Faf du Plessis charged with ball tampering

[vvvrulz]

Amla does have point though, it's pretty ridiculous. Where do you draw the line? Is Gatorade-saliva cheating?
It's not often we have a non-pc press conference, it's refreshingly honest.

All the useless energy wasted on crap like this should be spent on tackling match fixing, rife and blatantly ignored.

 

[El Diablo]

Do think its been blown our of proportion, but the comments from Amla were dumb.

Faf has got form for this as well, the funny thing is it's not like they need to cheat to beat us anyway.

Hansie was his hero

 

[gUt]

 

[Bazal]

Pathetic that he's even been charged tbh. Nothing incident

 

[oldmancraigy]

Is it not a fair argument to make that putting 'sticky saliva' from a lolly would make granules of dust/dirt/ whatever adhere more readily to a side of the ball, and that by diligently shining the other side one would obtain more prodigious swing?

The South African self righteous proclamation is a bit off-putting. Face they facts, Faf cheated, they got more swing and skittled us more easily.

Would they still have won? Of course. But to argue the illegal activities had nothing to do with it is more than a bit daft....

 

[mozza91]

South African mentality. They can't accept that they've done something wrong and will look to blame anyone else for their indiscretions.

 

[Bazal]

Is it not a fair argument to make that putting 'sticky saliva' from a lolly would make granules of dust/dirt/ whatever adhere more readily to a side of the ball, and that by diligently shining the other side one would obtain more prodigious swing?

That's not how swing works, and to think there is enough leftover sugar in his saliva to somehow turn the ball into some kind of dirt collecting magnet is absolutely clutching at straws. He didn't rub the lolly on the ball, he used saliva. It's absolutely no different to chewing gum and shining the ball.

The outrage is truly ridiculous

 

[Pete Cash]

Is their anything in the rules stopping bowlers from just caking their hair in pomade. it would be a bit uncomfortable i guess in a 40 degree day but over an overcast tasmanian test or an english summer it would be manageable.

Just rub the hands through the hair every so often

 

[Pete Cash]

That's not how swing works, and to think there is enough leftover sugar in his saliva to somehow turn the ball into some kind of dirt collecting magnet is absolutely clutching at straws. He didn't rub the lolly on the ball, he used saliva. It's absolutely no different to chewing gum and shining the ball.

The outrage is truly ridiculous

Isnt it to produce more saliva

To be fair to faf there are a million better ways to cheat. if the theory is that these foreign substances permeates the leather and makes the ball swell then sunscreen would do the job better than saliva imo and the players are caked in that.

Edit

Googling around it seems that bowlers used to bathe in baby oil lol or put vaseline on their pants where they shine the ball

 

[oldmancraigy]

That's not how swing works, and to think there is enough leftover sugar in his saliva to somehow turn the ball into some kind of dirt collecting magnet is absolutely clutching at straws. He didn't rub the lolly on the ball, he used saliva. It's absolutely no different to chewing gum and shining the ball.

The outrage is truly ridiculous

Dunno if you saw the clip, but the lolly is in fairly good shape when he opens his mouth, and he sticks his finger a fair way into his mouth (one might argue to touch the lolly itself)

It isn't outrage, but to suggest that there is no evidence that foul play may have been involved is fairly naive....

 

[The Mad Hatter]

2014, did South Africa not blitz the second test with prodigious reverse swing. It got brought up as suss and then in the third test it magically disappeared and Aust won?

TBH, I DGAF. Daft Du Plessis getting caught. You rub on it what you can IMHO. BUT...if you get caught on tv cameras then cop it sweet.

 

[Bazal]

Isnt it to produce more saliva

To be fair to faf there are a million better ways to cheat. if the theory is that these foreign substances permeates the leather and makes the ball swell then sunscreen would do the job better than saliva imo and the players are caked in that.

Edit

Googling around it seems that bowlers used to bathe in baby oil lol or put vaseline on their pants where they shine the ball

It is to produce more saliva but that's exactly what chewing gum does as well. Unless they ban shining the ball entirely you can't stop cricketers from sucking lollies or chewing gum. I just reckon it's a non event, Steve Smith chewing gum and shining the ball has exactly the same effect

 

[JJ]

South African mentality. They can't accept that they've done something wrong and will look to blame anyone else for their indiscretions.

Yeah, true that

Bit like the Australian one where you look for obscure non-events to take attention away from that fact you were pummelled

 

[hineyrulz]

He was caught red handed on camera, it's not a big deal IMO but the way they have carried on is laughable.

The whole press conference had the same smell of the Melbourne Storm press conference when they were caught cheating. " They doth protest to much"

 

[JJ]

It is to produce more saliva but that's exactly what chewing gum does as well. Unless they ban shining the ball entirely you can't stop cricketers from sucking lollies or chewing gum. I just reckon it's a non event, Steve Smith chewing gum and shining the ball has exactly the same effect

Yep, does seem that way - just weird ad-hoc stuff imo

 

[Twizzle]

It is to produce more saliva but that's exactly what chewing gum does as well. Unless they ban shining the ball entirely you can't stop cricketers from sucking lollies or chewing gum. I just reckon it's a non event, Steve Smith chewing gum and shining the ball has exactly the same effect

Its actually to put a sugar glaze on the ball which is an artificial substance which the rule specifically states cant be done,

Its all about the sugar not extra saliva. You've probabaly seen the old images of Dravid actually rubbing the lollies on the ball, that has nothing to do with saliva.

It seemed pretty clear what Faf was trying to do and he did it on camera as well,

 

[mozza91]

Yeah, true that

Bit like the Australian one where you look for obscure non-events to take attention away from that fact you were pummelled

I don't think anyone has done that. The team has recieved massive criticism and rightfully so.
It doesn't change the fact that Faf cheated and should be punished.

 

[Bazal]

Its actually to put a sugar glaze on the ball which is an artificial substance which the rule specifically states cant be done,

Its all about the sugar not extra saliva. You've probabaly seen the old images of Dravid actually rubbing the lollies on the ball, that has nothing to do with saliva.

It seemed pretty clear what Faf was trying to do and he did it on camera as well,

There is absolutely not enough sugar in his saliva to do that. It's a real nothing incident, the right outcome would basically be if Faf was sat down and told in no uncertain terms that the second he rubs the lolly on the ball he's gone, so be very careful, and that's it.

 

[JJ]

I don't think anyone has done that. The team has recieved massive criticism and rightfully so.
It doesn't change the fact that Faf cheated and should be punished.

Seems to be what the media has done to a degree here - this really looks a nothing incident, and wouldn't have happened without some half arsed journalist wanting story - many players chew gum and shine the ball, plus as above sunscreen

I saw Williamson chewing gum and shining the ball with saliva - should he be punished, pretty sure Smith was too?

At the end of the day what punishment do you think he deserves?

 

[Twizzle]

There is absolutely not enough sugar in his saliva to do that. It's a real nothing incident, the right outcome would basically be if Faf was sat down and told in no uncertain terms that the second he rubs the lolly on the ball he's gone, so be very careful, and that's it.

he had a lolly in his mouth and rubbed his finger on it then the ball, saliva does jack shit

if it were just saliva he wouldn't have been charged, basically you just cant do what he did