Former NRL player, Chad Robinson missing. Grave concerns for his welfare

[steggz]

Here we are with the NRL gun hoe about domestic violence against women when suicide amongst men are 10 times as worse.

Two things:
1. The NRL, Men of League, Blatchy's Blues and a whole range of other groups are doing stuff re: mental health.
2. To say that one of domestic violence and mental health/suicide rates is worse than the other is to make an unnecessary comparison. Both are terrible. Both need more funding, more people working, more support, more open public conversations, more work to remove stigma.

I also note you haven't retracted your comments re: the search for Chad, now that we know his car was found down a gorge. Would you like to? (I probably know the answer, but hey, let's give you the benefit of the doubt for now)

 

[NrlVader]

Two things:
1. The NRL, Men of League, Blatchy's Blues and a whole range of other groups are doing stuff re: mental health.
2. To say that one of domestic violence and mental health/suicide rates is worse than the other is to make an unnecessary comparison. Both are terrible. Both need more funding, more people working, more support, more open public conversations, more work to remove stigma.

I also note you haven't retracted your comments re: the search for Chad, now that we know his car was found down a gorge. Would you like to? (I probably know the answer, but hey, let's give you the benefit of the doubt for now)

If you reduce mental illness in males, it'll reduce domestic violence.

Depressed, suicidal men are more likely to do a domestic.

As I said before, an old fashion search at known areas for suicide eg. Cliffs, Gorges, Lakes etc would have found him earlier instead of doing a social media campaign.

 

[God-King Dean]

You're all giving NrlVader exactly what he wants

He'll take a contrary opinion no matter when you say

 

[NrlVader]

From latest study ....

A new study, which was published in BMJ Open, has concluded that men who are experiencing or perpetrating domestic violence have a higher incidence of mental health problems. Even more specific, the study found out that men who had visited their general practitioner with depression or anxiety symptoms are more likely to have carried out or experienced a behavior that was linked to domestic violence and abuse. The study comes from researchers out of the University of Bristol, and the researchers are saying that the results of the study are highlighting the need for doctors to ask male patients about domestic abuse, especially if they are coming into the doctors office with anxiety or depression symptoms.

 

[ed-grimley]

From latest study ....

A new study, which was published in BMJ Open, has concluded that men who are experiencing or perpetrating domestic violence have a higher incidence of mental health problems. Even more specific, the study found out that men who had visited their general practitioner with depression or anxiety symptoms are more likely to have carried out or experienced a behavior that was linked to domestic violence and abuse. The study comes from researchers out of the University of Bristol, and the researchers are saying that the results of the study are highlighting the need for doctors to ask male patients about domestic abuse, especially if they are coming into the doctors office with anxiety or depression symptoms.

Are you saying this guy was going the biff on his misses?

 

[NrlVader]

Are you saying this guy was going the biff on his misses?

They're related. Instead of the NRL focusing on domestic violence and treatment of women. The cause of them are from male depression ... mental illness.

Male mental illness is a major factor in domestic violence.

 

[Iafeta]

Sad news indeed. I saw some dudes on Facebook saying it's time for blokes to start talking about depression. It's an illness like any physical ailment and we need to open up and get support. I feel very sorry for Chad and his family. He was a vastly underrated footballer, nice late footwork and the ability to offload.

Rest in peace Chad

 

[ed-grimley]

They're related. Instead of the NRL focusing on domestic violence and treatment of women. The cause of them are from male depression ... mental illness.

Male mental illness is a major factor in domestic violence.

"Crazy" people in general can be violent - nothing new here.
It's a bit rough associating this bloke with wife bashing here at this time.

 

[NrlVader]

"Crazy" people in general can be violent - nothing new here.
It's a bit rough associating this bloke with wife bashing here at this time.

Your words not mine. Point is instead of putting all NRL resources into domestic violence and treatment of women, attention should be for men's mental health as it is the main cause of domestics.

 

[DiegoNT]

I'm probably not going to be able to articulate this well, and its just my opinion, but i think we are to quick to label people with having depression and that calling it an illness in some cases does more damage.
I know that there is clinical depression, the black dog. It's almost a physical thing as it weighs you down. It's impossible to feel any happiness at all, even at times that should be bringing joy like the birth of children and stuff. That is definitely an illness and should be treated as stuff.
But I've noticed that a lot of people that say they have depression, they usually say it was brought on by a break up, death in the family, job loss (in the case of a lot of athletes thats retirement). I feel in a lot of these cases that what people are feeling is natural sadness ( as opposed to the almost un natural sadness that clinical depression brings). We are telling people who are naturally feeling sad in situations that should be sad that they are ill for feeling that way and that it's not ok for them to feel that way and that they should seek help to fix that feeling. I feel that when people are going through those bad times that to tell them they are sick and that they shouldn't be feeling depressed compounds it and makes matters worse. I feel we should be tellinh people it's ok to be sad, take your time when going through these bad situations, that you aren't sick and that what you are going through is completely normal. Young guys are going through there first heart breaks ( and the first is always the worst), being told that feeling down is a sickness and they need help, so they think their is something wrong with it so suicide seems like a logical option.

That's just my opinion, I'm not sure if that has anything to do with Chad's situation as it sounds like he was going through some clinical depression kind of stuff, but having seen to many people go out that way it's just the way i see things.

 

[hutch]

If you reduce mental illness in males, it'll reduce domestic violence.

Depressed, suicidal men are more likely to do a domestic.

As I said before, an old fashion search at known areas for suicide eg. Cliffs, Gorges, Lakes etc would have found him earlier instead of doing a social media campaign.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just shut the f*ck up.

 

[ed-grimley]

Your words not mine. Point is instead of putting all NRL resources into domestic violence and treatment of women, attention should be for men's mental health as it is the main cause of domestics.

Some blokes are just bullies.

 

[steggz]

Your words not mine. Point is instead of putting all NRL resources into domestic violence and treatment of women, attention should be for men's mental health as it is the main cause of domestics.

Except they're not, so you're wrong

 

[Spot On]

I'd hate to write anything negative, hurtful/ harmful in this thread but all of us must try harder to ignore the attention seeker who continues to dig a hole for him/herself with each and every post he/she makes.

Surely Chad and his family deserve more respect than some of the posts in this thread have afforded them.

 

[El Diablo]

Male mental illness is a major factor in domestic violence.

you must give your missus a fair flogging then

does she have any teeth left?

 

[Wizardman]

I'm probably not going to be able to articulate this well, and its just my opinion, but i think we are to quick to label people with having depression and that calling it an illness in some cases does more damage.
I know that there is clinical depression, the black dog. It's almost a physical thing as it weighs you down. It's impossible to feel any happiness at all, even at times that should be bringing joy like the birth of children and stuff. That is definitely an illness and should be treated as stuff.
But I've noticed that a lot of people that say they have depression, they usually say it was brought on by a break up, death in the family, job loss (in the case of a lot of athletes thats retirement). I feel in a lot of these cases that what people are feeling is natural sadness ( as opposed to the almost un natural sadness that clinical depression brings). We are telling people who are naturally feeling sad in situations that should be sad that they are ill for feeling that way and that it's not ok for them to feel that way and that they should seek help to fix that feeling. I feel that when people are going through those bad times that to tell them they are sick and that they shouldn't be feeling depressed compounds it and makes matters worse. I feel we should be tellinh people it's ok to be sad, take your time when going through these bad situations, that you aren't sick and that what you are going through is completely normal. Young guys are going through there first heart breaks ( and the first is always the worst), being told that feeling down is a sickness and they need help, so they think their is something wrong with it so suicide seems like a logical option.

That's just my opinion, I'm not sure if that has anything to do with Chad's situation as it sounds like he was going through some clinical depression kind of stuff, but having seen to many people go out that way it's just the way i see things.

I think you've made a great point.

 

[Iafeta]

I'm probably not going to be able to articulate this well, and its just my opinion, but i think we are to quick to label people with having depression and that calling it an illness in some cases does more damage.
I know that there is clinical depression, the black dog. It's almost a physical thing as it weighs you down. It's impossible to feel any happiness at all, even at times that should be bringing joy like the birth of children and stuff. That is definitely an illness and should be treated as stuff.
But I've noticed that a lot of people that say they have depression, they usually say it was brought on by a break up, death in the family, job loss (in the case of a lot of athletes thats retirement). I feel in a lot of these cases that what people are feeling is natural sadness ( as opposed to the almost un natural sadness that clinical depression brings). We are telling people who are naturally feeling sad in situations that should be sad that they are ill for feeling that way and that it's not ok for them to feel that way and that they should seek help to fix that feeling. I feel that when people are going through those bad times that to tell them they are sick and that they shouldn't be feeling depressed compounds it and makes matters worse. I feel we should be tellinh people it's ok to be sad, take your time when going through these bad situations, that you aren't sick and that what you are going through is completely normal. Young guys are going through there first heart breaks ( and the first is always the worst), being told that feeling down is a sickness and they need help, so they think their is something wrong with it so suicide seems like a logical option.

That's just my opinion, I'm not sure if that has anything to do with Chad's situation as it sounds like he was going through some clinical depression kind of stuff, but having seen to many people go out that way it's just the way i see things.

Good post. The difference as I understand it is depression is a longer form of emotional trauma, and the sufferer can feel this way even without stimuli to cause it.

I think the best solution is either way, open up, and don't be afraid to seek help. Qualified practitioners can assist in evaluating which of the two it is and give guidance to help. But the first step is I think people need to be aware there's nothing to be afraid of in talking about how they are feeling.

 

[unforgiven]

Good post. The difference as I understand it is depression is a longer form of emotional trauma, and the sufferer can feel this way even without stimuli to cause it.

I think the best solution is either way, open up, and don't be afraid to seek help. Qualified practitioners can assist in evaluating which of the two it is and give guidance to help. But the first step is I think people need to be aware there's nothing to be afraid of in talking about how they are feeling.

A couple of great posts here, there is a difference between appropriate sadness and depression, having experienced both, depression is deeper or longer lasting and can be caused with or without stimuli, but the effects of that stimuli are disproportionate, ie worse or longer lasting. General sadness can still be something to seek help about and if self harm is ever an idea that person should seek help immediately.

The seeking help is the hard part, it is ingrained in me to not talk about my problems, so I bottle them up. I am lucky I now have people in my life that see the signs of my depression, they take over and make sure I get help when needed. I understand why guys don't ask for help because I don't, its really important to watch for the signs in friends and family though and not be afraid to ask if they are ok, not once but until you are satisfied they are ok.

Anyone sorry for my rant lol

 

[davi]

Chad Robinson girlfriend has said it was depression, and said Chad had wondered if it had been caused by the concussions that he suffered in football.

"FORMER NRL player Chad Robinson suffered from crippling depression he believed was triggered by too many head knocks playing rugby league for a decade.

The 36-year-old father of two, found dead in his silver Subaru after it plunged down a rock face after he went missing, failed to make peace with his demons when he walked out of his Kellyville home on November 26.

A robust figure on the field, he played 174 games in the NRL and English Super League from 2000 till his retirement in 2009, but behind closed doors he fought mental illness he feared was caused by concussion from years of heavy contact.


His body was discovered at the base of a cliff in Kenthurst by electricity workers on Thursday, ending an extensive search to find him.

“He had depression and sometimes it was crippling and other times it was manageable,” his girlfriend, Rani Morris, 42, told The Saturday Telegraph.


“He often wondered if his mental illness was brought on by head injuries from being tackled head-on over the years and he had struggled with depression for years.

“Chad was opening up about being depressed in the weeks before his death. I was so proud of him for not thinking he had to be the tough guy all the time.

“He was a father, a sportsman, a kind soul and he was soft and gentle, too.

“Sure, he had retired from the sport he loved but that was not something he was consumed by.

“Depression among footballers is not new, there are many people in the sport who struggle with this.”

NRL players have spoken about their battles with depression in a bid to destigmatise it.


When Newcastle Knights winger James McManus announced his early retirement from the sport in August, he urged fellow sportsmen to make use of the NRL’s concussion guidelines set up to protect players.

“I suffered plenty of confusion, short-term memory recall problems and it was something the doctors told me would take time as my brain finds new ways to do things,” he said.

“It really is important that the rules are there now to protect players because there can be some really bad side-effects that can come from head injuries.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...r/news-story/4ccfa583cff59355d0c14473f880a198

 

[East Coast Tiger]

you must give your missus a fair flogging then

does she have any teeth left?

She hasn't got her adult ones yet.