Folau

[muzby]

However the voting for the plebiscite was not compulsory muzby , unlike a referendum or for an election . I often wonder just what percentage of Australia’s eligible voters actually did respond to the plebiscite ?

82% of eligible voters returned their envelopes.

So even if all the remaining non-voters were to say “no” (which would be highly unlikely anyway as even the most vehemently anti marriage area only registered a 74% no vote) even if we took all votes as negative, it would still be a 51/49 split to yes.

So, no matter what, the majority of Australians are in favour of gay marriage.

 

[muzby]

The sowing of division is why this issue was created. Same as multiculturalism. What problems did Australia have that that was supposed to fix?

It has been a very long term plan to destroy the West, its people's, customs and traditions, its ability to defend itself, tear down its borders, compromise its goverments and politics, stupefy its education systems and, more than anything, destroy its family life. And as we can see, the West is now everywhere on its knees to Marxist insanity, including totalitarian speech laws.

What rights do Australians now have that they once did?

Free speech? Gone.

Right to keep one's own property or the product of your labor? Gone. You have to keep your money in a bank. Cash is on the way out. Behave or they will cut off your money. No banking for you.

Freedom of movement? Gone.

Freedom of association? Gone.

Freedom of assembly? Gone.

Freedom from judicial assault? Gone. The laws are in place for forced vaccination against a disease that is comparatively trivial.

Freedom from unwarranted search and seizure? Gone.

Australia obeys the ludicrous and unscientific and self destructive diktats of unelected globalist bodies into which we have zero democratic input, such as the WHO, the director of which iis called Dr but who is not a medical doctor and in his native Ethiopia was the head of a Chinese-funded revolutionary Marxist-Leninst terrorist group!!!

Australia in 1995 had the cheapest ele tricity in the world. Today we has the most expensive. We have shut down almost all of our coal power generation to go "green" yet at the same time ship our coal to Cina to burn in the hundreds of new coal generators they have built. Good for China, but what about Australia? We have been deindustrialized.

Truly, we are living in the advanced stages of clown world.

Thank you, I needed a good chuckle..

 

[Lovemedragons]

Thank you, I needed a good chuckle..

yeah and the smart arses laughed in Germany and in the USSR too, the jokes actually on you Muzby, you're a proud clown fool from way back, and everything quoted in the post is actually factual, but you can keep on laughing when they eventually come for you too.

 

[muzby]

yeah and the smart arses laughed in Germany and in the USSR too, the jokes actually on you Muzby, you're a proud clown fool from way back, and everything quoted in the post is actually factual, but you can keep on laughing when they eventually come for you too.

I see..

What facts are you referring to in that post?

And I’m curious.. Those who will come for me.. Will they be wearing white coats or military uniforms?

Do they prefer coffee or beer? I need to make sure I’m hospitable when they arrive..

 

[goldiesaintz]

I remember the day when I was so ready to defend our club, and take real offence whenever these self-important journos criticised the Dragons. Now I find myself nodding in agreement. If anything they are have been going quite easy on us.

Especially when we read comments from former Roosters forward Bryan Fletcher said he was baffled by the decision to try and bring Folau in.

“They’ve got $500,000 to pay him [Folau] and McInnes is getting $600,00 they’re saying,” Fletcher said. “For $100,000 difference you’ve got the best player in the last two years and the captain of the club and the bloke who just keeps giving every week and every training session. It’s a strange one.”
_________________________________________________________________________________

Hard to argue with.

 

[possm]

I see..

What facts are you referring to in that post?

And I’m curious.. Those who will come for me.. Will they be wearing white coats or military uniforms?

Do they prefer coffee or beer? I need to make sure I’m hospitable when they arrive..

They're coming to take you away aha!

 

[Gareth67]

Every poll taken for years had said that the Australian population overwhelmingly supported same-sex marriage. If voting had been compulsory it would still have easily passed.

Prometheus , I can only say just what percentage of all Australians actually responded to those polls ?

The media has a bad habit of of embellishing certain topics , more so when it comes to polls .

 

[Willow]

You have stated the true facts but left out balance in your comment.

Settlement was in Folau's favour.

Stats on the pleb. are true but again you fail to give balance:

The vote was not a referendum mainly because the Yes vote would not prevail. 66% in favour required approx. 11.8m votes

The vote was not compulsory mainly because again it was unlikely the Yes vote would prevail, if 51% in favour required approx. 9m votes

Those eligible to vote were approx. 18m people

Those who voted Yes was approx. 7.8m people

So say that the majority of Australians voted for Gay Marriage is faulse.

The political vote on Gay Marriage had been lost several times in the past but this time, with the way this vote was designed, and eith the lopsided funding for the Yes vote, it proved a success for those promoting Gay Marriage. So success was gained with less than half registered voters voting Yes.

To be fair I should tell you my wife and I voted Yes

Seriously mate, that's a statistical slaughterhouse full of misinformation.

For someone looking for balance you sure have a found a way to give a very lopsided view.

Referendums: I think you need to do a little more research.

The plebiscite vote wasn't compulsory, true. This should have worked in favour of the christian lobby, they were rabid about it. Lots of pro-gay marriage folk actually didn't vote out of principle. Why? Because how people live their lives is no one else's business. The No voters had no such moral barriers. Add to that the people who didn't care and didn't vote because, well, they didn't have to... and all of a sudden you've a got a plebiscite that favours the anti-gay lobby. With all this mind, the final vote represents a thrashing.

You statement that the plebiscite was designed to favour the Yes vote is nonsense.

The fact is, the anti-gay crowd just didn't have the numbers. They lost fair and square, and they've been whinging about it ever since.

The Folau settlement was confidential. It was Folau who came out boasting. Folau and his congregation are basically quite backward when it comes to women's rights and gay rights, but they have loads of money... and apparently more than Rugby Union, which admittedly isn't that hard.

Anyway, Rugby Union in the end had to make a 'commercial decision' (or caved, depending on your view), because Folau and his followers wanted to make a point about 'rights of religious freedom' and to use this as platform to lobby the government to enact pro-theocratical legislation [Source]. It was during this time that Folau said the bushfires were god's punishment for the gay marriage vote. And to think, after all that, some people wanted us to sign him.

Officially, following the joint statement, RU never released any further statements because they were sticking to the confidentially agreement. I trust this provides enough 'balance'.

And sorry mate, but I have no interest in what side you voted for.

 

[TruSaint]

The sowing of division is why this issue was created. Same as multiculturalism. What problems did Australia have that that was supposed to fix?

It has been a very long term plan to destroy the West, its people's, customs and traditions, its ability to defend itself, tear down its borders, compromise its goverments and politics, stupefy its education systems and, more than anything, destroy its family life. And as we can see, the West is now everywhere on its knees to Marxist insanity, including totalitarian speech laws.

What rights do Australians now have that they once did?

Free speech? Gone.

Right to keep one's own property or the product of your labor? Gone. You have to keep your money in a bank. Cash is on the way out. Behave or they will cut off your money. No banking for you.

Freedom of movement? Gone.

Freedom of association? Gone.

Freedom of assembly? Gone.

Freedom from judicial assault? Gone. The laws are in place for forced vaccination against a disease that is comparatively trivial.

Freedom from unwarranted search and seizure? Gone.

Australia obeys the ludicrous and unscientific and self destructive diktats of unelected globalist bodies into which we have zero democratic input, such as the WHO, the director of which iis called Dr but who is not a medical doctor and in his native Ethiopia was the head of a Chinese-funded revolutionary Marxist-Leninst terrorist group!!!

Australia in 1995 had the cheapest ele tricity in the world. Today we has the most expensive. We have shut down almost all of our coal power generation to go "green" yet at the same time ship our coal to Cina to burn in the hundreds of new coal generators they have built. Good for China, but what about Australia? We have been deindustrialized.

Truly, we are living in the advanced stages of clown world.

Dragons stop chasing Izzy and suddenly multiculturalism is a stain, the West is on its knees, Covid is bs, and all freedoms gone.

I knew he was influential, but FMD, massive job by Webby.

 

[kit66]

yeah and the smart arses laughed in Germany and in the USSR too, the jokes actually on you Muzby, you're a proud clown fool from way back, and everything quoted in the post is actually factual, but you can keep on laughing when they eventually come for you too.

Factual except that you've apportioned blame for nearly everything to the wrong folks. The LNP and the Right has overseen the demise of our Manufacturing industries ( if you've got a strong unionized workforce, e.g Car Makers, you can just fk-up and die ) , the defunding and dumbing down of our education sector, the dismantling of workers rights and the stripping of workers entitlements and benefits , aggressively and relentlessly undermined Worker and Student Unions, Introduced laws to silence Whistleblowers, Journalists and public commentators, defunded any NFP Organizations that dared question their Government. Did nothing to guarantee domestic Gas prices didn't rise when they gave suppliers permission to export gas ( everyone knew it would cause a big rise but the LNP pretended they had no idea such a thing was possible ). Introduced all those Draconian laws after 9/11 concerning those issues your mate mentioned - Freedom of movement, assembly, association, unwarranted search and seizure.
Most of this they do undercover or while everyone's attention is elsewhere or use crises like Covid to dig the boot in a harder - more stripping of workers rights etc.
They're also fully backed by Newscorp/ Fox who control around 70% of our News Media, and are more to blame for promoting division here and in the USA and UK than any other single entity.
And they fully support the WHO, Multiculturalism and Globalization.
So tell me again, who's destroying the West ?

 

[Paddles]

Dragons stop chasing Izzy and suddenly multiculturalism is a stain, the West is on its knees, Covid is bs, and all freedoms gone.

I knew he was influential, but FMD, massive job by Webby.

Lol, there’s something about coal and green power in there too! It’s the greatest garbled bag of conspiracy fuelled nonsense I’ve seen in some time.

 

[Willow]

However the voting for the plebiscite was not compulsory muzby , unlike a referendum or for an election . I often wonder just what percentage of Australia’s eligible voters actually did respond to the plebiscite ?

More than I expected. IMO it would have been a bigger Yes result if it was compulsory.

I don't blame people for not voting, I was talking to a 90-year-old lady just before the vote and asked if she got her envelope in the mail. She said, "yes, and I threw it straight in the bin!" I asked, "why?" She replied, "Because it's none my bloody business! I can't tell other people who they should marry."

There were a few high profile people who said the same. And quite a few gay couples who said it was stressful to have to vote on something that everyone else took for granted.

In NZ, they just passed the bill in parliament in 2013. No plebiscite, no referendum. Just a simple matter of elected representatives recognising an outdated law. [Source]

 

[Willow]

Yes I am a Trump supporter and I did vote NO to same sex marriage

In other news, water is wet.

 

[muzby]

Further to the whole wE hAvE nO fReE sPeEcH bellowing..

Only last week we have a perfect example of how free our speech is in this country:

The elected head of our country being lambasted and ridiculed in a public place by people wanting to make a point.

Whilst I believe the spear goes a bit too far, the fact is this painting was allowed to go up, and nobody was arrested for it.

If anything, it helps to further the debate around the date.

That’s free speech.

In plenty of other countries around the world if you tried something like that about their leader, there would be massive repercussions for those who did it.

 

[Splinters]

@ kit 66

The idea that local (Australian) politics is anything but a puppet show put on by globalist interests is a furphy. Whether it is Labour or the supposed other side, they are and for decades now have been just the two buttocks of the same butt.

For heaven's sake, Australia may not generate electricty with coal because it isn't "green" but we can ship it to China so that they can? Does that make any sense at all? No. None. Yet BOTH PARTIES endorse it!

Please explain.

You can, if you like, blame one party or the other for introducing this law or that change but notice that when the other side comes into power they never actually reverse any of those changes that, when in opposition, they were so much against. Because they are both the same party and they are playing a shell game on you.

Please note that as far as political parties are concerned, I have absolutely no dog in the fight. Because I recognize a Punch and Judy Show when I see it. But having said that, please remember - JUST FOR THE SAKE OF A BALANCED DISCUSSION - that it was the Whitlam/Hayden/et al governments that

- removed Australia's tariff walls and began the de-industrialization of Australia
- put the foot to the floor on multicultualism and mass immigration
- introduced the duplicitously-named and utterly destructive "Family Law Act", well designed to push men out of familes, both as fathers and providers
- further funded family destruction through its social security policies
- created ludicrosities such as the Office for Women Affairs (or whatever, but that name might be accurate enough)
- created qangos by the dozen to staff it with their parasitic operatives

I could go on, and I haven't even begun with Keating, now nicely ensconced on big money with an Asian Bank, not because he knows anything about banking - he didn't get past the 4th form - and he is not, after all, a financial demographer, an econometrician, a quant, an experienced asset manager, or a statisical modeller. Keating has that position, which I am sure is not very taxing, for one reason and one reason ONLY, because that is how PAYOLA works in politics, and Keating's payola is that as Treasurer he sold out Australia to free-traders and the big banks.

The tell that this "two-party" system is all just a puppet show is that the supposedly opposing political parties that subsequently came to power did nothing to reverse these policies.

The belief in "parties" is childish.

Note that you don't have a party, do you? I'll bet you feel unrepresented. And there are lots of people who feel like you, right. So, with so much demand, why isn't there a party that reprsents your interest or thinks like you? Why don't the current parties represent interests such as yours?

Because Big Money can't see any profit in setting up such a party. That is why.

 

[Gareth67]

More than I expected. IMO it would have been a bigger Yes result if it was compulsory.

I don't blame people for not voting, I was talking to a 90-year-old lady just before the vote and asked if she got her envelope in the mail. She said, "yes, and I threw it straight in the bin!" I asked, "why?" She replied, "Because it's none my bloody business! I can't tell other people who they should marry."

There were a few high profile people who said the same. And quite a few gay couples who said it was stressful to have to vote on something that everyone else took for granted.

In NZ, they just passed the bill in parliament in 2013. No plebiscite, no referendum. Just a simple matter of elected representatives recognising an outdated law. [Source]

More than you expected ? Willow can you tell me approximately what percentage of Australians - who were eligible to cast a vote - actually voted ?

 

[Paddles]

hey bro I think you’re accidentally posting your qanon stuff on the footy forum

 

[Willow]

cant even read a

Silver bullet? who said he was meant to be that?

Just me... and said in a benign way.

Sorry, silver bullet was meant to be an analogy, I don't think Folau is a real silver bullet. I should have stuck to my previous description of calling Folau the 'saviour', which didn't raise any protests and is a far more accurate description of the great man.

He was an attempt to have at least one proven international class player in the squad that we could try to build around. Have you looked at our squad, its bottom 4 with a bullet. We are desperate for quality and experience at the highest level, just to make us legitimate. If Lomax were to be injured then all we have is battling fringe first graders, young hopefuls who likely wont make it and 2 overpaid dubious and lazy SOO players in Hunt and Norman.

Beggars cannot be choosers and all humans deserve a chance at redemption. The so called righteous ones chose not to offer that chance and you are all shameful for that. You listen too much to the Websters and the Fitzsimons of this world who would not have standards at all if not for their double standards, after all they are both over opinionated journalists.

You picked me good. I am ashamed.

Plus you're right, I read those writers every day. Heck, if they haven't written anything I just find an old article and read it again. Fitzsimons in particular has been a big influence in my life. He's like the father I never had.

I'll try to do better.

We are left with the feeble captain abandoning ship, an unproven crock junior returning, who previously abandoned us for his own glory, and a SOO player undergoing ridiculously drawn out rape trials who cant even train with the squad anymore!! With no hope whatsoever of attracting the likes of the Grants, Smiths or Staggs.

Sadly if this crap is to continue we are doomed for decades, if not forever.

I was about to say that doomed for decades is understating the situation. Doomed forever is a better reflection of reality.

And I agree we should be bagging out current players more often.

Dont waste your time responding,

Damn, only just read that. My bad.

I am outta this politically poisoned forum, I prefer football, but I will never abandon the red v that I still remember once stood above all for over a decade, a feat no other club will ever come near to.

And best wishes to you good sir.

But old memories are jogging forward. This sounds like another Brett Kimmorley moment.

 

[SaintPeter]

Willow

Will we ever know who on the board was responsible for putting forward this Folau idea?
Did the new CEO (who, up until this has been going great IMO) vote for this, or against this??

The Board of SGI has bought a new level of LOW to this club, again, and IMO they should all go.

Vote of no confidence should be put forward.

 

[Willow]

More than you expected ? Willow can you tell me approximately what percentage of Australians - who were eligible to cast a vote - actually voted ?

Pretty easy to find online. Depends which state but it was around 80% participation rate.

More than three quarters of the Australia’s eligible voters took part...
Only 17 of Australia’s 150 electorates voted No.

https://www.smh.com.au/interactive/2017/samesexmarriagesurveyresults/