French Rugby Union spitefulness to RL

[ParraEelsNRL]

Maybe this stuff about France should be made into a sticky so that any Rugga bugga wanting to come in here will see it and think twice about going on with their BS.

Thanks for that Yanto, haven't read all of that for ages, makes a persons blood boil.

 

[ucantseeme]

If RL has been in the doldrums for so long in France, why would these RU tosspots go around tearing down RL posters and booking stadiums so we cant play test matches.

Obviously they're aware the deck is massively stacked against RL with lack of recognition from the French government and all the stuff written by Yanto, so why do they resort to guerilla warfare tactics? You would think if they love RU so much they would try to sabotage soccer instead as it's more of a threat and more comparable in size.

 

[screeny]

PW you ignorant, bitter man, where are you?

Thanks for posting that Yanto, as ParraEels says, it makes one's blood boil.

Good idea about Sticky, too.

 

[CAS]

The reason Rugby Union will never take on Soccer like it has Rugby League,its because they wouldnt Dare, thats why.

Like ALL Bullies, they only take on those perceived to be weaker than themselves. What has happened in France and still is, is totally deplorable, and how any Rah Rah can turn a blind eye to it is equally deplorable. Make Know mistake, the Union Fans and Press especially in the Northern Hemisphere are aware of what went on, but it is like a little Shameful secret that is swept under the carpet. And when you have the Press on your side, who is going to go sniffing it out?

When you take Union on though and fight back (ala Gordon Tallis offering to take the Wallabies on) like ALL Bullies, they soon back down and dont want to fight anymore.

France will be hosting the Union World Cup in 2007. I think the world should Know exactly what they are all about.

 

[brendothejet]

Has anyone noticed that the more and more facts you bring into a thread the less and less PW shows up???

hmm now theres an idea...


*PW bashing posts today - 4 and going up*

 

[CAS]

Be fair mate.

If you spouted your Mouth off and talked out of your Ass, then someone provided Information to back it up, would you respond??????

The old Ignore, Deflect and state the Obvious, is alive and well with these Union Trolls.

 

[taipan]

PW and Woods99 appear to want to dodge the bad history factor,which is understandable.Especially as France is a member of the "rugby family".Dont rock the boat.Unfortunately or fortunately have already had 2 letters published in the Sydney press on Vichy/union dirty work.nothing like the power of the pen huh!

 

[Woods99]

PW and Woods99 appear to want to dodge the bad history factor,which is understandable.Especially as France is a member of the "rugby family".Dont rock the boat.Unfortunately or fortunately have already had 2 letters published in the Sydney press on Vichy/union dirty work.nothing like the power of the pen huh!

Taipan,

Keep living in the past, if you want to. Rugby league was thriving in France during the fifties, well after the Vichy regime had been consigned to history. In fact, the French league team made a spectacularly popular and successful tour of Australia, if not more than one, during the fifties as well.

I think you will find that the real reason that rugby union was so much more popular than rugby league in France is that rugby union was openly professional, and had a lot more money than rugby league.

But, frankly, who cares? A handful of league supporters trying to take some of the gloss away from the 2007 RWC. Nobody else. Certainly not the vast majority of the French people, apparently.

 

[taipan]

Taipan,

Keep living in the past, if you want to. Rugby league was thriving in France during the fifties, well after the Vichy regime had been consigned to history. In fact, the French league team made a spectacularly popular and successful tour of Australia, if not more than one, during the fifties as well.

I think you will find that the real reason that rugby union was so much more popular than rugby league in France is that rugby union was openly professional, and had a lot more money than rugby league.

But, frankly, who cares? A handful of league supporters trying to take some of the gloss away from the 2007 RWC. Nobody else. Certainly not the vast majority of the French people, apparently.

Living in the past:lol: ,whilst curently,now at this minute,the French have still not reimbursed the league either by getting union to return the assets or the govt does so.
It was not thriving in the fifties compared to the 40s,it was starting to go downhill.Yes thay had a competitive national side,but that soon dissipated with the refusal of the govt to recognise the code of rugby league being called rugby,therefore lack of support,they have only been allowed to call themselves rugby in the last 20 odd years for starters,not allowed to be taught in the schools,and of course the missing money and assets held by the league prior to 1941.
Openly professional :lol: that is extremely debatable,BTW if you lose your bargaining chip ie money of course union would have more money than league>Its a no friggin brainer.There was just as much money being thrown around prior to 41 by union admin,it is not a later phenomenon.
Any gloss that may or may not be taken away from the union world cup,is a result of inaction by those involved,not a handfull of league supporters.
Obviously you have never heard of X111 Actif,little more a a handfull old chief.
I am glad you speak for the majority of French people.
Would anyone really expect you to care.There is none so blind than one who cannot see or words to that effect.
Must remember to tell the oz aboriginals that they were living in the past,whilst they were endeavouring to get justice for the return of land and of course the stolen generation issue.Yeah stuff justice as long as it doesnt tarnish my code.:lol:

 

[Woods99]

Taipan,

To compare the issue of land rights for Australian aborigines with the treatment of rugby league in France shows that you have absolutely no sense of history, or no sense of proportion, or both.

Neither you nor I speak on behalf of the French people. That is precisely why I could not give a rat's ass about something that is totally internal to France, and which is trivial at best in the scheme of things. Blimey, you are talking about the nation which happily sent Jews off to the gas ovens during the Vichy regime.

If the French people care about whatever did or did not happen to rugby league, as a democracy nowadays, presumably any wrongs will be righted. Sixty years is a long time for people not to care about something.

 

[Green Machine]

Blimey, you are talking about the nation which happily sent Jews off to the gas ovens during the Vichy regime.

I don’t agree with you. I don’t think that the legitimate French Government, who was in exile from the Nazis ever had anything to do with sending anyone to the Gas Chambers. I don’t even think the French people who we under Nazi occupation, were happily involved with sending Jews to the gas chambers. Recently there was a series on Auschwitz on the ABC. One episode dealt with the rounding up by local authorities, of foreign Jewish people for exportation to Auschwitz. A very sad chapter in the history of last century,

 

[Woods99]

I don’t agree with you. I don’t think that the legitimate French Government, who was in exile from the Nazis ever had anything to do with sending anyone to the Gas Chambers. I don’t even think the French people who we under Nazi occupation, were happily involved with sending Jews to the gas chambers. Recently there was a series on Auschwitz on the ABC. One episode dealt with the rounding up by local authorities, of foreign Jewish people for exportation to Auschwitz. A very sad chapter in the history of last century,

GM,

I am not a historian, by any means. However, I have just read a review ( in "The New Yorker" November 28, 2005, if you are interested) of a recently published book titled "Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945" by an academic historian called Tony Judt.

A couple of excerpts from the review: "...the behaviour of most Europeans under Fascism and Nazi occupation was less admirable than anyone wished to acknowledge........The bewildering collapse of the great French Army, which folded within six weeks of the German advance in the spring of 1940; the alacrity with which many countries adapted to occupation; and the willingness to ignore, and sometimes to assist in, the deportations all made distasteful memories. Judt notes that France, a country with a population of some forty million, was administered by fifteen hundred Nazis, plus six thousand German policemen."

"When West Germany protested the entry of "Night and Fog", Alain Resnais's documentary about the Holocaust, in the 1956 Cannes Film Festival, France obligingly withdrew it............In 1961, in one of the ugliest atrocities in a war of atrocities, the French police massacred two hundred Algerians in the streets of Paris; the chief of police was Maurice Papon, a man who had been active, during the war, in rounding up French Jews to be transported to Auschwitz. He did not go on trial for that crime until 1997 when he received a ten year sentence but was released early, for health reasons."

I do not think there is any doubt that a lot of the French people were either involved in collaboration under the Vichy regime, and/or tolerated the expulsion of Jews from France to certain death.

 

[taipan]

Taipan,

To compare the issue of land rights for Australian aborigines with the treatment of rugby league in France shows that you have absolutely no sense of history, or no sense of proportion, or both.

Neither you nor I speak on behalf of the French people. That is precisely why I could not give a rat's ass about something that is totally internal to France, and which is trivial at best in the scheme of things. Blimey, you are talking about the nation which happily sent Jews off to the gas ovens during the Vichy regime.

If the French people care about whatever did or did not happen to rugby league, as a democracy nowadays, presumably any wrongs will be righted. Sixty years is a long time for people not to care about something.

Woods99 the comparison ? is just as valid,justice is justice regardless of time.
What the hell !.Its trivial in your eyes simply because you code was up to its eyeballs in the collusion and you are only adopting the attitude of the FRU nothing new.What the hell has the treatment of the Jews got to do with it,of course that was the major issue.
The French people received the usual snow job from the govt,and in true union fashion swept in under the carpet.Thats why there is an organisation X111 Actif pushing the issue.60 years in the scheme of things is FA.If you had your assets purloined ,you would continue to try and get it back till you drew your last breath.BTW democracies are not perfect so you cant presume anything unless you are prepared to do something.
Anycase I dont have to convince you(waste of time and space) ,suffice to say that union has a world cup in 2007 in France,and IMO justice has not seen to be done.Whether you give a rats is immaterial,but expected."Dont mention the war";-)

 

[screeny]

GM,

I am not a historian, by any means. However, I have just read a review ( in "The New Yorker" November 28, 2005, if you are interested) of a recently published book titled "Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945" by an academic historian called Tony Judt.

A couple of excerpts from the review: "...the behaviour of most Europeans under Fascism and Nazi occupation was less admirable than anyone wished to acknowledge........The bewildering collapse of the great French Army, which folded within six weeks of the German advance in the spring of 1940; the alacrity with which many countries adapted to occupation; and the willingness to ignore, and sometimes to assist in, the deportations all made distasteful memories. Judt notes that France, a country with a population of some forty million, was administered by fifteen hundred Nazis, plus six thousand German policemen."

"When West Germany protested the entry of "Night and Fog", Alain Resnais's documentary about the Holocaust, in the 1956 Cannes Film Festival, France obligingly withdrew it............In 1961, in one of the ugliest atrocities in a war of atrocities, the French police massacred two hundred Algerians in the streets of Paris; the chief of police was Maurice Papon, a man who had been active, during the war, in rounding up French Jews to be transported to Auschwitz. He did not go on trial for that crime until 1997 when he received a ten year sentence but was released early, for health reasons."

I do not think there is any doubt that a lot of the French people were either involved in collaboration under the Vichy regime, and/or tolerated the expulsion of Jews from France to certain death.

So what's your point? That there are fascists or collaborators in every country occupied (or not) in WWII? Surely that's obvious.

To say there were no fascists in France, or Poland, or anywhere else is ridiculous.

What's this got to do with French RU and RL? I've lost track (again).

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

If I may go back to the original topic for just a moment?

For the historical record: the French rugby union vandals were unable to rip down all the poster advertisements for the Australia vs France Test match at Perpignan because many of the large promotional posters were locked inside huge glass displays, located along main streets. I tried to get one out as a souvenir after the game had ended but found it impossible to open the glass enclosure. I doubt that anyone without an axe or an electric drill could have succeeded in extracting the posters.