Farrell to Union...

[Polynesian Warrior]

;-) Cheers

 

[Copa]

;-) Cheers

You're welcome

 

[hutch]

Even if the league player is useless (Harris,Sailor,Paul,Roger etc) it is their investment not the clubs.
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useless??? all of the above mentioned players made their respective national teams within a year without ever having played a game of union, with the exception of rogers, who played the game at school. what does that say to all of the union players in those countries who have played professionally for years and have not made it, or even the guys that were forced out to allow these useless players in.
i would hardly call these players useless. just face it, they are bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, fitter, better footballers, better rugby players, better athletes because of their upbringing in rugby league. u live in a world of denial mate.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Even if the league player is useless (Harris,Sailor,Paul,Roger etc) it is their investment not the clubs.
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useless??? all of the above mentioned players made their respective national teams within a year without ever having played a game of union, with the exception of rogers, who played the game at school. what does that say to all of the union players in those countries who have played professionally for years and have not made it, or even the guys that were forced out to allow these useless players in.
i would hardly call these players useless. just face it, they are bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, fitter, better footballers, better rugby players, better athletes because of their upbringing in rugby league. u live in a world of denial mate.

Well lets see ! Henry Paul and Rogers have played rugby union as Jrs and made it in league .

Henry Pauls - Sign By Glouster and RFU
Iestyn Harris - Sign by Wales RFU
Wendel Sailor- Sign by ARU
Mat Rogers - Sign by ARU


There's no arguing that this guys are good league players . Seem to me this guys have already had one foot in the door before the others .

Off course league players are the most skillful athletes on the face of this earth .
Thats why I wish I had gone to church on sunday instead of watching those skillful players drop the ball after ball in the Warriors/Manly game .

I guess the Warriors must have drop alot of balls on sunday because of their rugby union upbringing . :lol:

 

[taipan]

Good Asset ! Well he didn't really help the GB rugby league much did he ? I think its the GB league team that needs help . :lol:

Which will make him brilliant for the hapless English union team.At least the GB league team with one exception was more than competitive.
The English union team (no chance of a final)is disappearing down the 6N gurgler rapidly. :lol:

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

And you guys said last year that England will win every Six Nations . England is competitive and only lost to a better team .
England have lost alot of experience players (retire , Injuries) and are trying to rebuild for the 2007 RWC .
Lets not forget that Wales and Ireland have improve 100% and as a result a very competitive Six Nations tournament this year .

Unlike Farrell and his GB team . They had the Kangaroos A B and C team (2003) in their own backyard and still can't win a series . #-o

 

[taipan]

Even if the league player is useless (Harris,Sailor,Paul,Roger etc) it is their investment not the clubs.
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useless??? all of the above mentioned players made their respective national teams within a year without ever having played a game of union, with the exception of rogers, who played the game at school. what does that say to all of the union players in those countries who have played professionally for years and have not made it, or even the guys that were forced out to allow these useless players in.
i would hardly call these players useless. just face it, they are bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, fitter, better footballers, better rugby players, better athletes because of their upbringing in rugby league. u live in a world of denial mate.

Well lets see ! Henry Paul and Rogers have played rugby union as Jrs and made it in league .

Henry Pauls - Sign By Glouster and RFU
Iestyn Harris - Sign by Wales RFU
Wendel Sailor- Sign by ARU
Mat Rogers - Sign by ARU


There's no arguing that this guys are good league players . Seem to me this guys have already had one foot in the door before the others .

Off course league players are the most skillful athletes on the face of this earth .
Thats why I wish I had gone to church on sunday instead of watching those skillful players drop the ball after ball in the Warriors/Manly game .

I guess the Warriors must have drop alot of balls on sunday because of their rugby union upbringing . :lol:

As Ricky stuart yesterday said talking on TV about Mason's interest in union.He is sick of all this going to union talk at contract time,just look at the number of reserve grade league players,playing S12,as if anyone can make it.
Wilson,Beckett,Elsom,McCrae, Thaiday ,are recent examples.
The ARU are brilliant they stuffed up on a Johns,now Justin Harrison.The ARU are not the best examples in the sporting world. ;-)

If you want to see skill ole mate watch the Melbourne Storm playing in 35degree heat , some of the best attacking skills,fitness,endurance,stifling defence,offloads,handling and of course the ball in play and continuous for the majority of the game.You can add in the Sharks,Penrith,Dogs,Broncos. Ask a Brad Thorn about the game.

 

[taipan]

And you guys said last year that England will win every Six Nations . England is competitive and only lost to a better team .
England have lost alot of experience players (retire , Injuries) and are trying to rebuild for the 2007 RWC .
Lets not forget that Wales and Ireland have improve 100% and as a result a very competitive Six Nations tournament this year .

Unlike Farrell and his GB team . They had the Kangaroos A B and C team (2003) in their own backyard and still can't win a series . #-o

Who said England would win the 6N not I.
Whilst Scotland and Italy and England have gone backwards.
Champion the England A rugby league team went close to beating the Roos in 2003.If you know anything about the 2003 series and looks like you dont,Morley was sent off in the 1st minute of play in the ist test,and the Poms played with 12 men,and were only just beaten,ditto the scores in the last 2 tests close.The Poms also had players out,I attended all tests
.The poms in the league series and the A game,were a damn side more competitive than the poms in the union 6N.
The ashes series last year the final was the only blowout.
Union has over 300,000 participants league 64,000 in pommieland.England for that quantity is going backwards in union.

 

[hutch]

throw in wycliffe palu to that list, a new star in nsw rugby union, a reserve grade dragons player who never made the top grade.
ryan mcgoldrick played 8 games for nsw waratahs, struggles to make sharks team.
milton thaiday didnt even play reserve grage league, he played in the country league on the nsw north coast. hahahahaahhahahahaha :lol:

 

[Thomas]

So???

Some players are suited to different games. Just because the NRL weren't interested in Milton Thaiday, doesn't mean he is a bad player.

A RU player from QLD who couldn't make the bench for the QLD S12 team (Richard Graham, I think) switched codes and is in the Storm squad. You don't see RU fans bleating about this.

Obviously you are a little insecure about your own sport and need to denigrate RU constantly.

 

[rugged]

Whilst Scotland and Italy and England have gone backwards.

It is the way of sport. Funny that, that every team can't come first. :roll:

There's nothing wrong with different teams finishing first - that shows a healthy competition. It's if the same team comes first over and over that there is not really a competition ie international league.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

There's another player in the Storms team that trial for Samoa rugby union and didn't make it . Now he is playing on the wing for the Storms last week .
There are gifted players out there who can play both codes . On the rugby union fields of NZ there are union second grade players who would make it in the NRL . Sione Faumuina and Motu Tony were playing in reserve grade in union in Auckland before turning out for the Warriors .

There's nothing wrong with England RFU and its great to see different teams winning at international games .
Most league fans I know wish the Kangaroo's would lose so GB and Kiwi can something .
And if or when the Kangaroos lose it won't be because they level has drop . Its because other teams have catch up .
It doesn't really matter if Morley was sent off in the first test . GB should have beaten the Kangaroo's C team .

When it comes to union teams and players you think its going backwards while league teams and players are improving or stronger .
You obviously don't see the big picture . England rugby team are rebuilding because alot of their RWC stars have retire or injured .
Had Johnson , Back , Wilkinson and Dilllaglio played this year . We would probably be discussing England's rugby team going for another grand slam this year .
But its good to see them still holding their own with alot of new players this year and the fact that three games they lost wasn't a blowout either .

The GB league team have been handed a goldern plate by playing all the ashes series and Tri-series games in their own backyard for the last couple of years .
So bloody hell they should be competitive . Who wouldn't want to be playing in front of their home fans , friends and families ?
I can't wait for the GB team to tour downunder(if they ever tour) where they will get flock by the Kangaroo's and Kiwi's .
Do you actually think that the Kangaroo's take games against England A , France and USA seriously ?
You just have to watch Willie Mason's and others impression in the USA game to see it was like touch football to them .

On the other hand the England or the British & Irish Lions rugby team have tour downunder and prove themselves to be competitive .

The ARU did the right thing with Johns . The ARU is one of the best national body in world rugby .
Because of the ARU the Wallabies have become one of the best rugby team in the world .

 

[taipan]

:lol: :lol: Some of the best spin doctoring I have ever seen.Mate I watched the Roos V England first hand, even Arthur Beetson commented on the standard of their play and the way they were taking it up to the Roos.France did not hold back and the roos didnt take it seriously ?.Yeah getting beaten by the French would be great . The USA match on astroturf ,was a less intensive game,cant argue with that.But please you are talking crap when you say the England A and French game was not taken seriously.
Again you are talking crap when the poms had 12 players and were within an inch of beating the roos in the 1st test in 2003.Beetson,Fulton,Meninga,Lockyer to name a few all said the poms had given them a fright and they had improved out of sight. I take more notice of them than you mate anyday anytime.
The ARU did indeed do the right thing by A Johns he stayed in rugby league,that is the right thing in my book.The NSWRU think otherwise.

You seem to be the only one happy with the English rugby union ATM,there is nothing wrong with it.Gee the RFU (after a kicker Farrell)and the union public seem to think they have a problem,they are being beaten by everyone except the also rans.Keep up the spin ,maybe things will improve when Jonny comes
marching back.
BTW you can expect the GB team to arrive in 2008 for the RL world cup,an announcement expected Mar/April after a meeting with Lewis from the RFL and the ARL in Sydney in the next fortnight.Get your tickets so you can watch the Kiwis flog the Poms,they better do it ,they were flogged by the Poms last year in the tri series.
On the wing for the Storm last week was Matt Geyer and Jake Webster-is Webster Samoan ?>I didnt see any samoan name in the programme for the Storm,unless he is playing for the club's feeder team Norths.
re the reserve graders Stuart was replying to all the crap being dealt up by the media,by union writers and Mason on league players being linked to union,on Perth buying league players.
In the end Stuart fed up with all the garbage,said what was a fact that reserve graders in the NRL are going straight into the S12.
BTW league teams go backwards being in the semis one year,then near the tail end the next,so dont be so defensive.
Teams have their ups and downs,the English RU are having a down its no surprise really.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

:lol: :lol: Some of the best spin doctoring I have ever seen.Mate I watched the Roos V England first hand, even Arthur Beetson commented on the standard of their play and the way they were taking it up to the Roos.France did not hold back and the roos didnt take it seriously ?.Yeah getting beaten by the French would be great . The USA match on astroturf ,was a less intensive game,cant argue with that.But please you are talking crap when you say the England A and French game was not taken seriously.
Again you are talking crap when the poms had 12 players and were within an inch of beating the roos in the 1st test in 2003.Beetson,Fulton,Meninga,Lockyer to name a few all said the poms had given them a fright and they had improved out of sight. I take more notice of them than you mate anyday anytime.
The ARU did indeed do the right thing by A Johns he stayed in rugby league,that is the right thing in my book.The NSWRU think otherwise.

You seem to be the only one happy with the English rugby union ATM,there is nothing wrong with it.Gee the RFU (after a kicker Farrell)and the union public seem to think they have a problem,they are being beaten by everyone except the also rans.Keep up the spin ,maybe things will improve when Jonny comes
marching back.
BTW you can expect the GB team to arrive in 2008 for the RL world cup,an announcement expected Mar/April after a meeting with Lewis from the RFL and the ARL in Sydney in the next fortnight.Get your tickets so you can watch the Kiwis flog the Poms,they better do it ,they were flogged by the Poms last year in the tri series.
On the wing for the Storm last week was Matt Geyer and Jake Webster-is Webster Samoan ?>I didnt see any samoan name in the programme for the Storm,unless he is playing for the club's feeder team Norths.
re the reserve graders Stuart was replying to all the crap being dealt up by the media,by union writers and Mason on league players being linked to union,on Perth buying league players.
In the end Stuart fed up with all the garbage,said what was a fact that reserve graders in the NRL are going straight into the S12.
BTW league teams go backwards being in the semis one year,then near the tail end the next,so dont be so defensive.
Teams have their ups and downs,the English RU are having a down its no surprise really.

So because of Morley's foolishness in the 1st test the Kangaroo's C team won the Ashes again .
Well by the sound of things GB should have won the last two test matches and win the series 2-1 .
But they fail to beat a understrenght Kangaroo team .

Had the kangaroo's taken all their games seriously . I think the kangaroo's would have beaten France , England A and USA by more than 50 points.

My personal view is that the ARU weren't interested in Johns but NSW did . I think Anasta , Lockyer and Jerome Ropati would do a better job at 5/8 in rugby union than John would .

As a rugby supporter , I don't like England but I know their form is due to inexperience and are rebuilding .
The loss of Johnson , Dillaglio , Back , Wilkinson and their coach didn't help either .
Wilkinson will be back and I bet my house that England will be back at its best next year again .
Gees you make it look like England were blown away by over 40 points like the Kangaroo's did to GB .
England were very unlucky to lose to France (17-18) , Ireland (13-19) and Wales (9-11) .

As far as I know the England supporters on rugby forums thinks its inexperience and lack of leadership .
But I guess you live in NSW and real rugby union supporter so you must know how the England fans are thinking .
I can't remember one artical that stated England were after Farrell because of his goalkicking .

Its there a world cup in 2008 ? Ok while we will have to wait and see because Im still laughing from watching GB's last game in Australia . :lol:
Kiwi's getting flock by GB is nothing new but NZ puts up a good fight despite all the games were held in England to accomadate the GB teams and hope one day they would win something .

You don't have to have Samoan name to be Samoan . The names SBW , Cristrian Cullen , Josh Cromfeld and CM Hunt don't sound Samoan .
And if you are a hardcore league fan then you will know that Jake Webster is also Samoan .

 

[taipan]

So every hardcore league fan is supposed to know the heritage of every player.Get a life mate.Was I supposed to know Mat Peterson had an American grandfather,and therefore eligible to play for the US,sometimes mate you are incredible.I dont spend my life checking their origin,just the fact they can play ,and when world cups crop up,if they happen to be eligible then I know.
There are many migrants who change their names in Australia so as to make it more English sounding
The difference was I happened to attend the A match and all the roo matches in 2003,spoke to Beetson, you obviously werent so you are talking through your other end.Greg McCallum former NRL ref was also in the UK in 2003.
I personally dont know how the English rugby union fans are thinking,just read their letters to the newspapers,comments by union journalists,and Australian union journalists,watch [people discuss it on the BBC and BSKYB(or SKY in Oz if you like) and they all are either bemoaning Englands demise or cheering it depending from which country you are from,since their 2003 world cup victory.
So England want Farrell for his exceptional speed and not his goalkicking.
I seem to remember the Wallabies getting thrashed in South Africa not that many years ago,now its the Poms turn for losing.
All should be revealed after this weekend's meeting of the RLIF at Coogee NSW,re the 2008 world cup,go Samoa. ;-)

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Thats the Good thing about rugby union Internationals . The top 8 countries can be world champions one week and gets beaten the next .
Its exciting to watch .

Well if there's a world cup in league . Then I guess the Samoan team would be from NZ as there's no league in Samoa . ;-)

 

[rugged]

re the reserve graders Stuart was replying to all the crap being dealt up by the media,by union writers and Mason on league players being linked to union,on Perth buying league players.
In the end Stuart fed up with all the garbage,said what was a fact that reserve graders in the NRL are going straight into the S12.

This is exactly what Eddie Jones was trying to do too. Shut up all the media hype about league people coming to union. League players and managers using union as a lever to get more money, maybe even when there has been no interest by union. I see this as the league players' fault, using everyone for their own self interests, and dragging league through it all in the time being. You don't see any of the union players doing the same thing.

 

[taipan]

Thats the Good thing about rugby union Internationals . The top 8 countries can be world champions one week and gets beaten the next .
Its exciting to watch .

Well if there's a world cup in league . Then I guess the Samoan team would be from NZ as there's no league in Samoa . ;-)

8 countries #-o
-Wales ,Ireland ,England,France ,SA ,Australia and NZ -7 out of a total of 100 plus not bad.The problem England is getting beaten most weeks.

Samoa will probably miss out [-X then as they have no local comp,leaving Jamaica with a 6 team comp starting on April 16th to take their place or Lebanon or Serbia or Georgia.I am sure they will fill the gap admirably.

 

[taipan]

re the reserve graders Stuart was replying to all the crap being dealt up by the media,by union writers and Mason on league players being linked to union,on Perth buying league players.
In the end Stuart fed up with all the garbage,said what was a fact that reserve graders in the NRL are going straight into the S12.

This is exactly what Eddie Jones was trying to do too. Shut up all the media hype about league people coming to union. League players and managers using union as a lever to get more money, maybe even when there has been no interest by union. I see this as the league players' fault, using everyone for their own self interests, and dragging league through it all in the time being. You don't see any of the union players doing the same thing.

"You dont see any of the union players doing it",of course not rugby league clubs are not going hell for leather to sign high profile union players(figuring no doubt that most wouldnt make it anyway),there is a more than adequate supply of players from the juniors .

I guess Mr Jones had better get into the ear of the union journos and people such as Sailor,Rogers,and Lote who spend a fair amount of time saying thisleague player would be good in union and so would that one.
You get the new CEO and coach of the Perth S12/14/28 franchise saying they will probably need to buy league players to bolster their ranks.
The ARU and NSWRU(not the managers) had expressed interest in Wing,Cross,Anasta when they were last off contract.Is it any wonder Stuart has had it up to here.

 

[rugged]

Still doesn't forgive the league players and their agents playing it up for all it's worth even when RU aren't interested!