Ex Parra Prop Belted

[Bulldog Force]

Read my post above. Who are these people? No attribution = no credit.

Have you heard of people wanting to remain anonymous?

 

[skeepe]

Have you heard of people wanting to remain anonymous?

Sure. Then you say "One witness said..." and then quote them, you don't just put a "some people say..." for all we know, the some people could be Dean Ritche himself, or someone who wasn't there just speculating.

 

[Tom Ace]

It's not their go

 

[El Diablo]

culture

 

[mickdo]

he has 2 witnesses why not make a police complaint....

In GF week, and make it the story instead of the game? :crazy:

 

[Bulldog Force]

Sure. Then you say "One witness said..." and then quote them, you don't just put a "some people say..." for all we know, the some people could be Dean Ritche himself, or someone who wasn't there just speculating.

Why do they need to specifically say "One witness said" - especially considering "some" is more than "one witness".

 

[Danish]

Because if they are a witness then it lends credibility to their opinion.


The phrase "some people say twigs go to hell" has about as much credibility as the line in that article

 

[skeepe]

Exactly. I could say "Some people believe that Timmah is the dumbest person on the planet" and never, ever have to back that up.

It's a way of raising a point without evidence, hence the term "weasel words"

 

[The General]

Forgetting the line about witnesses what about Leadbeater saying

"It was a misunderstanding and not even related to the footy.

Sounds like he has an idea of what provoked the attack. Why didn't he elaborate on that instead of leaving it open to so mich speculation?

 

[The General]

Actually reading things again it does imply these people were witnesses.

Onlookers said the attackers were Bulldogs supporters.

Some claim the fans were not entirely to blame for the flare-up.

It seems the ones who claimed they weren't entirely to blaim were the onlookers who also claimed they were Bulldogs supporters.

So if you want to dismiss the line about them claiming they weren't to blame as bullsh*t, you may as well dismiss the line about them being Bulldogs supporters since they seem to have come from the same people.

 

[Bulldog Force]

Because if they are a witness then it lends credibility to their opinion.


The phrase "some people say twigs go to hell" has about as much credibility as the line in that article

Exactly. I could say "Some people believe that Timmah is the dumbest person on the planet" and never, ever have to back that up.

It's a way of raising a point without evidence, hence the term "weasel words"

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showpost.php?p=6157391&postcount=30

 

[carcharias]

we all know the truth without even hearing it.

 

[mickdo]

Actually reading things again it does imply these people were witnesses.

It seems the ones who claimed they weren't entirely to blaim were the onlookers who also claimed they were Bulldogs supporters.

So if you want to dismiss the line about them claiming they weren't to blame as bullsh*t, you may as well dismiss the line about them being Bulldogs supporters since they seem to have come from the same people.

No, it doesn't imply they were witnesses. They could have been onlookers after they got out of the lift, when it was all over for all we know.

It also does not state that the same onlookers who identified them as Bulldog supporters said they weren't entirely to blame. That could have a been a totally different group of onlookers.

You should also realise that "weren't entirely to blame" does not equal "blameless".

Far too many assumptions being made about this whole thing IMO, from about as vaguely written an article as you can get these days.

 

[The General]

No, it doesn't imply they were witnesses. They could have been onlookers after they got out of the lift, when it was all over for all we know.

Which is part of the reason this article is ridiculous. It doesn't give any details about what happened in the lift. Is it not in the realms of possibility that Leadbeater did/said something to provoke an attack? Maybe Leadbeater should have been a bit more specific to give his story more merit.

It also does not state that the same onlookers who identified them as Bulldog supporters said they weren't entirely to blame. That could have a been a totally different group of onlookers.

Who cares which onlookers said what. Both statements are made by a group of people who were supposedly there. Why should one statement hold more weight then the other considering they were both made by anonymous people with no quotes involved.

You should also realise that "weren't entirely to blame" does not equal "blameless".

Nobody ever said otherwise. But if they weren't completely to blame it implies that some of the blame lies with Leabeater. By assualting him, these people instantly have part of the blame attached to them in this situation. But wouldn't the story look a little bit different if it turns out Leadbeater provoked an attack somehow.

All these assumptions we are making are just highlighting the lack of alot of facts which could change this story completely.

 

[Ridders]

Far too many assumptions being made about this whole thing IMO, from about as vaguely written an article as you can get these days.

Bingo

 

[mickdo]

Which is part of the reason this article is ridiculous. It doesn't give any details about what happened in the lift. Is it not in the realms of possibility that Leadbeater did/said something to provoke an attack? Maybe Leadbeater should have been a bit more specific to give his story more merit.

No it's not beyond the realms of possibility, but given that he was with two females and the history of Bulldog supporter 'incidents', surely you can understand why most people would assume that not to be the case?

Who cares which onlookers said what.

You clearly did when you said this:

So if you want to dismiss the line about them claiming they weren't to blame as bullsh*t, you may as well dismiss the line about them being Bulldogs supporters since they seem to have come from the same people.

Both statements are made by a group of people who were supposedly there. Why should one statement hold more weight then the other considering they were both made by anonymous people with no quotes involved.

Sure, but the group who said they weren't entirely to blame could have been Bulldogs supporters for all we know...

But if they weren't completely to blame it implies that some of the blame lies with Leabeater. By assualting him, these people instantly have part of the blame attached to them in this situation. But wouldn't the story look a little bit different if it turns out Leadbeater provoked an attack somehow.

And what if all Leabeater did was make a small comment that was taken the wrong way? That is no excuse to assault him and two women, end of story. And you wonder why many people take issue with the attitude of some Bulldog supporters?

All these assumptions we are making are just highlighting the lack of alot of facts which could change this story completely.

No kidding

 

[The General]

No it's not beyond the realms of possibility, but given that he was with two females and the history of Bulldog supporter 'incidents', surely you can understand why most people would assume that not to be the case?

I can understand it, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Considering the amount of bullsh*t the media has reported why shouldn't we be allowed to question the validity of this article, especially because it's so vague.

Sure, but the group who said they weren't entirely to blame could have been Bulldogs supporters for all we know...

Now who's making assumptions. The group who claimed they were Bulldogs supporters could have been Parra fans for all we know. See what I did there.

And what if all Leabeater did was make a small comment that was taken the wrong way? That is no excuse to assault him and two women, end of story. And you wonder why many people take issue with the attitude of some Bulldog supporters?

More assumptions. If it turns out that was the case then I don't think any Bulldogs fans would defend them. We are just presenting an alternate possibility. I still question why Leadbeater didn't just give his version of what happened in the lift to minimise the speculation.

 

[Raider_69]

scum club, scum fans

 

[betcats]

I wont go to bulldogs games for fear of my life, being a teenage australian supporter of another team i am jus asking for trouble.

 

[Ridders]

scum club, scum fans

Thanks for the kind words buddy.