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Blair

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Yeah 'too many Polynesians' is probably one of the dumbest excuses I've heard for a team not doing well especially when the best players we can deliver right now just HAPPEN to be pacific islanders/Polynesians. It's not like we got a choice. If they were Pakistanian we'd pick them.

Anyway, I think some white guy deemed that to be the problem with our team. Thing is - when a white guy or to be more specific, an Aussie player or a British player scores a try, the Polynesian Warriors get there to celebrate his try. Those Polynesian Warriors really look after guys like they did Sean Tompkins and on Saturday, Lawton.

2003 was a fantastic year, with a very Polynesian side. To me, 2008, looks like our most European side ever, but another great year.

What I'm most enjoying though is the coach being Kiwi, NZ Maori, and doing great. I'm over identity politics though, if there's horrible barriers put in front of people because of where they come from, or what they look like, then they should be torn down, and society moves on.

How cool are the Warriors? You could be Henry Fa'afili, Ian Henderson, Hitro Okesene, or Lance Hohaia, and always a club legend.
 

SpaceMonkey

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Compared to 2002-2003 which were pretty brown sides I like that this year’s team breaks down more of the “jungle ball” streotypes. Yes we’re offloading a lot again but it’s the fitness, grit, scramble and overall heart in the side that’s turning heads and getting wins, and those are things that a lot of the borderline racist criticism of the side has focussed on in the past.
 

sup42

Juniors
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Well this thread took a positive turn of the unexpected, gotta love the interweb.

If you ever listen to Mark Watson on Radio sport NZ, he is a bit of a a stirrer and probably a bit of a hater...but one point he always makes that I completely agree with is that the Oval football codes have no idea about fitness when compared to Olympic sports.

Marks from a Triathalon background...my own interest apart from this great game is Swimming.

Having kids play Rugby and Swim, I can tell you straight off the Bat that Olympic sports make a joke of the Rugby codes.

To get a rep swimmer up to national standards for a parent means getting them up at 04:45 am up to five days a week for two hours sometimes straight out endurance training, then some days one or two hours again in the pool in the evening, Six days a week there is technical studies of the strokes and some form of hard graft....these kids are spending eight hours at school...their diet is at specification and they're twelve year olds,,,who are aiming to peak in the next short years of their careers.

Compare that discipline to Rugby League training twice or three times a week after school.

in this regard I always felt sorry for and disgusted about how our Warriors players were underdone because of the general ignorance in the code.

You give these guys someone like Corvo and you have a different Athlete.

Kearney knew what he was doing when he got two Melbourne staffers to join the training team and Linked himself and his under coaches with Brain Smith.

They have a realistic training crew...instead of this idiot notion of one professional and a few Ex players from here doing burpees and shuttle runs.

You need an Olympic style coaching team to win in sport. They come from a culture of one hundredths of a second and Millimeter tolerances....forget your one per centers. Try one hundredth of a second or you don't make it into a squad for a standard.
 
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Penrose Warrior

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Yeah, but what age do swimmers retire? Phelps is the only Olympian individual swimmer to ever win a gold medal past 31. They peak much earlier and retire much earlier because the work load is so intense. Crank junior rugby league players up and they'll be done by 25. Does anyone want that? For every Olympic swimmer produced there's a shitload that completely burn out and develop a hatred of the sport. I know, I went to school with some. Their schooling suffered because they weren't getting 8 hours of sleep a day, they either drifted off or completely fell asleep during the day. I don't see the Olympic/league parallel. Two completely different sports, one collision one not. One peaks for a four-year or 1-2 year cycle (world champs etc) the other has to get up week in, week out. And you reckon you're going to get Polynesian kids, living in South Auckland below the bread line or near it, on a specialist diet? None of that is realistic for rugby league. Maybe I'm playing the man and not the ball because Mark Watson is an imbecile. But I don't think I am.

Totally take your point that the Warriors were seriously underdone fitness wise and there was no excuse, it was pitiful. And that's clearly the change this year, as well as Kearney being a better coach. You're uncoachable when you're unfit, you're mentally unfit when you're physically unfit because as soon as fatigue sets in and you're not used to it, you make poor decisions. And that's what we did, we couldn't execute skills or stay mentally in games because we were unfit.

Thing that gets me, clearly Alex Corvo is the best of the best. But how can someone like Carl Jennings, or whoever else had us unfit be so poor at what they did? Surely even if Alex Corvo is the benchmark, surely the other guys can design and implement a programme that gets guys fit to play 80 mins in the NRL? Isn't there a loose blueprint everyone follows? Every guy in the NRL can run wind sprints and lift weights. Go watch Corvo, or Nick Gill (All Blacks trainer) for a couple of sessions then copy/research.
 

Penrose Warrior

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As for the brown % etc it's such a stupid f**king old man racism thing to even bring it up nowadays. Once that idiotic rings Radio Sport to complain the Blues are no good because their first five is Polynesian generations dies off, hopefully we'll never have to hear of it again. I don't see colour in our side I just see a squad of well-trained, well-led guys who are playing for each other. Who gives a f**k how much sunscreen they do or don't have to wear in the pre-season at Bethells.
 

sup42

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Yeah, but what age do swimmers retire? Phelps is the only Olympian individual swimmer to ever win a gold medal past 31. They peak much earlier and retire much earlier because the work load is so intense. Crank junior rugby league players up and they'll be done by 25. Does anyone want that? For every Olympic swimmer produced there's a shitload that completely burn out and develop a hatred of the sport. I know, I went to school with some. Their schooling suffered because they weren't getting 8 hours of sleep a day, they either drifted off or completely fell asleep during the day. I don't see the Olympic/league parallel. Two completely different sports, one collision one not. One peaks for a four-year or 1-2 year cycle (world champs etc) the other has to get up week in, week out. And you reckon you're going to get Polynesian kids, living in South Auckland below the bread line or near it, on a specialist diet? None of that is realistic for rugby league. Maybe I'm playing the man and not the ball because Mark Watson is an imbecile. But I don't think I am.

Totally take your point that the Warriors were seriously underdone fitness wise and there was no excuse, it was pitiful. And that's clearly the change this year, as well as Kearney being a better coach. You're uncoachable when you're unfit, you're mentally unfit when you're physically unfit because as soon as fatigue sets in and you're not used to it, you make poor decisions. And that's what we did, we couldn't execute skills or stay mentally in games because we were unfit.

Thing that gets me, clearly Alex Corvo is the best of the best. But how can someone like Carl Jennings, or whoever else had us unfit be so poor at what they did? Surely even if Alex Corvo is the benchmark, surely the other guys can design and implement a programme that gets guys fit to play 80 mins in the NRL? Isn't there a loose blueprint everyone follows? Every guy in the NRL can run wind sprints and lift weights. Go watch Corvo, or Nick Gill (All Blacks trainer) for a couple of sessions then copy/research.
I don't disagree with anything you have said. Swimming and League are very different animals and you argue that well.
The main thing League or rugby for that matter could learn from elite Olympic culture is that there are no limits placed on Athletes....and in the non subjective sports....sports without 'Judges; there is no bullshit...you are either faster or stronger or you are nothing.

Don't forget that no limits means poor countries like Jamaica and Kenya just outrun the bullshit.

Communist Factories like China and Russia invented the child World record breaker...because someone in those countries stopped to ask "why cant a child go faster or further than conventional Western thinking ?

The New Zealand Olympic row team of coaches knows ten times as much about turning smaller less talented athletes into world beaters than any Alex Corvo could ever dream of.

League is a contact sport sure, so is Boxing Wrestling...and in the same vein we see so many power sports like Lifting.....Throwing....and Wrestling.

All injury risk sports....all populated by super Kids. Look at commonwealth Games Gold medalist David Nyika....an average day in the office for him is ten times a Warriors Junior...getting punched in the head for a living.

Don't be limited by this idea of where the endurance line is for League.

New Zealand may not foster the diets for South Auckland kids because of economy...but did that stop a bunch of kids right across Africa from becoming the greatest runners the world has ever seen ?

Yes Waddo and his Mt Albert Chair leading is annoying but....my Daughters eastern European Gymnastics coach had her doing twenty five pull ups for warm up when she was seven,.so....

As for why Jennings couldn't get them fit....one man on the job is bullshit....Olympic sports have teams of coaches.,

Our Best fitness trainer before Corvo was Craig Walker ex Roosters,,,,the best in the NRL....he was on his own and only got us as good as the Ivan Years,,,,which included useless knobs like Mateo and Inu....

Walker needed a team like Corvo has supporting him and applying the science.
 
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Penrose Warrior

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It's a fascinating argument, and one I'd happily have all day with you. Not that I'm arguing, I completely agree with most of it. I have a 3-year-old daughter who I would absolutely love to be a professional sports person, but I'm realistic about how realistic (...) that is. How many females in NZ, or that were raised in NZ, make a strong, full time living from sport? Would it be more than 25-30? I wouldn't think so. Do I want to push her hard enough to make her one of the 0.001 percent? I don't know if I do.

Anyway. Stephen Kearney rulz. Back on topic.
 

JoeD

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No limits - basically what TeamNZ told themselves before they won the America’s cup. Maybe what the warriors told themselves before the beginning of the season?

The best thing that could come out of this season might be that this is the new normal. The normal level of fitness, commitment, wins, then you can push that limit again. When new players come along they see the standard they have to be at to fit and in and it continues.

The no limits thing applies to everyone too. I’m a skinny middle aged white boy in a slightly chubby body but the other day I lifted the weight of what would be labeled a “heavy” suitcase (23kg) from the ground to above my head with one hand 65 times. Why? Because that’s just normal at the gym I go to. Would never have dreamed of doing that 18 months ago at a regular gym.
 

Big Marn

Bench
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VODAFONE WARRIORS

1 ROGER TUIVASA-SHECK (c)
2 DAVID FUSITU’A
3 PETA HIKU
4 SOLOMONE KATA
5 GERARD BEALE
6 BLAKE GREEN
7 SHAUN JOHNSON
8 JAMES GAVET
9 ISSAC LUKE
10 AGNATIUS PAASI
11 ISAIAH PAPALI’I
12 SIMON MANNERING
13 ADAM BLAIR
Interchange:
14 JAZZ TEVAGA
15 CHRIS SATAE
16 JOSEPH VUNA
17 ANTHONY GELLING
18 LIGI SAO
20 KARL LAWTON
21 BLAKE AYSHFORD
22 MASON LINO

HEAD COACH | STEPHEN KEARNEY



Get f**ked. Our "Coach" is spastic.
 
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Thought this thread needed a nudge.
No logic.
A guy that misses that many tackles and gives up the chase shouldn't be selected.
Excuse by Kearney in article of international test catching up with him, means you should give him a rest.
Harris is not there to cover his ass.
SJ and Fus around him in defense dont trust him and SJ in particularly starts making stupid decisions. Grrr.

Brisbane by 40+
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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Thought about bumping this myself.

Ayshford never let us down over his years here and is far more deserving of a spot.

Did Kearney honestly say it was the Denver test catching up to Hiku? That's piss weak and untrue. As I said in another thread his 79% tacking efficiency is the best of his career and he was dropping off tackles well before the Kiwis. The Broncos will be ruthless in exposing it
 

Leber

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If Ken wasnt injured, I think beale would have beenin for hiku and hiku would have been dropped.
 
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I like CNK but if I was take a critical guess as to why hes not in there, it'd be, too skinny and is not fast fast.

Probably right there actually, and if so, it is one of my pet hates about footy these days where players get judged on size rather than footy ability. Kasiano is 1 example the other way, everyone says how good he looks now he is smaller etc, but imo it has dulled his impact and he is easier to handle now. Nightingale isn't overly big or fast but has had a very handy career

I remember Kearney saying after not picking Matai for the Kiwis that they didn't pick him because he wasn't a big enough body so you're probably correct in your reasoning here
 
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