The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Menaiduck]

Think what you like. Having lived there for over 20 years in an earlier life and having close ties to the place I’ll take my view over yours. But then again you know everything don’t you? Tassie already has the facility to house an afl club with highly suitable grounds in the north and south that never reach capacity. That is a fact. Spending 750 million dollars for 7000 extra seats is an extravagance and is chest beating. Every now and then you are wrong. But your afl rose coloured glasses taints your objectivity all too often.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Be mainly for concerts. Aussies are soft, they dont go out in the rain lol. Maybe a roof will encourage them to.

I had these two northerners working for me, good lads. We were digging a big trench out where it had to be done by hand as there were too many pipes and services to use a machine.
It started pissing down, torrential rain that we get here, it doesn't happen in Perth.
I told them to stop and come inside, it was the middle of summer, but not a hot day, they could not understand why the rest of us went inside. They kept staying out there. I told them how when this rain when its warm gets on your skin it opens you up to getting real sickness. They openly laughed and said how bad it was "at 'ome" and this is nothing.
I told them if they do not come inside I wont pay them if they get sick (they were casual so they didnt get sick pay anyway, but I used to give it to them if they had the occasional day off).
2 days later one of them is sick as a dog, the next day the other one.
They tried coming into work to prove a point but then ended up having a full week off each.

We know our country better than what you do. lol.

 

[Frailty]

Think what you like. Having lived there for over 20 years in an earlier life and having close ties to the place I’ll take my view over yours. But then again you know everything don’t you? Tassie already has the facility to house an afl club with highly suitable grounds in the north and south that never reach capacity. That is a fact. Spending 750 million dollars for 7000 extra seats is an extravagance and is chest beating. Every now and then you are wrong. But your afl rose coloured glasses taints your objectivity all too often.

I can't believe I'm going to say this.... In Perth Red's defence - I'm not sure he is saying the current facilities aren't capable of housing an AFL. Rather that it is a waste of money simply to show the AFL "look at what we're willing to spend on a ground, imagine what other concessions from government you will get".

For the Tassie government, an AFL team would be another notch to increase tourism and corporate investment in the state.

 

[Perth Red]

Think what you like. Having lived there for over 20 years in an earlier life and having close ties to the place I’ll take my view over yours. But then again you know everything don’t you? Tassie already has the facility to house an afl club with highly suitable grounds in the north and south that never reach capacity. That is a fact. Spending 750 million dollars for 7000 extra seats is an extravagance and is chest beating. Every now and then you are wrong. But your afl rose coloured glasses taints your objectivity all too often.

Bless, the old chestnut, I've lived there so I know everything and you dont lol. If you cant see this is part of a wider strategy by the Tassie Govt to get the AFL to place the next club in tassie then that's your myopia, not mine. Does the city need it? probably not. does it help their argument for the next afl club? most likely. Will it ever happen? Doesn't sound very likely.

 

[Perth Red]

I had these two northerners working for me, good lads. We were digging a big trench out where it had to be done by hand as there were too many pipes and services to use a machine.
It started pissing down, torrential rain that we get here, it doesn't happen in Perth.
I told them to stop and come inside, it was the middle of summer, but not a hot day, they could not understand why the rest of us went inside. They kept staying out there. I told them how when this rain when its warm gets on your skin it opens you up to getting real sickness. They openly laughed and said how bad it was "at 'ome" and this is nothing.
I told them if they do not come inside I wont pay them if they get sick (they were casual so they didnt get sick pay anyway, but I used to give it to them if they had the occasional day off).
2 days later one of them is sick as a dog, the next day the other one.
They tried coming into work to prove a point but then ended up having a full week off each.

We know our country better than what you do. lol.

You have transmittable infections in your rain where you live? Sht no wonder no one goes to the NRL when the sky darkens.

 

[Wb1234]

Ideally we should all like to see NRL in Sydney come out of this in a much better position and set for the next 30-40 years in terms of stadiums. Having moved away from a centralised model the only option left is to try and get as many home grounds up to date as possible.
I don't agree with LO and think a shared new stadium for Dogs and Tigers would make much more sense and set them both up for the future. lipstick on LO and nowhere for dogs to go leaves them both in exactly the same situation they are in now.
Shark park and Brookvale hopefully get enough to make a big difference otherwise once again it leaves them behind for many many years to come.
Id like to have seen regions get some love as well and Newcastle get end stands and Win a new sideline stand.
If they'd gone that way with the strategy every club would have been playing out of new or much improved stadiums and be set for decades to come. Its a shame NRL couldn't have convinced the govt of this strategy.

If it wasn’t for vlandys all this extra money

An enclosed, multi-purpose stadium on the harbour.

Is Tasmania's planned AFL stadium a 'bold vision' or a 'flashy headline'?

Plans for a $750 million AFL stadium in Hobart divide opinion, with some seeing it as big step towards a Tasmanian team but others scoffing at the price amid a pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

It is simply not necessary. Fans detest Australia’s only roofed multi purpose stadium (Marvel) and also the only other multi purpose stadium (Accor). They could build a regular 27k oval stadium for $350m, and $150m on a 12k rectangular stadium elsewhere if and when they get an A League club and have a much better outcome for all sports.

So

Looks like Tigers would be up for sharing a stadium in Liverpool. Just need Bulldogs and MacArthur to agree and then NRL get lobbying NSW govt!

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnsw%2Fwests-tigers-chairman-backs-call-for-new-liverpool-nrl-stadium%2Fnews-story%2F0622628e2b1208068a79fcda7195174b&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-hot-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

the tigers are up for a ground away from both their traditional areas and well away from t

Hobart already has a 19,500 seat stadium with room to expand by re-configuring the members enclosure.

With the way housing and health is in Tassie at the moment, building a whiz-bang, retractable roof stadium which would only hold a few thousand more to host 5-6 AFL games a season would be an astonishing waste of money.

im sure it’s based on getting an afl team of their own in the afl

Bless, the old chestnut, I've lived there so I know everything and you dont lol. If you cant see this is part of a wider strategy by the Tassie Govt to get the AFL to place the next club in tassie then that's your myopia, not mine. Does the city need it? probably not. does it help their argument for the next afl club? most likely. Will it ever happen? Doesn't sound very likely.

they are idiots spending that money without the guarantee of a side. Indeed the way they pay Hawthorne and the other club millions to play there just stops them getting their own team

one of those weaker Melbourne sides would move if the Tasmanian government stopped giving them those deals

 

[bad boy bubby]

You have transmittable infections in your rain where you live? Sht no wonder no one goes to the NRL when the sky darkens.

They didnt realise that they were getting cold/hot/cold/hot for hours, one of them ended up getting Pneumonia.
I give it to them, they were trying to be 'ard just like many poms that come out here. They soon learnt to listen.

 

[Menaiduck]

Bless, the old chestnut, I've lived there so I know everything and you dont lol. If you cant see this is part of a wider strategy by the Tassie Govt to get the AFL to place the next club in tassie then that's your myopia, not mine. Does the city need it? probably not. does it help their argument for the next afl club? most likely. Will it ever happen? Doesn't sound very likely.

Well if there is one thing we’ve established here it’s that you live thousands of miles away from anywhere but know everything. My view is based on specific knowledge of the current grounds which are of afl standard already in the state. It is also based on my relationship with high level public servants in the state who are engaged in this process. It is based on twenty years previously living in the state. The proposed ground is absolutely unnecessary and the proposal itself is chest beating. Nothing else. I’m happy to agree to disagree but you might have to accept that occasionally somebody might know more than you about something.

 

[Menaiduck]

If it wasn’t for vlandys all this extra money

So

the tigers are up for a ground away from both their traditional areas and well away from t

im sure it’s based on getting an afl team of their own in the afl

they are idiots spending that money without the guarantee of a side. Indeed the way they pay Hawthorne and the other club millions to play there just stops them getting their own team

one of those weaker Melbourne sides would move if the Tasmanian government stopped giving them those deals

The fact is with the afl virtually having no further expansion options on the table you’d think Tasmania would be in a position to dictate terms around getting a side. We on the other hand have multiple options open to us. We are in a stronger position than them to decide where we place a side next. Don’t tell PR though as he only sees the negative with us and the positive with them.

 

[Perth Red]

Well if there is one thing we’ve established here it’s that you live thousands of miles away from anywhere but know everything. My view is based on specific knowledge of the current grounds which are of afl standard already in the state. It is also based on my relationship with high level public servants in the state who are engaged in this process. It is based on twenty years previously living in the state. The proposed ground is absolutely unnecessary and the proposal itself is chest beating. Nothing else. I’m happy to agree to disagree but you might have to accept that occasionally somebody might know more than you about something.

haha, bless you seem hurt.
Again you miss the point totally. its not if they NEED new grounds, it's will a state of the art new stadium help convince the AFL that a Tassie club is a good idea and a stronger addition to the comp. That is the only reason it is being proposed, that's not chest beating that's strategic decision making to make their bid for a club more appealing. Id have thought someone with such strong local knowledge would understand that.

 

[Perth Red]

The fact is with the afl virtually having no further expansion options on the table you’d think Tasmania would be in a position to dictate terms around getting a side. We on the other hand have multiple options open to us. We are in a stronger position than them to decide where we place a side next. Don’t tell PR though as he only sees the negative with us and the positive with them.

The AFL wont expand again, they don't need to, unless a tenth game will bring in a lot more money in their next Tv deal. AFL dont need a Tassie side and there is no clear option for club 20. They are at big risk bringing in two small cities like Canberra and Hobart for little reward unless a tenth game can realise $60mill plus which is unlikely.
We have options largely because we closed down and then ignored key potential markets for over two decades.

 

[Menaiduck]

haha, bless you seem hurt.
Again you miss the point totally. its not if they NEED new grounds, it's will a state of the art new stadium help convince the AFL that a Tassie club is a good idea and a stronger addition to the comp. That is the only reason it is being proposed, that's not chest beating that's strategic decision making to make their bid for a club more appealing.

I’m amused mate. Amused by what a pompous know all you are. The way you puff yourself chest out and talk over people when they know more than you really is amusing. Hobart already has a stadium sitting in Bellerive that easily meets afl standards and easily could be transformed into a state of the art facility for a smidgeon of the cost of a new ground. How do I know this? I sat there and watched an afl game there last year. The ground has excellent corporate facilities, and is at least as good as 90% of the facilities I’ve watched various versions of football over the last decade. A new ground is not necessary and is a waste of money.

 

[Perth Red]

Anyway back to the thread. Any indications of decision timelines for the NSW govt next announcements? Hvent seen anything from the Feds election anywhere about funding anything sports wise, has anyone else?

I see Magic Round is set to stay at Suncorp for next two years.

 

[Menaiduck]

The AFL wont expand again, they don't need to, unless a tenth game will bring in a lot more money in their next Tv deal. AFL dont need a Tassie side and there is no clear option for club 20. They are at big risk bringing in two small cities like Canberra and Hobart for little reward unless a tenth game can realise $60mill plus which is unlikely.
We have options largely because we closed down and then ignored key potential markets for over two decades.

There it is again. Afl good NRL bad. On and on it goes.

 

[Perth Red]

There it is again. Afl good NRL bad. On and on it goes.

Not good or bad, just what it is.

 

[Ozzi_78]

Be mainly for concerts. Aussies are soft, they dont go out in the rain lol. Maybe a roof will encourage them to.

Hey hey hey… “we don’t even fly when it’s raining”.
Greg, 25 from Melbourne.

 

[Menaiduck]

Not good or bad, just what it is.

Bias. That’s what it is. Afl rose coloured glasses tailor made for a bloke who can’t move on.

 

[Ozzi_78]

Anyway back to the thread. Any indications of decision timelines for the NSW govt next announcements? Hvent seen anything from the Feds election anywhere about funding anything sports wise, has anyone else?

I see Magic Round is set to stay at Suncorp for next two years.

Will be when state govt budget is announced in June.

 

[Perth Red]

Bias. That’s what it is. Afl rose coloured glasses tailor made for a bloke who can’t move on.

or maybe you read into my posts what you want to?

If anything I'm agreeing with you lol. AFL has no obvious big markets left to expand into and adding Tassie and Canberra (the only possible choices) adds little to their comp, unless the tenth game can be sold for a lot of money. I'm quite surprised they arent offering big money to try and get one of the struggling Melbourne clubs to move to Hobart permanently. Solves their tassie problem without adding more burden of extra smaller cities.

NRL has a number of larger markets it could expand into still.
Why is this the case? Because AFL has the big city footprint it wants and NRL pulled out of those major markets and hasnt yet gone back. Thats not pro anything, its just the facts of what is.

Ideally if NRL is serious about looking at Perth I'd hope they would be pressuring the State Govt to commit to the second part of the HBF Park upgrade as part of that decision. Getting a new Western Corporate stand and a roof over the newish South stand would almost finish the stadium off and take it to around 26k which would be perfect

 

[Timbo]

im sure it’s based on getting an afl team of their own in the afl

Yes, yes it is but it is simply not necessary.

A city of 230,000 that already has a 20,000 seat stadium spending half a billion dollars on a 25,000 seat stadium to host six AFL matches per year? Any Tasmanian AFL side will split matches between Hobart and Launceston.

The Tassie government is getting slammed down their right now because housing is out of control and health care is imploding on a scale much worse than the mainland states.

For the sake of five thousand extra seats they'd string the premier up from the flagpole in Salamanca Place if they spent state funds like that.