Election thread V2.0

[Gronk]

Eels chief urged 'to come to his senses'
By Ian McCullough
AAP

Former Parramatta great Terry Leabeater has urged Denis Fitzgerald to show he has the club's best interests at heart to allow changes to take place at the troubled NRL club.
Fitzgerald's 30-year reign at the Eels is almost certain to come to an end after a bitter leagues' club election campaign on Sunday that saw the rebel 3P group win control over the current seven-man board.
The group have also been backed by Eels legends Brett Kenny, Ray Price and Eric Grothe Senior and Leabeater said change cannot come quick enough for a club who last tasted premiership success in 1986.
Two of the current directors, former players Geoff Gerard and Ron Hilditch, remain on the leagues board for now because the club's constitution states it must have at least three representatives from the football club.
However, the new board want to bring in a mandate to remove Hilditch and Gerard at the club's AGM on May 5.
"It is nothing against Geoff and Ron but the members have voted for a mandate that there should be a clear change .. and that is what they should get," said Leabeater.
Parramatta's NRL and Toyota Cup teams are currently ruled by the leagues club with the football club controlling the NSW Cup, SG Ball and Parramatta Junior League teams.
The 3P group want to return all the football teams under the one umbrella.
"It will definitely happen, the NRL club will become part of the football club, but it has to be voted on by the board and it has to be done in a way that doesn't hurt the club," Leabeater said.
"There are a lot of corporate people who want to come to the club but won't in its current situation.
"Our aim is to put the football club back to where it was before, with a winning formula .. this comes from having a winning atmosphere among the players, the coaches and the club."
Leabeater blamed Fitzgerald for saddling the leagues club with debt, reported to be in the region of $20m, and said he wanted the family atmosphere that was so prevalent at the club in the 1980s to return.
"I don't think there is a winning feeling around the place ... Feleti Mateo came out and said it doesn't affect the players ... but it has got to when there is doubts cast about the club's future.
"It is a family we are talking about ... and their working future and that is pretty much why we are running against Denis and the board as there is too much debt in the club.
"Change is good and I hope Denis comes to his senses and allows the change to be voted on at AGM as this will be the turning point for the club's future.
"If he doesn't then it is going to cost a lot of money as we will have to call and extraordinary general meeting to get this over the line."


Posted:Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:46:53

http://www.nrl.com/News/Latest/tabid/10244/default.aspx?id=54627

 

[bartman]

"It is nothing against Geoff and Ron but the members have voted for a mandate that there should be a clear change .. and that is what they should get," said Leabeater.

That's bollocks imo, just quietly.

Neithe rside informed voting members adequately of the rules of the election, and teh Special Qualification in the constitution. Bit rich to then turn around and claim a mandate for changing the constitution when no-one was informed in the first place.

Hapy for them to move the NRL responsibilities back under the FC, as that is something I've agreed with 3P on since last year. But they don't need to remove Hilditch and Gerard to do that, as both of them also serve on the FC anyway, so you'd think having them stay on the LC would be advantageous to that goal.

Reading between the lines it seems like Denis has explained to Terry that you simply can't change the Constitution in retrospect, and alter the rules under which the election had been conducted after the results are in.

 

[fish eel]

3P said they would try this on before the election.

I'm pretty certain Terry said it in the other thread on a few occasions.

 

[bartman]

I'd just rather they put their immediate energy into the books and coming up with the financial strategies, rather than seeking headlines and going after the ego boost, to be honest.

7-0 or 5-2 makes no practical difference, and having 2 others on there may help 3P avoid the criticisms levelled at the 7 previous Directors by giving them the incentive to actively communicate with the membership, rather than being happy keeping things in-house or lazily in some inner sanctum.

 

[fish eel]

I'd just rather they put their immediate energy into the books and coming up with the financial strategies, rather than seeking headlines and going after the ego boost, to be honest.

7-0 or 5-2 makes no practical difference, and having 2 others on there may help 3P avoid the criticisms levelled at the 7 previous Directors by giving them the incentive to actively communicate with the membership, rather than being happy keeping things in-house or lazily in some inner sanctum.

Can't do that until after the AGM, because I dont think they will be directors until then.

 

[bartman]

Well... they should be making themselves busy otherwise then, doing something constructive in preparation rather than this unnecessary folly, imo.

 

[planeteels]

They have a majority.. what is the difference??

And personally.. I don't mind having a couple of the old heads remain on the ride.. it's all about balance.. no use having 7 'Yes Men' and nobody to challenge it..

The fact that 3P ran as a GROUP.. would mean that they AGREE as a group.. which worries me about anyone challenging anything enough to get people to consider the bigger picture..

 

[SDM]

I disagree. If you flush the toilet, and not everything has gone, you flush again.

 

[planeteels]

I disagree. If you flush the toilet, and not everything has gone, you flush again.

But sometimes.. Flushing just isn't enough to make sure the germs are controlled.. you need something more than just a Flush.. you need a Toilet Duck type Cleaner to balance what the flushing has done.

Not having genuine opponents with differing views is very much akin to Dictatorship !!! Nobody can honestly say that a Group/Party with absolute and unchallenged authority would remain impartial or able to look outside the square of their Groups vision/policies..

Imagine a Labor or Liberal Government left unchallenged by opposing views or opinion?? Doesn't matter how flawed their ideals are.. cos there would be nobody to raise the questions before the vote.

In an I.T sense.. it would be very similar to a Programmer being made responsible for Testing his/her own work.. Far from Ideal and most definitely pointless.

 

[Gronk]

But sometimes.. Flushing just isn't enough to make sure the germs are controlled.. you need something more than just a Flush.. you need a Toilet Duck type Cleaner to balance what the flushing has done.

Not having genuine opponents with differing views is very much akin to Dictatorship !!! Nobody can honestly say that a Group/Party with absolute and unchallenged authority would remain impartial or able to look outside the square of their Groups vision/policies..

Imagine a Labor or Liberal Government left unchallenged by opposing views or opinion?? Doesn't matter how flawed their ideals are.. cos there would be nobody to raise the questions before the vote.

In an I.T sense.. it would be very similar to a Programmer being made responsible for Testing his/her own work.. Far from Ideal and most definitely pointless.

Agree. As Don Chip would say, you need someone there to keep the bastards honest.

 

[planeteels]

Obviously.. by my comments above.. you can tell that I will vote against the idea.

In fact, in 2 years time, the current Rule could actually prove useful for 3p.... What is there to say that people will be happy with 3P at the next election.. having the rule might even allow for any serving 3p members to gain automatic qualification to the LC board meaning that there are a couple of spots that they potentially don't have to worry about winning...

I think the idea is crazy ...

 

[fish eel]

Obviously.. by my comments above.. you can tell that I will vote against the idea.

In fact, in 2 years time, the current Rule could actually prove useful for 3p.... What is there to say that people will be happy with 3P at the next election.. having the rule might even allow for any serving 3p members to gain automatic qualification to the LC board meaning that there are a couple of spots that they potentially don't have to worry about winning...

I think the idea is crazy ...

I thought ther only 3P FC board member who is also a LC member is John Chidiac?

 

[planeteels]

I thought ther only 3P FC board member who is also a LC member is John Chidiac?

that's right..

but what I am talking about is next election.. at the next election there is nothing to say that there won't be additional 3p members who are eligible...

 

[bartman]

Especially since the FC election preceeds the LC election by several months, the 3P endorsed directors of the FC (and their eligible membership of the LC) may be different to this time.

 

[SDM]

But sometimes.. Flushing just isn't enough to make sure the germs are controlled.. you need something more than just a Flush.. you need a Toilet Duck type Cleaner to balance what the flushing has done.

Not having genuine opponents with differing views is very much akin to Dictatorship !!! Nobody can honestly say that a Group/Party with absolute and unchallenged authority would remain impartial or able to look outside the square of their Groups vision/policies..

Imagine a Labor or Liberal Government left unchallenged by opposing views or opinion?? Doesn't matter how flawed their ideals are.. cos there would be nobody to raise the questions before the vote.

In an I.T sense.. it would be very similar to a Programmer being made responsible for Testing his/her own work.. Far from Ideal and most definitely pointless.

Dont need to imagine, thats how we ended up with that work choices garbage. Point taken.

 

[Suitman]

I lost count of the number of people who over the past few weeks said they couldn't wait until the election was over so we could all just get on with doing what we all do best.........supporting the Eels.

I'm still hoping that will happen.

Suity

 

[Stagger eel]

I lost count of the number of people who over the past few weeks said they couldn't wait until the election was over so we could all just get on with doing what we all do best.........supporting the Eels.

I'm still hoping that will happen.

Suity

i agree...

go you mighty eels...you pack of nuffies!!!!!! :crazy:

 

[bartman]

Just waiting on 3P to take the lead in that Suit, by dropping this strange attempt to retrospectively change the constitution with regard to the election result (as outlined in the story posted to start this thread) and instead showing their will to move forward as a united Board and club.

Supporting the Eels regardless of election result was a no brainer for many, but the hope was also that 3P would drop the politicking and do the same.

 

[Suitman]

Just waiting on 3P to take the lead in that Suit, by dropping this strange attempt to retrospectively change the constitution with regard to the election result (as outlined in the story posted to start this thread) and instead showing their will to move forward as a united Board and club.

Supporting the Eels regardless of election result was a no brainer for many, but the hope was also that 3P would drop the politicking and do the same.

Why don't you take a lead and make a stance, instead of politicising everything?
I'm with you Stagger, Go the Eels!!!

Suity

 

[fish eel]

Just waiting on 3P to take the lead in that Suit, by dropping this strange attempt to retrospectively change the constitution with regard to the election result (as outlined in the story posted to start this thread) and instead showing their will to move forward as a united Board and club.

Supporting the Eels regardless of election result was a no brainer for many, but the hope was also that 3P would drop the politicking and do the same.

They didnt drop it Bart, they said before the election it was their intention.

Now all us members have a choice as to whether or not to turn up at the AGM and to vote for or against this....