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Frank Farina tells NRL, AFL told to grow up over Cup bid

Firey_Dragon

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LOL @ everyone who thinks the AFL and NRL will still outrate the world cup, if it were to be played in australia. Love or hate soccer, it is THE premier sporting event in the world, nothing is bigger. I also would hazard a guess that there are probably more fans of soccer nation wide than either AFL or NRL, and no the A-league doesn't count, but there are plenty of casual viewers of the EPL and spanish leagues, not to mention the amount of kids who play soccer which are alot higher than league or AFL numbers.

Will it increase soccer's standing in Australia significantly? Probably not.
Will it be a gold mine for our tourism and sporting industry? Definitely.

Getting the world cup is massive, and whilst I can see why the AFL and NRL are putting up a fight, it's failing to look at the big picture. In particular in the NRL's case. The infrastructure alone will help the expansion of our game, and it won't cost the NRL a cent.

Farina was right in what he said, even if he came across as an arrogant twat.
 
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Fraser

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farina can f**k himself, rugby league is the number 1 code in town, if we can show everyone outside australia our great product then maybe they will leave us alone and have their pansyball in a faggy european country
 
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In relation to the A League, to be honest the standard is below the NSL of the late 80's early 90's. There are people talking it up, but basically it is a mediocre standard and that is why it rates poorly and the crowds are dwindling. I find it hard to understand that the soccer critics on TV etc talk it up, it is basically rubbish.

The World Cup soccer and the EPL are a different kettle of fish, but no one should compare the local soccer to the sports people watch and care care about in Australia, particularly on this forum

A guy I know just moved to Brisbane from England. He went to an A-League soon after arriving. I highly doubt he ever goes again. The words he used to describe the standard of the A-League are exactly the reason why we are seeing dwindling support for the comp. Words like 'awful' and 'atrocious' and 'amateur' and 'pathetic'
 

Fraser

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A guy I know just moved to Brisbane from England. He went to an A-League soon after arriving. I highly doubt he ever goes again. The words he used to describe the standard of the A-League are exactly the reason why we are seeing dwindling support for the comp. Words like 'awful' and 'atrocious' and 'amateur' and 'pathetic'

Agreed, barely 5000 watch the brisbane bore, i guess this means the sleeping giant is ready to put another brisbane team in 2013 given its huge success
 
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I don't know what's funnier, that comment or their actual crowds this season because they've never been lower :lol:

Here's a breakdown of average regular season crowds:

05-06: 10,995
06-07: 12,927
07-08: 14,160
08-09: 12,180
Up to round 18 this year: 9491



Well laughing boy, maybe I should have made myself clearer. I meant before A League like some years they were lucky to average 2k.
 
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A guy I know just moved to Brisbane from England. He went to an A-League soon after arriving. I highly doubt he ever goes again. The words he used to describe the standard of the A-League are exactly the reason why we are seeing dwindling support for the comp. Words like 'awful' and 'atrocious' and 'amateur' and 'pathetic'



The guy you know doesn't understand that the A League has set itself up as a feeder competition for the Euro and Asian comps for the next few years. Of course he's thinks it's sh1t and it is. Everyone knows that but it's got to start somewhere I guess.
 

gurudave

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Funny thread with some very naive and completely clueless posters.

"Gaba" Thanks for your comments they made my day :lol:
 

BLKOUT!

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I love soccer but to say the WC is bigger than the Olympics? Piss off. Still, hope we get it one day regardless.
 

mozza91

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Well laughing boy, maybe I should have made myself clearer. I meant before A League like some years they were lucky to average 2k.
Some A League teams are nearly that bad now, the Jets struggle to get 5K and they play on a Sunday Arvo all the time, I'd feel sorry for them but I want them to fail
 

BLKOUT!

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It is bigger than the olympics... get out from under the rock you live.

Based on what genius? Because it's a sport you like? TV numbers? By that logic the rugby union World Cup is bigger too because 50 billion people in 7 galaxies watch it according to the ARU.

6 million people attended the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, 3.3 million went to watch the last football World Cup in Germany. More events in the Olympics? Sure, but that is part of what makes it bigger.

I hate f**kwits who don't do any research before making claims. It gives real football/soccer fans a bad name because you just come across as excessively biased and clueless.

Edit:

Before you bring up the erroneous television figures I'll do it for you. The 2008 Olympic opening ceremony was apparently watched by over 2 billion people according to Nielsen. The 2006 World Cup final was watched by 600 million. But no, I'm the one living under a rock.

http://www.marketresearchworld.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2230&Itemid=77
http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-c...-the-most-watched-sporting-event-in-2006.html
 
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1 Eyed TEZZA

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Yeah for those claiming that the Soccer World Cup is bigger then the Olympics, Id like to see proof of that.

The Olympics has a hell of alot more nations competing in it with alot more events, but only over a 2 week period. Does the Soccer World Cup generate more money then the Olympics?
 
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Just like Fozzy and Frank, I still don’t care what you think

good for you.

Look guys, its in 13 years - if we get it.

let them have their world cup, you whinging little sooks, its bigger than rl - big deal, who cares.

The world watches soccer, you watch rl and each to his own....yet here you all are crying "freedom please! The nrl deserves to be left alone - big nasty powerful soccer"...but it works both ways.

So now everyone is trying to marginalise soccer to the Nth degree and whinge bitch and moan. How pathetic.

You losers need to get a life. It will go for a couple of months. You've got 13 years to prepare yourselves - if we get it - and ffs, each one of you sooking pussy cats will require every single day of those years to adjust.



and some food for thought. real profits of events....
http://nogames.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mega_events-matheson.pdf
 
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MsStorm

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Here's a breakdown of average regular season crowds:

05-06: 10,995
06-07: 12,927
07-08: 14,160
08-09: 12,180
Up to round 18 this year: 9491

If its wasn't for Melbourne Victory, those averages would be much less.

Having said that, I like the fact they have a plan in place, unlike our ever so conservative competition and given time and patience, I think the A-League will gradually grow stronger.
 

Evenflow

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Based on what genius? Because it's a sport you like? TV numbers? By that logic the rugby union World Cup is bigger too because 50 billion people in 7 galaxies watch it according to the ARU.

6 million people attended the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, 3.3 million went to watch the last football World Cup in Germany. More events in the Olympics? Sure, but that is part of what makes it bigger.

I hate f**kwits who don't do any research before making claims. It gives real football/soccer fans a bad name because you just come across as excessively biased and clueless.

Edit:

Before you bring up the erroneous television figures I'll do it for you. The 2008 Olympic opening ceremony was apparently watched by over 2 billion people according to Nielsen. The 2006 World Cup final was watched by 600 million. But no, I'm the one living under a rock.

http://www.marketresearchworld.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2230&Itemid=77
http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-c...-the-most-watched-sporting-event-in-2006.html


This ^

I'm sick and tired of these soccer nuffies spruiking the utter bullsh*t to anyone who cares to listen that the WC is bigger than the Olympics. I've yet to hear one valid reason from them why it is yet many reasons to prove it's clearly not.

So here's your chance boys, for those delusional disciples of FIFA who have been brainwashed into actually believing that the WC is bigger than the Olympics, can you please give us any valid reason whatsoever as to why you think that is? If you're going to make such a ridiculous and inaccurate claims and actually believe your tripe then you shouldn't have any trouble at all coming up with at least a few points. Good luck with that.
 

gerg

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Beware the coming soccer circus

While the Opposition bangs on about waste and excess in the Government's spend on Pink Batts and primary school halls, I haven't seen a mention of the looming soccer circus. You could stuff a lot of school halls full of Pink Batts for $2.9 billion.

Maybe that's just the nature of Australian politics - every wannabe baby-kisser loves to be associated with a major sporting event and never mind the cost. Besides, who knows who might be in government by 2022, fully primed for photo ops?

And cost Australia hosting the soccer World Cup will, as Yoda might phrase it.

The $2.9 billion is what PricewaterhouseCoopers reckons hosting the cup could cost after meeting FIFA's stringent and sometimes outrageous conditions. According to FIFA - the quaint governing body that can't organise a video replay to prevent blatant cheating - no Australian stadium is good enough and no other major sporting events will be allowed within a couple of months of the round ball tournament.

Hilariously, Australia has already signed up to comply with FIFA's whims and fancies despite the only costing apparently being the PwC study commissioned by Frank Lowy's FFA.

Uh-oh, that sounds rather like an ''independent expert report'' and most of us know what independent expert reports are like: they tell those paying for it pretty much what they want to hear. Think all those independent expert reports for the likes of Timbercorp and Great Southern, the report that found AMP buying GIO was a good idea and the amazing divergence of opinion whenever the two sides of a contested takeover each hire an ''independent'' expert.

Given the track record of such hired experts, in my opinion there is good reason to be wary, very wary, of the PwC numbers.

Before blow-outs

Even taken at face value, it's pretty scary stuff: they're already talking of an Australian World Cup running at a tangible $1.3 billion loss and that's before all the usual blow-outs and complications and after optimistic assumptions about the number and type of tourists that might come. (You might need a considerably larger security spend on English soccer fans than you do on British and Irish Lions rugby fans, for example.)

And there's another reason why the FFA/PwC numbers could be fraught with fiscal danger: for some strange reason, they're a big secret.

People and organisations in my experience tend not to be overly protective of robust reports of which they're proud. Ask PwC for the copy of the report and you're told, not unreasonably, that it was commissioned by FFA and therefore belongs to them so it's up to FFA to release it.

Ask FFA for a copy and the answer is ''no''.

It has been selectively leaked though to the AFR which last week described it as a ''PricewaterhouseCoopers business case prepared for the government''. My understanding would be more like ''an FFA pitch for a couple of billion dollars of taxpayers' funds''.

I'm reduced to working off the AFR report of the PwC report which ''assumes'' a maximum spend of $2.9 billion on stadia and predicts that the nation would receive in return $345 million in net benefits.

And that's where the report leaps into the wonderfully vague world of intangibles. You see, you can only come up with those $345 million in net benefits if you also predict a very abstract $1.64 billion windfall from the promotion of ''Brand Australia''.

The last time I saw crucial intangibles of that order was in ABC Learning's last set of accounts.

German model

It looks like the PwC/FFA study draws heavily on the German experience of staging the latest World Cup with a claimed 1.1 million visitors. Put on a soccer tournament when your neighbours are a couple of hundred million soccer fans and there's a good chance several will drop by for a look. Stage the same tournament on the other side of the earth, well, you can't just walk over.

A much better comparison might be made with the Sydney Olympic Games, the ''best ever'', of course. And a great party too for everyone involved, a fantastic time to be a Sydneysider. Even crime rates dropped sharply. There was a suspicion something mildly mind-altering may have been added to the water for the duration.

And there was massive global coverage of ''Brand Sydney'' and ''Brand Australia'' with the games and everything about them receiving positive play. One can only wonder what valuation PwC might have put on that at the time, especially with the then-rich North American market that isn't soccer-crazy but enjoys a good Olympics.

But the rich wave of international tourists didn't really come. The events were generally filled with wonderfully generous Australian fans. And New South Wales is still paying for the hangover with that ``Brand Sydney'' stuff proving very intangible indeed.

So far it seems the hoi polloi haven't caught on to what an enormous spend the soccer mob has signed us up for if we win the bidding competition. (And that's not a cheap game to play either - you could fund Australia's Copenhagen delegation many, many times over and still have change for team t-shirts and budgie smugglers.)

There's been a story about gaps already appearing between the NSW and Federal Governments over exactly who would pay the $200 million just to make Sydney's ANZ Stadium acceptable for FIFA, but that is less than 7 per cent of FIFA's ''business case'' cost.

And for a really good laugh, there's an internet soccer writer who's opined in relationship to the AFL apparently not wanting to get out of FFA's way:

''The economic benefit created by hosting a World Cup would be massive, so FIFA and the FFA will be in a position to financially compensate the AFL for any losses.''

Yeah, right. And if you believe that, you could probably hang out a shingle for writing independent expert reports.

Michael Pascoe is a BusinessDay contributing editor.

unable to attach link as new user - SMH article from yesterday
 
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Based on what genius? Because it's a sport you like? TV numbers? By that logic the rugby union World Cup is bigger too because 50 billion people in 7 galaxies watch it according to the ARU.

6 million people attended the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, 3.3 million went to watch the last football World Cup in Germany. More events in the Olympics? Sure, but that is part of what makes it bigger.

I hate f**kwits who don't do any research before making claims. It gives real football/soccer fans a bad name because you just come across as excessively biased and clueless.

Edit:

Before you bring up the erroneous television figures I'll do it for you. The 2008 Olympic opening ceremony was apparently watched by over 2 billion people according to Nielsen. The 2006 World Cup final was watched by 600 million. But no, I'm the one living under a rock.

http://www.marketresearchworld.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2230&Itemid=77
http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-c...-the-most-watched-sporting-event-in-2006.html





Okay, I'm happy to compare 2006 (in spite of world and China population increases in this period) to 2008 because, let's face it that's all we've got for now until S. Africa.

First of all, this link claims 1 billion, although a record.

http://www.sports-city.org/news_details.php?news_id=8049&idCategory=37

The opening ceremony at last year’s Olympic Games in China was the most watched live event in human history, outstripping the moon landings, the funeral of Princess Diana and Barack Obama’s inauguration. The Sunday Times revealed that the Beijing extravaganza, staged at the Bird’s Nest stadium on August 8, attracted the world’s first “genuine 1 billion” television audience, according to an authoritative report.

So great, the world's most populous nation watched their very own Olympics. What were they doing before?

Now this and remember it's 2006, I'll pull some bits of interest out;

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/sports/soccer/11sandomir.html

“The World Cup final has the single largest global audience in sports,” Kevin Alavy, a senior analyst for the media agency Initiative Futures Worldwide, said from London. “It doubles the audience for the Olympic opening ceremony in Athens and triples the Super Bowl.”

Sponsorship Intelligence expects at least one billion for the final and more than 30 billion over all — nearly five times the total number of earthlings.[/I]


Even Euro was bigger than the previous Olympics;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/blogs/hand-of-god/3101298/Is-the-World-Cup-bigger-than-the-Olympics

The final of Euro 2004 easily eclipsed the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games to win the title of the most watched sporting event of the year, concludes a study harshly critical of global sport events for inflating their viewing figures.

The final between Portugal and Greece was seen by 153 million TV viewers globally, aided by a massive rise in the number in Asian viewers, cementing football's place as the most popular sport in the world.

But the Olympics produced four events in the top 10. The second most watched event was the opening ceremony of the games, which attracted 127 million viewers, followed by the closing ceremony, which attracted 96 million.




The opening and closing ceremony is the only thing the Olympics. Yes it's big but sorry, that's not sport!

It does appear that China has the record but historically, it's appears (so far) to be a one-off. Take away their song and dance - and the Olympics have nothing. Well, not exactly true, they have soccer.


Ole, ole, ole, ole, oloeee, ole
 
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BLKOUT!

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There is not one reputable source amongst that whole mess. I'll take Nielsen over stuff.co.nz or some rep for a media agency. Considering you know, they actually record the ratings. And sports-city.org lol. What are their sources? The sports-city one is probably my favourite. It says most numbers released for these events are all hyperbole and estimates based on number of people who COULD watch it rather than those who do, then turns around and presents their own estimate. Fantastic.

Plus, like I said, isn't the Rugby Union World Cup said to be watched by 3 billion people? Yeah I'm convinced. What were the attendances of the Beijing Olympics compared to the attendances of the World Cup?

The opening and closing ceremony is the only thing the Olympics. Yes it's big but sorry, that's not sport!

We're comparing events, not sports. The Olympics isn't a sport bro.
 
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Green Machine

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good for you.

Look guys, its in 13 years - if we get it.

let them have their world cup, you whinging little sooks, its bigger than rl - big deal, who cares.

The world watches soccer, you watch rl and each to his own....yet here you all are crying "freedom please! The nrl deserves to be left alone - big nasty powerful soccer"...but it works both ways.

So now everyone is trying to marginalise soccer to the Nth degree and whinge bitch and moan. How pathetic.

You losers need to get a life. It will go for a couple of months. You've got 13 years to prepare yourselves - if we get it - and ffs, each one of you sooking pussy cats will require every single day of those years to adjust.


and some food for thought. real profits of events....
http://nogames.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mega_events-matheson.pdf
I got to the 3rd line and fell asleep............................
 

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