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First Grade Knights vs Rabbitohs

Karmawave

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Give up guys, nothing will change Karma..

Look at Daine Laurie, made his debut at 23, but no he must be pretty average if he didnt make his debut when he was 19..

Karma has weird logic.

No, the ages of brain dead NRL forwards should not be confused with those of playmakers.

If you look over the NRL , you'll find the vast majority of quality " old " players running around are not playing in the backline, Darren Lockyer being an obvious exception.

But that's a different class of footballer altogether than the one we are discussing.
 

perverse

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you were one of the blokes that let thurston go to the cowboys because shifty sherwin was in his way arn't you karma? lol. the only reason why the only old blokes left are forwards, is because all the old backs go over to england to collect their retirement cheques. have a look at some super league rosters and you'll see some familiar old backs that would still do well in the NRL if we could match their money.

every player matures differently.
 

Karmawave

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Duearu isnt Joey he aint going to make every touch of the ball a Midas touch however he has all the ability in the world to go on and become a player I think that would remind us of Stacy Jones... Thoughts?

The only thing that would come close when comparing Jones and Dureau is their heights.

Different class altogether.

It would be like taking a horse from straight from a maiden at Wangaratta and into the Melbourne Cup. That's the difference in class between Dureau and Jones.
 

Karmawave

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you were one of the blokes that let thurston go to the cowboys because shifty sherwin was in his way arn't you karma? lol.

Hell no! Thurston was always in a different class to Sherwin, even as a youngster. Bulldogs made a BIG mistake.

Is there a chance we can let Dureau go to another club? YES! :lol:

Come to think of it, what other NRL team would he even get a game at.
 

Karmawave

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:lol:

Sorry Perverse.

Serious question.

Is the forum love of Dureau based on personal interaction that you may have had with him through the Crusade? Like, is the fact he might be a incredibly nice guy the reason he has so much steadfast support in this forum?

I mean if so, I'd have no problems with that whatsoever and would understand completely.
 

Jono078

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Tigers, Warriors, Dragons, Bulldogs, Panthers, Eels Would all have him as a halfback IMO.

I'm not a part of the Crusade and have never met Dureau, i'm basing my thoughts on what i've seen in a few games of PL and his FG career.

IMO, you are the father of single_newy_chick :p She was a Dureau hater :p
 

Karmawave

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Tigers, Warriors, Dragons, Bulldogs, Panthers, Eels Would all have him as a halfback IMO.

No way at the Tigers.

Maybe the Warriors.

No way at the Dragons.

Possibly this year at the Bulldogs, but definitely not next year.

No way at the Panthers.

No way at the Eels.

So thats maybe 2.
 

Jono078

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Youd rather John Morris as your halfback, Ben Hornby, Luke Lewis and Brett Finch?

3 of them aren't even halfbacks and shouldn't be halfbacks. Brett Finch has played 200+ games and is even worse than Dureau when it comes to consistency and reliability IMO.
 

Karmawave

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Youd rather John Morris as your halfback, Ben Hornby, Luke Lewis and Brett Finch?

3 of them aren't even halfbacks and shouldn't be halfbacks. Brett Finch has played 200+ games and is even worse than Dureau when it comes to consistency and reliability IMO.


Well at the moment, we are talking Robbie Farah, not Morris. I'd rather any combination of Morris/Farah/Marshall/Head than him yes.

Jamie Soward not Ben Hornby. Can't tackle but neither can Dureau, but does everything else better than Dureau.

Luke Lewis. Yes. But here's the thing there. Jarrod Sammut played 7 early in the year for Penrith and was playing good footy. He can't even get a run in first grade anymore. If I had the option of doing a direct trade of Scott Dureau for Jarrod Sammut, I'd take Sammut in a HEARTBEAT.

Definitely Brett Finch over SD.
 

Joker's Wild

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Youd rather John Morris as your halfback, Ben Hornby, Luke Lewis and Brett Finch?

3 of them aren't even halfbacks and shouldn't be halfbacks. Brett Finch has played 200+ games and is even worse than Dureau when it comes to consistency and reliability IMO.

Jono, didnt you tell us to give up trying to sway Karma as it is a waste of time? Time to follow your own advice champ ;-)
 

Jono078

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Ben Hornby is halfback, not Soward.

Did you watch Sowards game on Monday? He still does dumb plays and all, but he is getting the chance each week to improve his game as a 5/8th.

Anyway I give up, I said yesterday I wouldnt argue about him anymore.

EDIT: Haha indeed JW, beat me by a few secs :p
 

Yosh

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I havent met SD either I havent even seen him play any lower grades either. All I know was what Roopy was saying and I wasnt convinced but watching him play I can see his potential. I mean everyone has bad games but I can see his potential and like he doesnt seem like the Carney type of guy and he works hard so I can definately see a bright future in the NRL for Duearu whether for Newcastle or another team.
 

Joker's Wild

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:lol:

Sorry Perverse.

Serious question.

Is the forum love of Dureau based on personal interaction that you may have had with him through the Crusade? Like, is the fact he might be a incredibly nice guy the reason he has so much steadfast support in this forum?

I mean if so, I'd have no problems with that whatsoever and would understand completely.

Karma

Is your hatred of Scotty based on personal interaction that you may have had with him? Did he shag your girlfriend or write something nasty about you on a public toilet wall to make you constantly critisise his performances week in week out on this forum?

If so, then we all might have a better understanding for your dim view of his abilities

;-)
 

Karmawave

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Karma

Is your hatred of Scotty based on personal interaction that you may have had with him? Did he shag your girlfriend or write something nasty about you on a public toilet wall to make you constantly critisise his performances week in week out on this forum?

If so, then we all might have a better understanding for your dim view of his abilities

;-)


:lol:

No, not at all. Never spoken a word to Dureau in my entire life, but have heard he is a good bloke.

I just don't think he has what it takes to be a consistently good first grade halfback.

I hope I'm wrong.

Of course I see the good things he does, and he does some things extremely well, like organising his forwards. I just see so many wrong things, that I am unsure can be put down to just inexperience or youth.
 
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Jono078

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I would have hate to have seen what you thought of Carmont, Tanner and all back when they were with us.
 

perverse

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no, i've never met SD either. granted, i don't see the consistency from him yet, but i have seen him display all the skills at various times during his first grade career that suggest to me he could be our answer. even in his poor games we still had direction that we lack with mullen at halfback.

he should be given every chance at the end of this year, and also next year to mature and consolidate a spot in first grade. he has the skillset and the brain, but he doesn't know when to turn it on and off yet, and when to execute which skills. i'm supremely confident that it will come with experience.
 

Karmawave

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no, i've never met SD either. granted, i don't see the consistency from him yet, but i have seen him display all the skills at various times during his first grade career that suggest to me he could be our answer. even in his poor games we still had direction that we lack with mullen at halfback.

he should be given every chance at the end of this year, and also next year to mature and consolidate a spot in first grade. he has the skillset and the brain, but he doesn't know when to turn it on and off yet, and when to execute which skills. i'm supremely confident that it will come with experience.

I'd have no problem at all if Dureau was given the 7 and told it is his for the rest of the year as an audition as to whether he is a realistic option for long term halfback at the Knights.

All this uncertainty of the Bailey/Mullen/Dureau combo is not a good thing for the club - whoever is chosen. 3 just doesn't go into 2 and Dureau is wasted on the bench, because he isn't a bench player at all.

On another note altogether, is it possible the 3 year contract given to Luke Walsh to be the Knights long term halfback solution has been one of the worst decisions in Knights recent history?

He is getting paid a sh*tload to play NSW Cup, and I can't imagine too many of the clubs who were chasing him last year when he was off contract are still chasing him this year, limiting the chances of the Knights offloading his contract.

Walsh could wind up being a very expensive mistake.

I just worry that at the start of next year, we'll have a Walsh/Dureau/Mullen 3 half uncertainty like the Bailey one this year.
 

Yosh

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I'd have no problem at all if Dureau was given the 7 and told it is his for the rest of the year as an audition as to whether he is a realistic option for long term halfback at the Knights.

All this uncertainty of the Bailey/Mullen/Dureau combo is not a good thing for the club - whoever is chosen. 3 just doesn't go into 2 and Dureau is wasted on the bench, because he isn't a bench player at all.

On another note altogether, is it possible the 3 year contract given to Luke Walsh to be the Knights long term halfback solution has been one of the worst decisions in Knights recent history?

He is getting paid a sh*tload to play NSW Cup, and I can't imagine too many of the clubs who were chasing him last year when he was off contract are still chasing him this year, limiting the chances of the Knights offloading his contract.

Walsh could wind up being a very expensive mistake.

I just worry that at the start of next year, we'll have a Walsh/Dureau/Mullen 3 half uncertainty like the Bailey one this year.

How much is he on anyway?

What does it matter if he is getting paid alot or crap if he isnt up to the standard then it doesnt deserve to play FG. I'd pick Duearu over Walshy every day
 

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