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Financial fragility of the game

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Former News Corp chairman and chief executive John Hartigan believes the NRL and broadcasters should look to immediately re-negotiate long-term television deals in an effort to shore up their uncertain futures amid the coronavirus crisis.

With sport forced into COVID-19 lockdown around the globe, competitions such as the NRL and AFL stand to be cruelled financially if they lose significant portions of their seasons to the virus and they are left stranded without the millions in broadcast rights revenue that prop up the games.

Players in the AFL, which has already reduced its season from 23 to 17 rounds, are already facing 20 per cent pay cuts to cope with the shortfall while under its revenue-share agreement with players, the NRL could also reduce salaries to its stars if the money coming into the game plummeted.

With the coronavirus spread threatening to blow up the NRL's business model, Hartigan argues the game and the television networks should act now and attempt to lock in re-negotiated long-term deals that could include continued financial backing through any suspension of the competition but represent a lower overall value.

The NRL’s $1.8 billion agreement with Foxtel, Nine and Telstra runs until 2022, as does the AFL’s $2.5bn deal with Seven West Media, Foxtel and Telstra, and while the code would have to accept a reduction in rights fees in the circumstances, with player payments going backwards, it could help secure its future.

“That’s something they would have to be contemplating, just because of that cash flow and the certainty of it. It’s an opportune time,” Hartigan said on Tuesday.“The overriding thing for the broadcasters and the sports is certainty. When you’ve got unprecedented uncertainty ... the ability to ensure cash flows becomes imperative but also into the future. There is only one thing that gives all the codes certainty and that’s the tie-up with the broadcasters.”

As sports wrestle with what the future looks like, another prominent media figure, who wished to remain anonymous, said it needed to be explained to players that “maybe they’re not going to be paid a million dollars [a year] anymore, that maybe it’s more like $500,000, and if not it could be zero.”

ARL Commission chairman Peter V'landys has called for support for rugby league under the federal government's stimulus package and has said he does not expect broadcasters to continue paying their instalments without content being provided.

Asked on Tuesday about the prospect of re-negotiating its television deal, V'landys said: "Every option is on the table, and that's another option, absolutely. We've never come across anything like this before that actually puts the game at risk. We will take any action necessary to ensure the viability of the game. We don't know where this is going to land."

While the NRL is bracing for the worst, Rugby Australia’s own negotiations for a new deal have been thrown into turmoil just as it had been in talks with its latest potential partner, Optus.

Hartigan, who believes it is a “certainty” that the football seasons will be suspended due to COVID-19, said it was also in the interests of the broadcasters not to allow popular sports to fall over. But they are no longer in anywhere near as healthy a position as they once were, with Foxtel’s debts rising to $2.3bn, Seven’s borrowings topping $700m and Hugh Marks, the CEO of Nine, publisher of this masthead, announcing last month the company would cut $100m from its free-to-air business.

“The reality is they need long-term arrangements with the most popular sports,” Hartigan said of the broadcasters. “If it means taking advantage of this downturn then so be it.

“But you’ve got to recognise that with the changing nature of audiences, all of a sudden you’ve got a position where the free-to-air broadcasters have got nowhere near the deep pockets they once had and you’ve also got the sporting codes in equally bad shape, so pragmatism becomes essential. Broadcasters have always talked about sports rights going down and if they’re going to, the landscape is ripe now.”

The NRL is pressing on with the second round of its competition this week behind closed doors and plans on trying to make up for any games lost later in the year even if the season has to run until November.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/new-lo...l-says-ex-news-corp-boss-20200317-p54b0u.html


And here we have John Hartigan (of all people...sigh) promoting his view that the NRL should renegotiate the broadcast contract for a new long term deal on much reduced terms.

Note how the article starts by speaking in the context the Australian sporting codes of AFL & NRL but then spends the entire piece about how specifically the NRL should renegotiate on lower sums.

And I loved these bits towards the end of the article:

“If it means taking advantage of this downturn then so be it"

"Broadcasters have always talked about sports rights going down and if they’re going to, the landscape is ripe now.”

Well, he can f*ck right off....
 

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'We're in trouble': Leilua questions NRL's financial management as players face pay cut

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we...-as-players-face-pay-cut-20200318-p54bfa.html

Pfft, so the players and clubs are whinging for years that the ARLC arent giving them enough money and that the game is better off if the clubs are the ones deciding where the cash goes.

Now it is the ARLCs fault that the clubs have no savings and fought against the ARLC putting together a Future Fund.

Players and Clubs: "This is all the ARLCs fault. We have spent all of our money and we made them give us all of their money too. They should have stopped us. Damn the ARLC"
 

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^^^^^^^^

It is interesting aswell. Whenever players/clubs talk about the game splitting its huge revenue "this is our money, we earned it".

But when the game is broke "they should have taken better care of their money"...
 

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TBF to Gallop, and he was useless, how could he get a good deal when half the game was owned by the company he was trying to get a good deal out of? The only way it was ever going to match AFL's was if it was independent and we had a good CEO, we had neither of those things. The "game" can be excused for not having any savings in 2012 given the situation it found itself in. Since that time there really isnt any excuses. Totally independent in its decision making and $2.5billion in revenue later and all we have is $70mill from the last two years. Its simply not good enough from Greenberg and the commission.

The ARLC came in with a VERY weak position against the clubs.

Where the VFL Commission has full power because they built systems to control the clubs when they were weak and they built the legitimacy of being the organisation that EARNED the huge tv deals, the ARLC had neither. No power over the clubs and no legitimate claim that they earned the money.

That has meant that the Clubs have been in charge since 2012 and the ARLC has been playing catch-up. The ARLC just didnt have the power to do any of the things people are saying they should have done.

The clubs should wake up to themselves and take some f*cking responsibility....
 

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'We're in trouble': Leilua questions NRL's financial management as players face pay cut

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we...-as-players-face-pay-cut-20200318-p54bfa.html

Pfft, so the players and clubs are whinging for years that the ARLC arent giving them enough money and that the game is better off if the clubs are the ones deciding where the cash goes.

Now it is the ARLCs fault that the clubs have no savings and fought against the ARLC putting together a Future Fund.

Players and Clubs: "This is all the ARLCs fault. We have spent all of our money and we made them give us all of their money too. They should have stopped us. Damn the ARLC"
Lol, Joey Leilua giving financial advice, the world truly has gone cuckoo caca.
 

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'We're in trouble': Leilua questions NRL's financial management as players face pay cut

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we...-as-players-face-pay-cut-20200318-p54bfa.html

Pfft, so the players and clubs are whinging for years that the ARLC arent giving them enough money and that the game is better off if the clubs are the ones deciding where the cash goes.

Now it is the ARLCs fault that the clubs have no savings and fought against the ARLC putting together a Future Fund.

Players and Clubs: "This is all the ARLCs fault. We have spent all of our money and we made them give us all of their money too. They should have stopped us. Damn the ARLC"
To be fair, sticking a microphone in front of Joey to get a poorly thought out comment is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Probably can’t blame the rest of the players for his comments.
 
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I hope the Warriors, Sea Eagles, Sharks and Tigers go to the NSW Cup, and we have a 12 team NRL. 22 league matches per year, the winner of the league wins the JJ Giltinan and Provan-Summons Trophy, and have an ARL Cup during September and October, top 8, use the McIntyre System 1 v 8 etc., ARL Cup Final in Sydney on first Sunday of October, 4.30pm kick-off. Magic Weekend is a Nines tournament. 7 minutes each way, with the final being 9 minutes each way.
 

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Nobody does CofE in crisis quite like the NRL



Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) chairman Peter V’landys has again admitted the NRL is facing the “biggest catastrophe you’ve ever seen” if the sport is suspended and can’t get back on the field in 2020.

The unprecedented nature of the coronavirus crisis has left the sporting world in shock and the NRL navigating uncharted waters.


Details of the NRL’s difficult financial position has left the sport needing to stay on the field to survive.

The NRL has been widely criticised for its stance on the issue after foundation ARL Commission member Gary Pemberton said $50 million should be banked in a future fund back in 2012.

By 2020, it should be between $400-450 million, speaking on Fox League’s NRL 360, V’landys admitted the league had $70-80 million.

On Sunday night, Paul Kent said it was about “three months” runway.

It’s been one of the sticking points so far throughout the crisis with the likes of Phil Gould taking aim.


Fox Sports journalist James Hooper pressed V’landys on why the NRL had so little in the fund.

“I can’t comment on the past, I can only comment on while I’ve been on the commission and we’ve been looking at a Future’s Fund and that’s why we have $70-80 million that has been banked up,” he said.

“Unfortunately, this has been an unforeseen crisis. No one saw the consequences of this virus and the potential financial impact this has on the game. Gary Pemberton was 100 per cent correct, we should have been putting $50 million aside, we should have a futures fund and I can assure you that running into the future we will certainly have a futures fund going forward.”

V’landys said that while the financial issue could be make or break the NRL, he believes all teams will survive.
Speaking on Fox Sports’ NRL Tonight, journalist Brent Read said the NRL can’t possibly stop and the entire league is to blame.

“I think everyone’s got to take a bit of blame because the NRL in the past should have put more money aside but at the same time, the clubs have been demanding money from the NRL to make ends meet so the NRL has probably caved in to them,” he said.

“I don’t think you can sit there and say it’s the NRL’s fault, everyone’s got to take ownership of it because everyone’s constantly whinged they’re not getting enough money and that puts pressure on the NRL to hand over cash that maybe they should have been putting in the bank.”

Fellow journalist Jimmy Smith said the fund was established for this reason but the NRL used the fund after a shortfall, calling it “irresponsible” under the control of the original commission.

“A lot of clubs have been run poorly for a long time,” Read added. “They haven’t had to worry about making money and the NRL’s probably caved in to pressure from them to help them make ends meet.

“Ultimately this could force us all to reassess how the game is governed, how the game is run at club level, we have to pull our head out of the sand. We might get through this but if it happens again we’re gone.”
Speaking after Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the NRL “was not high on the list at the moment” for economic stimulus, V’landys admitted it may be crucial for the league survival if it is forced to shut down.

“Without it, the picture looks bleak,” he said. “It really depends on the contingency we face. If it's a complete shutdown for the season, it’s the biggest catastrophe you’ve ever seen. But we will do everything in our power to continue the season and minimise the financial impact on the game.”

But it hasn’t stopped the criticism of the lack of foresight in spending the proposed fund, leaving the NRL unable to weather the virus storm like the world’s biggest sports such as the F1 and NBA.


As the NRL and AFL appear to resist the rest of the sporting world’s decision to suspend play.

The AFL’s move to a 17 game season will see players lose 20 per cent off their contracts as they don’t fulfil commitments to the broadcasters.

Kent said the NRL should be thinking of this, highlighting the Parramatta leadership group, who he said would take the brunt of any hit at the club if the league is suspended, meaning the lower paid players will be less effected.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/n...utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_source=News.com.au
 

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If there had been $50-100mil sitting aside in a future fund you can bet the clubs and players would have been asking for it. "Why is it just sitting there? Raise the cap!". Prob a telegraph article of V'landys as Smaug sitting on a pile of cash.
 

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I would love to have these whinging players/clubs actually give firm answers on where this $50mil should have been take from each year...

Should it have come from juniors or advertising? Or should it have come from the salary cap or clubs grants?

Mhhh, easy to whinge when you aren’t responsible or accountable at the end...
 

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TBF to Gallop, and he was useless, how could he get a good deal when half the game was owned by the company he was trying to get a good deal out of? The only way it was ever going to match AFL's was if it was independent and we had a good CEO, we had neither of those things. The "game" can be excused for not having any savings in 2012 given the situation it found itself in. Since that time there really isnt any excuses. Totally independent in its decision making and $2.5billion in revenue later and all we have is $70mill from the last two years. Its simply not good enough from Greenberg and the commission.

Clubs havent helped and yours isn't alone in that by any means! It cost NRL around $12mill to keep the Knights and Titans afloat, the spending on Touch footy which has had questionable benefits. The increase on VR, integrity unit, admin, player welfare and numerous other significant expenditure increases in last 7 years.

If this hadn't happened I guess we would have kept on burning through it as we earnt it, maybe this will give the NRL and the clubs a mighty kick up the backside! Cap club spending to $22mill, any extra has to be in agreed areas such as marketing or fan engagement, get serious about setting aside a future fund out of central revenue, look at where we should invest to get a better return and build up an asset base. If Roosters can build $152mill in assets then pretty sure the NRL should be able to!

Well that's my point.News owning half of the shebang had Gallop by the short and curlies.The very opportunity to get TV deals close to the AFL was lost.If V'Landys was there ATT,at least he'd show more balls to get a better deal..

We didn't have a good CEO then ,and we had him for nigh on 11 years.That's 11 years the code will never get back.During that time ,our i new infrastructure apart from Cbus on the GC,was non existent.His lobbying abilities were non existent.And the clubs ruled the roost.
We also had Moffatt and i'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what he did for the game.He was good at riding push bikes in France.
The NRL made money in the last couple of years ,years that also had Greenberg on deck.Well we had stuff all before ,so the prior ones had to take a hell of a lot of blame

Did you bother to read what I stated about clubs being also to blame ,including my own.I've never shied away from that point, but at least the club has tried and continues to improve its asset base, which you like to ignore.When you club builds up assets ,get back to me.
 

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^^^^^^^^

It is interesting aswell. Whenever players/clubs talk about the game splitting its huge revenue "this is our money, we earned it".

But when the game is broke "they should have taken better care of their money"...
I note in today's paper that Qantas is going to stand down 2/3 of its staff because there is no work for them and their revenue has plummeted.

At least the NRL will be able to get its charter planes at a bargain basement price.
 

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Well that's my point.News owning half of the shebang had Gallop by the short and curlies.The very opportunity to get TV deals close to the AFL was lost.If V'Landys was there ATT,at least he'd show more balls to get a better deal..

We didn't have a good CEO then ,and we had him for nigh on 11 years.That's 11 years the code will never get back.During that time ,our i new infrastructure apart from Cbus on the GC,was non existent.His lobbying abilities were non existent.And the clubs ruled the roost.
We also had Moffatt and i'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what he did for the game.He was good at riding push bikes in France.
The NRL made money in the last couple of years ,years that also had Greenberg on deck.Well we had stuff all before ,so the prior ones had to take a hell of a lot of blame

Did you bother to read what I stated about clubs being also to blame ,including my own.I've never shied away from that point, but at least the club has tried and continues to improve its asset base, which you like to ignore.When you club builds up assets ,get back to me.

you seem very angry considering I’m agreeing with you lol
 

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Well that's my point.News owning half of the shebang had Gallop by the short and curlies.The very opportunity to get TV deals close to the AFL was lost.If V'Landys was there ATT,at least he'd show more balls to get a better deal..

We didn't have a good CEO then ,and we had him for nigh on 11 years.That's 11 years the code will never get back.During that time ,our i new infrastructure apart from Cbus on the GC,was non existent.His lobbying abilities were non existent.And the clubs ruled the roost.
We also had Moffatt and i'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what he did for the game.He was good at riding push bikes in France.
The NRL made money in the last couple of years ,years that also had Greenberg on deck.Well we had stuff all before ,so the prior ones had to take a hell of a lot of blame

Did you bother to read what I stated about clubs being also to blame ,including my own.I've never shied away from that point, but at least the club has tried and continues to improve its asset base, which you like to ignore.When you club builds up assets ,get back to me.

If you throw the useless Dave Moffett in as well, that is nearly 15 years of getting nothing to grow the game just to sustaining it at minimal cost.
 

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Always laugh how the News Ltd lacky journos never bag Gallop or question his connections with News Ltd.

Pathetic.

Yet everything Grant and Smith did was wrong. The biggest thing these guys gave us was the digital arm of the NRL, and low and behold the News journos never praise them for it.
 

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Somewhat ironic, the voices asking "why aren't their alternate revenue streams" are typically the same ones who criticise Football clubs for relying on Leagues clubs top ups.
 

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Somewhat ironic, the voices asking "why aren't their alternate revenue streams" are typically the same ones who criticise Football clubs for relying on Leagues clubs top ups.

for me it’s not so much about alternative revenues, end of day they are a football club, but making sure margins are such that all clubs have a decent asset base in case of rainy days. Clubs just can’t stop spending, no matter how much their revenue increases. Some clubs are spending $30mill plus a year on a football generated revenue of $25million. Souths seem to be one of the few clubs who actually have put away a cash reserve, sharks have a big one but that is due to an asset sale not running the club in a surplus. Time for the nrl to cap total club expenditure at around $22million. That would give every club a surplus each year and would avoid any future scenario like this happening again. It would also arguably bring all clubs even closer together on the field.
 

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And here we have John Hartigan (of all people...sigh) promoting his view that the NRL should renegotiate the broadcast contract for a new long term deal on much reduced terms.

Note how the article starts by speaking in the context the Australian sporting codes of AFL & NRL but then spends the entire piece about how specifically the NRL should renegotiate on lower sums.

And I loved these bits towards the end of the article:

“If it means taking advantage of this downturn then so be it"

"Broadcasters have always talked about sports rights going down and if they’re going to, the landscape is ripe now.”

You could see that coming about one line into the article. Fox/News Corp struggling in Australia so here is a chance to drive down the contract deal with the NRL and disguise it as long term stability

Nothing but a piece of spin doctoring.
 

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You could see that coming about one line into the article. Fox/News Corp struggling in Australia so here is a chance to drive down the contract deal with the NRL and disguise it as long term stability

Nothing but a piece of spin doctoring.

yeh now is exactly not the time to be negotiating a new deal!
 
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