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Forward Pack power rankings 2019

Big Pete

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Brisbane - Have one of the most talented packs, but it's going to take time to develop the most important quality: toughness. Su'A and Gillett are the only players you wouldn't want to run at, and there's plenty of question marks surrounding Gillett at the moment. There's a real risk that guys like Glenn and Gillett are going to get in the way of their more talented counter-parts. I have similar thoughts on Tagataese and Fensom, if I see them in the Broncos pack, then I'd have to question the ability of Haas, Flegler and Carrigan, supposedly the best group of forwards the Broncos have ever produced.

Canberra - I'm having a difficult time seeing any improvement. For starters, they're lacking two quality middles. Soliola, Sutton, L. Bateman, Lui even Havilli in that loose role do nothing for me. Their hopes ride on younger players like Emre Guler and Corey Horsburgh being able to step up and lead the way. That's difficult to imagine, especially since Guler has yet to play longer than 30 minutes of NRL and Corey has yet to debut. The edges are as good as any, but I wouldn't consider them exceptional.

Canterbury - Klemmer is such a huge loss. He was the one player who worried opposition sides, they really had to do their homework on him. Still, they'll catch a few teams out with their rugged defence and strike coming off the bench. Sue, To'omaga and Fualalo are the type of bench forwards I like - strong runners and in the case of Fualalo skillful. Their biggest challenge is going to be rotating the bench and ensuring Harawira-Naera and Faitala-Mariner get enough time. I rate them as better players than Rhyse Martin, but Rhyse's boot and form last year maybe enough to retain him.

Cronulla - The bloom is off the rose now that Lewis is retired and Graham is out for the opening two months, but they're still the best grinders in the competition. When they want to shut the game down and play it on their own terms, rarely anybody can go with them. They still have the middle rotation capable of putting those performances together, it's just a question on their edges. Sorensen and Capewell have had their moments for the Sharks, but I don't see either as long term options. They need some of their young guns like Nikora, Magoulas and Topai-Aveai to stand a chance.

Gold Coast - They've got individuals capable of churning out quality numbers, but they rarely go into matches as a cohesive unit. The Gold Coast's biggest problem is their maturity, too often they let their emotions get the best of them and give away unnecessary penalties. I'm also not a big fan of their edges, Taylor and Proctor have no chemistry which is more than I can say for the other edge forward as I currently have no idea who it is. Ryan James? Bryce Cartwright? Tyrone Peachey? Surely it's not Keegan Hipgrave.

Manly - Similar thoughts as the Titans, they've got individuals but they're lacking that team mantra. I feel Des will do a better job of sorting this out than Brennan will at the Titans, but he still has his work cut out for him. I rate Trbojevic as one of the best middles in the competition, he can be a match-winner and Taupau, Fonua-Blake, Tanginoa, Paseka are a real handful in the middle. The edges leave something to be desired and like the Titans, I'm having a difficult time picturing who will replace Shaun Lane on their right edge. Curtis Sironen? Jack Gosiewski? Corey Waddell? Moses Suli?

Melbourne - The most cohesive unit in the competition. Everybody knows what their role is and they execute on it so consistently they've been able to make three straight grand finals. I can't see a lot changing and with players like Tino Fa'asuamaleaui coming through, I feel tales of their demise have been grossly exaggerated.

Newcastle - They've got a strong pack on paper, I'm interested to see it in practice. I rate the middle rotation of Klemmer, Glasby, Ese'ese and Saifiti they're going to create plenty of opportunities with the football, it's just a matter of how they'll perform defensively. That's why I like the signing of Glasby because it strikes a nice balance so I'm curious to see it in tandem. I'm also curious to see their edges go around again. They played some good footy last year, in the case of Fitzgibbon, was it a fluke or does he really have that great a combination with Ponga? Hopefully it's the latter.

North Queensland - With Taumalolo, they'll always be thereabouts. McGuire is a good get, McLean will surely have better luck with injury so at the very least they won't be one of the worst packs like last year. I spose it just becomes a question about how the older heads like Scott, Bolton and Cooper will perform. We saw flashes of form from Scott last year and I think if Green can use him in a modified role it can work out. In the case of Bolton and Cooper though, I'll be surprised if they're able to get anywhere close to their best. A lot of their fortune rests with Coen Hess. On his day, there isn't a more destructive edge forward, so I hope he's able to get back to that form.

Parramatta - I like their recruitment. After years of trying to replace Junior Paulo with similar players, they finally have the real thing once again. If Arthur can get Paulo playing the type of footy he did in 2016, the sky is the limit for this Eels pack. Lane is a solid get on that right fringe, he's a strong strike player close to the line, if he can build on what he showed at Manly, he could be the buy of the season. And while he isn't a forward, Ferguson is a huge get for the Eels and turns what was their biggest weakness into a strength. There's a lot of big ifs though and I imagine the Eels will have to fly under the radar for it to come into fruition.

Penrith - Their pack is beginning to come of age. I have a high opinion of Kikau and Fisher-Harris, they're right up there with any players in their respective positions. Campbell-Gillard and Yeo fill the pack out nicely, and Leota looks like a player of the rise. They're just an experienced campaigner or two short of being right up there. Something has got to give with Tamou, he's been worse than Merrin for mine, so either he shapes up or ships out. The recruitment has left something to be desired, but I do think Hame Sele could be a good buy. He impressed me in the limited minutes he got with the Dragons and think he can bolster the pack. Dummy half has been a real area of weakness for the Panthers since Segs went off the boil, I'm curious to see how Egan will go. In the few opportunities he had last year, he kept getting injured or it was at inopportune moments. If he can seize the moment, it will give the Panthers a much needed dimension to their attack.

South Sydney Rabbitohs - Last year, they had one of the best starting pack in the competition and one of the worst benches. Outside of Murray, they got very little value out of their bench players which eventually took it's toll on the starting pack. All too often Sam Burgess would take it upon himself to force the play which usually ended disasterously for Souths. Wayne is a big believer in balance, so I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Burgess Twins off the bench and one of the recruits like Liam Knight being given a shot.That should off-set some of the changes, but I feel Crichton is a huge loss for them. He was such a strong runner on that right edge and I have my doubts whether Sam will be able to fill that void. If you aren't going forwards in this competition, then you're going backwards and I feel that's the case for Souths. A lot of their hopes fall on Bennett and outside of the bench, there's nothing he can bring that Seibold already didn't.

St. George Illawarra Dragons - The worst thing that happened to St. George was that clean bill of health for the opening 10 or so weeks. All the players were battered and bruised come the Origin season and with so many of them fulfilling their dreams at once, it took such a toll on them. Before all that went down, they had the best pack of anyone in the competition. For mine, that was still the case before the de Belin drama. With his career up in the air, it's difficult to make heads or tails on them, especially since a lot of their hopes will rest on younger players like Blake Lawrie and Jacob Host. If de Belin is right to go, then the pack should be able to match it with the rest of them. If not, they'll become a pack of also-rans. Leeson Ah Mau --> Korbin Sims is a pretty nasty downgrade, albeit there will be moments where the Dragons fans will feel they're onto a good thing. Korbin is one of the streakiest players in the competition. One week he'll bag a double, the next he'll give away three tries, it's extradinary.

Sydney Roosters - The rich just keep getting richer. After achieving success with the Ryan Matterson experiment, the Roosters went ahead and bought one of best edge forwards in the game at the low, low price of Dylan Napa. The loss of Napa for mine is a net positive, he cost the Roosters two games with his stupidity and the Roosters have another raw-boned forward coming through in Collins who will fill the void nicely. The middle rotation maybe the most balanced in terms of mobile, aggressive, hard-working, skillful in the competition and the edges are both fantastic at bending the line. I also really like the junior prospects they've got coming through - Egan Butcher, Josh Curran are players I want to see in first grade and I believe they can compliment the pack nicely. Discipline will be the Roosters biggest problem, but not enough for them to be hovering in the Top 4 all year.
 

Big Pete

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Warriors - Last year the Warriors pack played out of their skins and did better than anyone could have imagined. They finished 8th and haven't changed a lot. On one hand, if they can maintain that group mentality, they should be able to achieve similar results. On the other it's that old adage of if you can't move forward than you're most likely going backwards. This is where Bunty Afoa and Isaiah Papalii will have to step up and they'll need support from Chris Satae and Lachlan Burr. Burr was horrible in his first NRL stint at the Gold Coast, so for the Warriors sake, hopefully those seasons in NSW Cup have improved him.

Wests Tigers - They surprised a lot of teams early last year with their hard-nosed approach but as the season wore on they were exposed. Outside of Matterson the pack has hardly improved and they won't have that element of surprise that worked so well for them last year. The worst of it is over for Wests, but it's going to take years before they sort themselves out.

1. Sydney
2. Melbourne
3. Penrith

14. Warriors
15. Canterbury
16. Wests Tigers
 
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txta2

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Probably deserves it's very own thread but seriously who can stop the Broncos juggernaut? Best young pack in the comp, best young backs and the best young coach. Throw in the soft schedule and the Sutton's (best young referees in the business) guiding them through. Let's just handover the next 3 premiership trophies now and focus on 2022.
Heard that last year, and the year before .. and probably the year before that. Face it, they aint the "best".
And the fact is the Sharks probably have the best prop rotation in the comp.
 

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People ranking the Raiders bottom three are kidding.

For starters, losing Boyd and Paulo is a blessing. They were garbage last year, played low minutes and ate a ton of our cap. We’ve got an all-test back row in Tapine, Whitehead and Bateman, Papalli is moving to prop - where he has played for Queensland and Australia - and there’s young front row talent in Guler and Sutton. Add in bench workhorses like Soliola, Havili and Lui and I’m not altogether unhappy with our pack.

Our halves, on the other hand, are why we are specials for the bottom 4.
I think your coach is why you are specials for bottom 4.
 

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Bwahahaha. That pack was comprehensively outplayed by a injury riddled pack not at full strength at a home semi final with a packed house.

A good young pack yes but not in the top 3, unless this is actually a potentially best pack thread. You may want to leave your bias at the front door.
But Brisbane’s pack were at full strength?
 
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Dogs forwards aren’t bottom three. Worst backline in the comp but we’ll hold our own

How aren’t the knights in this discussion? Klemmo, Glasbo and Fitzo ain’t a bad start
 

BennyV

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St. George Illawarra Dragons - The worst thing that happened to St. George was that clean bill of health for the opening 10 or so weeks. All the players were battered and bruised come the Origin season and with so many of them fulfilling their dreams at once, it took such a toll on them. Before all that went down, they had the best pack of anyone in the competition. For mine, that was still the case before the de Belin drama. With his career up in the air, it's difficult to make heads or tails on them, especially since a lot of their hopes will rest on younger players like Blake Lawrie and Jacob Host. If de Belin is right to go, then the pack should be able to match it with the rest of them. If not, they'll become a pack of also-rans. Leeson Ah Mau --> Korbin Sims is a pretty nasty downgrade, albeit there will be moments where the Dragons fans will feel they're onto a good thing. Korbin is one of the streakiest players in the competition. One week he'll bag a double, the next he'll give away three tries, it's extradinary.
f**kING THANK YOU!!! The amount of window-licking Dragons fans trying to claim that Korbin is a huge step up from Leeson was giving me herpes. Ah Mau’s impact, metrage and drive off the bench was a HUGE contributor to the first half of our season last year, he’s definitely a loss and having a completely different style of player in Korbin come in will completely change our bench usage, and change is something Mary struggles with (along with basically every other aspect of coaching).

I personally think Dragons forward pack will lose a bit from last year with or without DeBelin. Graham is another year older and was already losing effectiveness at the back end of last year. Lawrie showed some great promise but applying that to an entire season of first grade is another story. Host and Leilua are very promising edge forwards but completely different styles and McGregor has no idea how to utilise that - Host is a long-minute line runner who’s only ever been used in short bursts, while Leilua is a skilful impact forward who’s been made to trim down, put his ballskills away and play long minutes. We let the perfect JDB replacement go in Hame Sele, so if Jack gets rubbed out we are looking at a major re-shuffle and our depth is poor. We’ve still got Frizell but we seem intent on starting him on the right edge and then using him as a battering ram up the middle, rather than getting him running lines and taking his place as the #1 edge backrower in the comp. The positive is that Tariq doesn’t look like slowing down (or settling down) any time soon and Vaughan is still a proper top shelf forward.

In summary, we aren’t in the Top 3 and at best (if we don’t lose JDB, Lawrie hits the mark and Korbin strings a career’s worth of good games together this season) we are as good as last year.
 

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f**kING THANK YOU!!! The amount of window-licking Dragons fans trying to claim that Korbin is a huge step up from Leeson was giving me herpes. Ah Mau’s impact, metrage and drive off the bench was a HUGE contributor to the first half of our season last year, he’s definitely a loss and having a completely different style of player in Korbin come in will completely change our bench usage, and change is something Mary struggles with (along with basically every other aspect of coaching).

I personally think Dragons forward pack will lose a bit from last year with or without DeBelin. Graham is another year older and was already losing effectiveness at the back end of last year. Lawrie showed some great promise but applying that to an entire season of first grade is another story. Host and Leilua are very promising edge forwards but completely different styles and McGregor has no idea how to utilise that - Host is a long-minute line runner who’s only ever been used in short bursts, while Leilua is a skilful impact forward who’s been made to trim down, put his ballskills away and play long minutes. We let the perfect JDB replacement go in Hame Sele, so if Jack gets rubbed out we are looking at a major re-shuffle and our depth is poor. We’ve still got Frizell but we seem intent on starting him on the right edge and then using him as a battering ram up the middle, rather than getting him running lines and taking his place as the #1 edge backrower in the comp. The positive is that Tariq doesn’t look like slowing down (or settling down) any time soon and Vaughan is still a proper top shelf forward.

In summary, we aren’t in the Top 3 and at best (if we don’t lose JDB, Lawrie hits the mark and Korbin strings a career’s worth of good games together this season) we are as good as last year.
LAM also had quite an underrated step in his running game. Just a shame he couldn't hold the ball with 2 hands...
 

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Yeah the Drags will really suffer from LAM's loss up front. He always has been a massively underrated Prop. The Drags fans comparing him to someone like Korbin Sims is proof enough of that. Plus I can't see Korbin really recovering from the ass tanning his brother gave him last year. That sort of working over stays with you as a player, especially when it's your own blood who did it to you. Hunt post the 2015 GF is proof enough of that sort of psychological damage.
 

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Yeah the Drags will really suffer from LAM's loss up front. He always has been a massively underrated Prop. The Drags fans comparing him to someone like Korbin Sims is proof enough of that. Plus I can't see Korbin really recovering from the ass tanning his brother gave him last year. That sort of working over stays with you as a player, especially when it's your own blood who did it to you. Hunt post the 2015 GF is proof enough of that sort of psychological damage.

Interesting rationale.
Let's run with it & apply it to the pack your fapping over. If what you say is indeed true, Brisbane won't be near the top 8. A forward pack that will be jumping at shadows with a average 1/2's pairing who wouldn't know consistency if it signed a 2 year lease & took up residence in their anus . Based on your rationale, How will your pack regroup after that oh so embarrassing ass whipping they received at home in September 2018?

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Let's be honest here the number of dragons fans comparing KS with Ah Mau are the in the minority & it's a tiny minority. I can only think of maybe 3, maybe 4 fans on this forum making any type of comparison as you've alluded to.
 
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