. Mannah and Cayless went just OK enough given it was a trial, but I hope they bring a little more come round 1. Pele Peletelese was impressive, has a good size but is fit with it and played lots of minutes. Most impressive was that he kept taking the ball up with energy at the end even when the result was in the tin. I reckon he'll be in the mix for first grade at some stage this year.

Kris Keating was quite impressive I thought, and had a busy all round game. He and Robson looked like they had split into left side and right side playmakers, rather than a half and a five-eighth. Keating put in a few handy kicks and to be honest I didn't really notice Mortimer wasn't there? So it'll be interesting to see who DA chooses for starting halves combination, all three deserve a spot in the 17 imo.

Matt Keating was hooker in the first half and went OK. Anthony Mitchell was hooker in the second half, and I felt he struggled at this level. I reckon Mitchell will be fifth in line for those 3-4 playmaker spots. Mateo looks like he's still getting back to match fitness, and he played the first half and I was pleased to see him put back on at the the tail end of the second half. I'm sure that like Fuifui, he'll bring more in his kit bag come round 1.

Tom Humble played fullback for 70 minutes and then in the halves for 10 minutes when Burt replaced Robson. I saw nothing special at all, and I'd say he's a year away from really being up to or in the mix for first grade. I wish him well, and look forward to watching him develop this year in our lower grades.

Burt and Tahu played on the left and had a good combination going in the first half. Tahu played the whole game and was a bit puffed - I think it will take him a while to get used to the heavy contact of league again, and maybe also the pace and complexity of the backline movements compared to union. Etu took Burt's place for the second half, and really seems just an emergency shadow player as far as first grade is concerned, Burt has a good footy brain and his place in the team is very safe.

Reddy lined up in the centres with Inu on the wing on the right. Reddy had a good and confident half, getting involved and taking on the opposition and I think (if he hadn't already) has earned a starting centre spot. Wright played centre in the second half and looked lost, with a few bad defensive reads resulting in tries. In the final ten minutes Inu swapped into the centres and looked a little more capable while Wright finished on the wing. Inu kicked off/kicked goals while Burt was off, and while he's likely to miss out in round 1 I think he'll be first on the backline pecking order (above Wright, Humble and Etu).

No Poore (surprisingly?), and no Mortimer, Shackleton, Hayne, Grothe or Smith.

My predicted Round 1 line-up:

1. Hayne
2. Burt
3. Tahu
4. Reddy
5. Grothe
6. Mortimer
7. Robson
8. Cayless
9. M Keating
10. Moimoi
11. Hindmarsh
12. Shackleton
13. Mateo
14. K Keating
15. Poore
16. Mannah
17. Oake
18. Inu
Injured: Smith

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Guys who might get a small taste of first grade this year if injuries strike:

Peletelese (pick of the Wenty-level guys imo)
Horo
Lasalo
Mitchell
Humble
Wright
Etu
 

big boppa eel

Juniors
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I was there last night, alot of u can laugh this off as a trial, but let me tell u guys who think this means nothing, tonight we were terrible looked uninterested and paper thin defence everytime they went down Inu and Reddys wing they scored and understand this was not our 1st grade team but with the comp being 2 weeks away let f**ken hope we dont have a sh*t load of injuries because if we do we are way up sh*t creek as depth appears very very limited, by the way wasnt it a trial for the Roosters? they seemed up to it, special mention to KK
 

Twizzle

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I think our ploy to lower the other teams into a sense of false security is working well
 
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