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Emu01

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The French under 18’s national team always seem to do well against England.

The players must then get poached by Union I’d say because they can’t replicate the junior form into senior success.
 

Evil Homer

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The French under 18’s national team always seem to do well against England.

The players must then get poached by Union I’d say because they can’t replicate the junior form into senior success.
None of them go to Union. Barely any. I can't remember the last time it happened, maybe Estebanez in about 2005/06.
 

Rory

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Mate the superleague isn't great lol, nsw cup teams would push them. France won't win a game, I hope I'm wrong.

Ugh. This comment triggers me so much, cause its people like you that know next to nothing about league and reckon NRL is better simply cause you live in Australia. Did you not see a full super league/kingstone press nations like Scotland and France beat Tonga and PNG? Absolute f**ktard.
 

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Well,what happens to all their promising juniors then?
The biggest problem is that they don't get the game time and exposure they need to develop properly. For an example, and not sure if this is what provoked your post, France and England u18s actually played tonight, the score was 19-18 to England. Of the two teams, 8 of the England team have already played Super League while only one of the France team has (Lucas Albert who is also in the senior France squad). One of the other French players is at Toulouse and getting a decent run, but for the others it could be years before they are even close to the first team at Catalans, they have a huge log jam of players to get past and can't even get regular game time for the reserves until they are 21-22 years old in some cases. Hopefully things will change somewhat with the Catalans u19s playing in the SL u19s comp for the past two years, which at least gives them some high-level exposure on a regular basis. But there just haven't been the proper pathways and opportunities for these kids in the past.
 

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Those teams were in preseason and also travelled to England for a week, the superleague clubs were well into the season. I agree maybe the top 5 clubs or so would beat qld cup and nsw teams, but the bottom few superleague teams would struggle

So a little travel turns top 4 NRL squads into NSW Cup quality does it... riiight
 

jim_57

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Well,what happens to all their promising juniors then?

As EH said. Most of them waste away at Elite 1 level because Catalans never want to take "risks" when they could just sign fringe NRL players. Another classic symptom of P&R.

Catalans over the last few years have been majorly dissapointing in that regard. Unfortunately changing country and dealing with a language barrier would deter a lot of French talent from trying England earlier, a lot seem to go only after a few years with no luck at Catalans, which are a vital few years wasted in their development.
 

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The biggest problem is that they don't get the game time and exposure they need to develop properly. For an example, and not sure if this is what provoked your post, France and England u18s actually played tonight, the score was 19-18 to England. Of the two teams, 8 of the England team have already played Super League while only one of the France team has (Lucas Albert who is also in the senior France squad). One of the other French players is at Toulouse and getting a decent run, but for the others it could be years before they are even close to the first team at Catalans, they have a huge log jam of players to get past and can't even get regular game time for the reserves until they are 21-22 years old in some cases. Hopefully things will change somewhat with the Catalans u19s playing in the SL u19s comp for the past two years, which at least gives them some high-level exposure on a regular basis. But there just haven't been the proper pathways and opportunities for these kids in the past.

Hopefully if Toulouse do make SL they have a better attitude than Catalans.
Or the near miss for Catalans this year results in a change in attitude to how they go about things.
 

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The biggest problem is that they don't get the game time and exposure they need to develop properly. For an example, and not sure if this is what provoked your post, France and England u18s actually played tonight, the score was 19-18 to England. Of the two teams, 8 of the England team have already played Super League while only one of the France team has (Lucas Albert who is also in the senior France squad). One of the other French players is at Toulouse and getting a decent run, but for the others it could be years before they are even close to the first team at Catalans, they have a huge log jam of players to get past and can't even get regular game time for the reserves until they are 21-22 years old in some cases. Hopefully things will change somewhat with the Catalans u19s playing in the SL u19s comp for the past two years, which at least gives them some high-level exposure on a regular basis. But there just haven't been the proper pathways and opportunities for these kids in the past.

So why don't more English clubs pick them up? Why not give a 15% discount on the salary cap for French juniors etc?
 

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Because English clubs have their own juniors. And nobody is giving salary cap discounts lol come on

Fine. It sounds as though the French produce good juniors, who then have no where to go if they want to progress make it to SuperLeague. Surely the English clubs could use a few of them if their Under 18 team is consistently on par with their English counterparts?
 

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So why don't more English clubs pick them up? Why not give a 15% discount on the salary cap for French juniors etc?

A lot would be apprehensive to move country and deal with a language barrier at such a young age. Especially when there are professional clubs in France.
 

LeagueXIII

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Fine. It sounds as though the French produce good juniors, who then have no where to go if they want to progress make it to SuperLeague. Surely the English clubs could use a few of them if their Under 18 team is consistently on par with their English counterparts?

Might have something to do with the game in Australia is supported by billion dollar TV deals compared to the French game which doesn't have any. It's apples and oranges at senior level.
 

LineBall

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Might have something to do with the game in Australia is supported by billion dollar TV deals compared to the French game which doesn't have any. It's apples and oranges at senior level.

I understand that, but I don't see how that is relevant to my question regarding the English clubs and their recruitment of French players.
 

adamkungl

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If there are 2 French teams in SL in the near future and another 1-2 more in the RFL system I don't think we're having this conversation come 2021. France aren't far off, only really missing a true superstar.

Edit: Or the much-dreamed of French Pro league ever gets going lol
 

Evil Homer

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Fine. It sounds as though the French produce good juniors, who then have no where to go if they want to progress make it to SuperLeague. Surely the English clubs could use a few of them if their Under 18 team is consistently on par with their English counterparts?
Because it's a hell of a challenge for both the player and club to house a 19 year old kid in a very different country with a different language, integrate them to a different culture and different style of footy and then develop them with all the regular challenges that usually come with player development anyway, especially when there is already a pathway in place for them in France. It's a huge commitment and challenge on both the part of the club and player. It still happens very occasionally (although a lot less since Catalans u19s launched) but the only one that has really been successful and progressed to Super League level without coming through the French league first is Theo Fages.
 

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If there are 2 French teams in SL in the near future and another 1-2 more in the RFL system I don't think we're having this conversation come 2021. France aren't far off, only really missing a true superstar.
Not sure about that, Toulouse have their own youngsters who they bring through at their own pace but there's still a huge logjam of players in the Catalans system, and the result is you end up with guys like Alexandre Mickalezyk who was a great prospect in the French junior teams and even spent a year with the Roosters SG Ball, went back to Catalans and played in the U19s but then could barely get a game for their reserves due to the huge backlog of players waiting for a chance in his position and now has left the club to join Carcassone in the Elite league where he will probably spend the rest of his career.
 

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