The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Perth Red]

They'd need to do this 4 or 5 times a year. Doable, but a promoter will say "why do that when we can get the same amount of people, and cash by doing one concert bang smack in between both of them at Homebush"
Also ran by the state government.

Yeh think it was more a justification by govt tbh. How many concerts does Gold Coast stadium host for example?

 

[Colk]

If that was the plan, build a stadium that is accessible to the airport in order to hope for concerts, why wouldn’t they build a stadium in the Bradfield area. At least a prospective stadium built in that area would potentially have two tenants - Dogs and if they grew a brain the Tigers. It would also be potentially used by MacArthur in the A-League

 

[Ozzi_78]

I’m just forecasting the articles talking about a wasted facility could be written now and just put on ice til 2030 when only Penrith use it 10 times a year.

Sure probably not the case of course but proportionate to the spend it is a problem.

Hypothetically
300M (min) for 20 events per year
Vs
50M for the 20 events per year (min) at shark park (based on what it’s already used for)

Anyway… pork barreling as you say.

Oh and just so we are clear, I’m not saying the sharks should get more (infact I’m shocked they are in line for anything) I’m suggesting though the panthers rebuild is not inline with what the state really needs. But good luck to them.

 

[Canard]

Surely they can get it under $300mil? NQ's was about $290 mil all up, the roof structure being cyclone rated would have pushed the price up a bit more. I guess construction costs have gone up considerably the last few years.

QCB is honestly the benchmark for the sub 30k rectangular stadiums in Oz IMO, it's much nicer to watch games at than CBUS, especially with the separation between the top and lower tiers, you can still watch the game when you're getting a feed/drink.

Agreed re: the Stadium

As for Construction costs, they've gone up ~20% since Nov 2021, and no sign of slowing anytime soon.

Frankly, in a infrastructure space already bursting at the seams with work, this timing couldn't be any worse.

 

[Wb1234]

hes also the member for penrith area, coincidence I’m sure!

it’s common

john Howard got saints mon

I’m just forecasting the articles talking about a wasted facility could be written now and just put on ice til 2030 when only Penrith use it 10 times a year.

Sure probably not the case of course but proportionate to the spend it is a problem.

Hypothetically
300M (min) for 20 events per year
Vs
50M for the 20 events per year (min) at shark park (based on what it’s already used for)

Anyway… pork barreling as you say.

Oh and just so we are clear, I’m not saying the sharks should get more (infact I’m shocked they are in line for anything) I’m suggesting though the panthers rebuild is not inline with what the state really needs. But good luck to them.

The nsw government is keeping the nrl grand final which the arlc could sell for 20 million a year

so of course to give up that money they want to see a benefit for rugby league

if the panthers are the only ones that use it so what that’s why the government did the deal in the first place

mother codes like union and soccer can piggyback off this.

nobody os building these new grounds in Sydney for soccer or union that’s for sure

 

[Wb1234]

If that was the plan, build a stadium that is accessible to the airport in order to hope for concerts, why wouldn’t they build a stadium in the Bradfield area. At least a prospective stadium built in that area would potentially have two tenants - Dogs and if they grew a brain the Tigers. It would also be potentially used by MacArthur in the A-League

So instead of a stadium right near their leagues club and in Penrith you want to build a white elephant nowhere close by in the hope tigers and dogs use it ?

 

[Ozzi_78]

if the panthers are the only ones that use it so what that’s why the government did the deal in the first place

Im sure I’m not alone in thinking that is an absolute stupid waste of tax payers money.

The ongoing opex alone makes that simply a dumb decision.

I hope they find more tenants on a permanent basis for such a significant investment.

 

[Wb1234]

Im sure I’m not alone in thinking that is an absolute stupid waste of tax payers money.

The ongoing opex alone makes that simply a dumb decision.

I hope they find more tenants on a permanent basis for such a significant investment.

Yeh there’s been a massive uproar since commbank got built.

if you disapprove of the governments decision you can vote for the other party and see if they change their minds but it might be too late by then

 

[Ozzi_78]

So instead of a stadium right near their leagues club and in Penrith you want to build a white elephant nowhere close by in the hope tigers and dogs use it ?

I get his point.

The current plan is to build a new stadium for just Penrith as you just mentioned, in what we would agree is not central location.

Why not give Penrith 100M to do a suburban ground upgrade and build a new stadium in a more central location for potentially more tenants to use?

If it’s just to secure grand final rights then reach more fans by putting it somewhere that benefits more people.

 

[Ozzi_78]

Yeh there’s been a massive uproar since commbank got built.

if you disapprove of the governments decision you can vote for the other party and see if they change their minds but it might be too late by then

Commbank is used almost every week isn’t it?

You are suggesting “so what if it’s just Penrith”?

 

[Wb1234]

I get his point.

The current plan is to build a new stadium for just Penrith as you just mentioned, in what we would agree is not central location.

Why not give Penrith 100M to do a suburban ground upgrade and build a new stadium in a more central location for potentially more tenants to use?

If it’s just to secure grand final rights then reach more fans by putting it somewhere that benefits more people.

Because none of those clubs play anywhere near Bradfield. It would be a bad solution for Penrith dogs and tigers

 

[Iamback]

They'd need to do this 4 or 5 times a year. Doable, but a promoter will say "why do that when we can get the same amount of people, and cash by doing one concert bang smack in between both of them at Homebush"
Also ran by the state government.

That is where it is up to the government to sell it to promoters.

They will need content. It makes no sense to only use Bankwest and SFS

 

[Colk]

I get his point.

The current plan is to build a new stadium for just Penrith as you just mentioned, in what we would agree is not central location.

Why not give Penrith 100M to do a suburban ground upgrade and build a new stadium in a more central location for potentially more tenants to use?

If it’s just to secure grand final rights then reach more fans by putting it somewhere that benefits more people.

That’s exactly my point. I’m not suggesting we build it now per se but if you wanted a stadium plan that made sense you have a big stadium in the three CBD areas which will be Sydney CBD, Parramatta and Bradfield. The latter is going to be the new growth corridor of Sydney along with the connected areas like MacArthur, Campbelltown and the outskirts of Liverpool and as they are CBD areas they will be better serviced by transport.

Anyway strategically it would benefit both the Dogs and Tigers (also might make them think more strategically) and also you can bet your bottom dollar that other sports are looking at that area - so get in first

 

[Iamback]

I’m just forecasting the articles talking about a wasted facility could be written now and just put on ice til 2030 when only Penrith use it 10 times a year.

Sure probably not the case of course but proportionate to the spend it is a problem.

Hypothetically
300M (min) for 20 events per year
Vs
50M for the 20 events per year (min) at shark park (based on what it’s already used for)

Anyway… pork barreling as you say.

Oh and just so we are clear, I’m not saying the sharks should get more (infact I’m shocked they are in line for anything) I’m suggesting though the panthers rebuild is not inline with what the state really needs. But good luck to them.

There is no reason they can't get 100 or so events across NSW stadiums.

If Penrith gets used 20 times a year + corporate functions it will be fine given the area it will cover

 

[bad boy bubby]

That is where it is up to the government to sell it to promoters.

They will need content. It makes no sense to only use Bankwest and SFS

Thats a fair point, but like I said, a promoter will see that they get the same cash for one concert at Homebush, so the govt would have to give them extra incentives to do an extra one. Not to mention that they already have Homebush set up for big events, and people are used to going there from all over Sydney.

 

[Iamback]

If that was the plan, build a stadium that is accessible to the airport in order to hope for concerts, why wouldn’t they build a stadium in the Bradfield area. At least a prospective stadium built in that area would potentially have two tenants - Dogs and if they grew a brain the Tigers. It would also be potentially used by MacArthur in the A-League

how does that service Blue Mountains/Hawkesbury though?

The reason Penrith was chosen over a new suburb. That it is in middle of the west growth suburbs.

 

[Iamback]

Thats a fair point, but like I said, a promoter will see that they get the same cash for one concert at Homebush, so the govt would have to give them extra incentives to do an extra one. Not to mention that they already have Homebush set up for big events, and people are used to going there from all over Sydney.

The unknown here is how bad is traffic going to get once all the houses are put in etc.

Using London as a guide. They often get concerts across multiple venues.

It is hard with nothing recently due to travel restrictions but Elton John played Commbank and Homebush.

I doubt the same people went to both

 

[Ozzi_78]

Because none of those clubs play anywhere near Bradfield. It would be a bad solution for Penrith dogs and tigers

I didn’t mention Bradfield.

Sometimes the best solution isn’t to build it just to say it’s built.

 

[Colk]

how does that service Blue Mountains/Hawkesbury though?

The reason Penrith was chosen over a new suburb. That it is in middle of the west growth suburbs.

I am not against Penrith being upgraded, I’m against the amount of money being spent on it; particularly if it’s within a budget of $800 million that is meant to be divided amongst several grounds. If you are going to spend that much money on the overall kitty on one ground, then you want more than one tenant

 

[Ozzi_78]

I am not against Penrith being upgraded, I’m against the amount of money being spent on it; particularly if it’s within a budget of $800 million that is meant to be divided amongst several grounds. If you are going to spend that much money on the overall kitty on one ground, then you want more than one tenant

Yeah that’s where I’m at too. I wouldn’t even begrudge the dragons getting a cut if it overall benefits the fans.

Truth is all these posts one day will be re read and some people will be right and some won’t. We just don’t know.