The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[beave]

so will they get managerial rights like the Queensland Labor Government gave the Thuns?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...ure-of-gold-coast-titans-20150224-13nxr3.html



http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...2cbc8856a7?sv=a61f3487d321841ede61344b12aba58

Tvl current mayor Jenny Hill did a bit of a door knock in 2013 around my suburb pre-election, I chatted to her about the stadium and asked her the same thing (this was back when they were trying to get an entertainment centre and footy stadium joined together like Wollongong, now its just the footy stadium). Her reply was along the lines ' we don't want stadiums qld anywhere near the managerial role at all', she has been a very big supporter of this and her reaction to me was that her and everyone involved know that they are grubs.

 

[beave]

Just to add, so people who might be unaware and need to know just how f**ked QLD Stadiums are, Cowboys leagues had the catering rights to the whole stadium for quite a while. They did the corporate side of things but allowed all the local jnr leagues clubs to run stands/stalls all around the ground and they manned them with the mums and dads on a roster basis. Cowboys leagues took a bit of a cut but the majority of the profits went back to the kids clubs in order to pay for jerseys, gear and highly subsidised their insurance and rego. Food and booze was decently priced and was typical footy fare, nothing gourmet for the average punter but they allowed people to bring in whatever food they wanted, there was no restrictions other than your own booze (obviously).

When the club handed the managerial rights of the stadium back to the state gov, as soon as the catering contracts were up they put it all out to tender, Cowboys leagues put in a decent bid by all reports but got beaten out by Spotless because, and I'm sure I read this in a newspaper article at the time 'they wanted the same company that did Suncorp to now also do Townsville because they wanted continuation of having a familiar company provide the service' or some utter bullshit along those lines.

As soon as they took over they booted all the junior leagues clubs stalls out of the stadium to massive public outcry. The pressure mounted and they allowed the jnr leagues clubs parents to work in the spotless run canteens and boozers at the ground and the parents then got to donate their wages back to the jnr teams.......it was an absolute token gesture and really piss poor.

Food and booze prices increased big time over the offseason, and the big kicker was the security guards now started to confiscate food brought in from home. The blow ups I saw out front of the ground were huge, they eased up on the stance after (yet again) massive public outcry, they now allowed you to bring food in but it couldn't be in commercial packaging. A kinda compromise I guess but they copped a shit tin of flack over it. Families wisened up and would just get pizza hut and wrap it in glad wrap or put it in a tupperware container.......

The people up north were livid because they saw it as the state gov run down south coming up and messing with what was a really good set up that was very beneficial to everyone involved only for it to be totally ruined and f**ked by a Yank company that just wanted to make a buck and a lazy state gov that didn't seem to understand the situation and local benefits that had happened with the arrangement.

Fingers crossed the club get to manage the new stadium and a similar arrangement happens like the old days.

 

[Perth Red]

so will they get managerial rights like the Queensland Labor Government gave the Thuns?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...ure-of-gold-coast-titans-20150224-13nxr3.html



http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...2cbc8856a7?sv=a61f3487d321841ede61344b12aba58

Great deal, hopefully the nrl has learnt something.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Can't, ACT Liberals are worse then Labour in almost all regards.
It doesn't matter who you vote for you're screwed because the politicians aren't really there to represent us (the average public), it'll always be that way until someone is actually able to set up a centrist party that runs it's self on liberal principles and scientific evidence.

Its probably the only place in the country where the Greens are actually the more likely (and more reasonable) alternative...

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Just to add, so people who might be unaware and need to know just how f**ked QLD Stadiums are, Cowboys leagues had the catering rights to the whole stadium for quite a while. They did the corporate side of things but allowed all the local jnr leagues clubs to run stands/stalls all around the ground and they manned them with the mums and dads on a roster basis. Cowboys leagues took a bit of a cut but the majority of the profits went back to the kids clubs in order to pay for jerseys, gear and highly subsidised their insurance and rego. Food and booze was decently priced and was typical footy fare, nothing gourmet for the average punter but they allowed people to bring in whatever food they wanted, there was no restrictions other than your own booze (obviously).

When the club handed the managerial rights of the stadium back to the state gov, as soon as the catering contracts were up they put it all out to tender, Cowboys leagues put in a decent bid by all reports but got beaten out by Spotless because, and I'm sure I read this in a newspaper article at the time 'they wanted the same company that did Suncorp to now also do Townsville because they wanted continuation of having a familiar company provide the service' or some utter bullshit along those lines.

As soon as they took over they booted all the junior leagues clubs stalls out of the stadium to massive public outcry. The pressure mounted and they allowed the jnr leagues clubs parents to work in the spotless run canteens and boozers at the ground and the parents then got to donate their wages back to the jnr teams.......it was an absolute token gesture and really piss poor.

Food and booze prices increased big time over the offseason, and the big kicker was the security guards now started to confiscate food brought in from home. The blow ups I saw out front of the ground were huge, they eased up on the stance after (yet again) massive public outcry, they now allowed you to bring food in but it couldn't be in commercial packaging. A kinda compromise I guess but they copped a shit tin of flack over it. Families wisened up and would just get pizza hut and wrap it in glad wrap or put it in a tupperware container.......

The people up north were livid because they saw it as the state gov run down south coming up and messing with what was a really good set up that was very beneficial to everyone involved only for it to be totally ruined and f**ked by a Yank company that just wanted to make a buck and a lazy state gov that didn't seem to understand the situation and local benefits that had happened with the arrangement.

Fingers crossed the club get to manage the new stadium and a similar arrangement happens like the old days.

Such typical govt bullshit

Why would you need continuity in suppliers in stadiums that are like 2000km away from each other

 

[colly]

Labor and the AFL are as corrupt as each other

How is this Barr dipshit gets away travel routs and outrageous funds to AFL. How about Great Dane put in a ICAC complaint.
Any way ALF and McLaughlin shot themselves in the foot , big time. AFL in late 2016 took out $280 million dollar loan to buy Etihadhad stadium. Two hundred million for the sale and 80 ml for maintenance/renovations. They bought Etihad even when so that in 2025 or eight years they (AFL) would be given the keys to Etihad for a thirty dollars. So they over paid (one hundred and ninty nine million and nine hundred and ninety nine thousand, f**k you know what i mean.
It's easy to take out big loans- A ball park figure would be they will repay 2 to 3 times the amount borrowed. So they will repay close to 700 million (2.5 *) over the course of the loan over 30 years it comes to 23 ml a year. I watch this prick at the Press club just after they signed their big deal and he was asked where do think next expansion is, New Zealand, McLaughlin said, well with loan/repayment you can kiss goodby to that idea and properly expansion overall.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...on-to-buy-etihad-stadium-20170218-gufz8r.html

 

[herbert henry1908]

Its probably the only place in the country where the Greens are actually the more likely (and more reasonable) alternative...

The same Canberra greens who have just implemented a quasi blasphemy law?

 

[herbert henry1908]

Great deal, hopefully the nrl has learnt something.

NRL need to step in and get the Titans a better deal, crazy they haven't already.

Threaten to take away rep matches, whatever it takes.

 

[simmo05]

I think it will offer a decent boost to the local economy. As long as local construction workers get a crank, not like what usually happens, either crews coming from brisbane, or in the case of the port upgrade, the contractor bringing kiwis straight over from unzud.

 

[El Diablo]

How is this Barr dipshit gets away travel routs and outrageous funds to AFL. How about Great Dane put in a ICAC complaint.
Any way ALF and McLaughlin shot themselves in the foot , big time. AFL in late 2016 took out $280 million dollar loan to buy Etihadhad stadium. Two hundred million for the sale and 80 ml for maintenance/renovations. They bought Etihad even when so that in 2025 or eight years they (AFL) would be given the keys to Etihad for a thirty dollars. So they over paid (one hundred and ninty nine million and nine hundred and ninety nine thousand, f**k you know what i mean.
It's easy to take out big loans- A ball park figure would be they will repay 2 to 3 times the amount borrowed. So they will repay close to 700 million (2.5 *) over the course of the loan over 30 years it comes to 23 ml a year. I watch this prick at the Press club just after they signed their big deal and he was asked where do think next expansion is, New Zealand, McLaughlin said, well with loan/repayment you can kiss goodby to that idea and properly expansion overall.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...on-to-buy-etihad-stadium-20170218-gufz8r.html

yet now they want money and another stadium from the Government

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...m/news-story/99ee5529d3780d75e527cf515e3c6be7

The AFL is lobbying the State Government for funding in a bid to upgrade Etihad Stadium
MICHAEL WARNER, Herald Sun
March 31, 2017 3:37pm

A PLUSH hotel and Palladium-style function room are at the centre of plans for a $300 million upgrade of Etihad Stadium.

The AFL is lobbying for State Government funding in a bid to transform the 17-year-old Docklands venue.

One proposal presented to club chiefs two weeks ago would see a giant events centre built into the stadium.

The venue could eventually be used to lure official AFL events away from Crown casino.

The league’s contract to host the Brownlow in the 1650-seat Crown Palladium expired at the end of last year.

Ambitious plans for a hotel overlooking Victoria Harbour have also been drawn up.

Talks between the league and Etihad’s long-suffering tenant clubs — North Melbourne, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs — about improved stadium deals started this week, but improved arrangements are not expected to be struck until next year.

Etihad’s two other tenant clubs, Essendon and Carlton, have enjoyed more generous stadium deals at the 54,000-seat ground.

The AFL took control of Etihad late last year under a $200 million deal struck with the venues private operators.

Plans to upgrade the precinct include open-air bars, restaurants, a giant rock climbing wall, grassed parkland and a running track.

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire has pitched a rival plan to build a $1 billion, 60,000-seat stadium next door to the MCG.

A taskforce headed by Premier Daniel Andrews is exploring both options and is expected to reach a verdict in July.

Further works at Geelong’s Simonds Stadium and Eureka Stadium in Ballarat, where the Western Bulldogs will host Port Adelaide in Round 22, are also being investigated.

The Melbourne Cricket Club has unveiled its own plans for a $1 billion makeover of Brunton Ave and the railway tracks.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/78e1ef97e908f7738569b3816cd4479f

Victorian government still considering AFL’s $300 million Etihad Stadium redevelopment
ELIZA SEWELL, Herald Sun
May 2, 2017 8:46pm

THE state government is still considering the case to back the AFL’s mooted $300 million redevelopment of Etihad Stadium and surrounds.

No money was allocated towards the project in Tuesday’s State budget, but sources said that had never been a realistic hope.

The AFL last year made its pitch for funding to the Andrews Government and a task force was charged with assessing the plans, which could include a hotel, events centre and public plaza and parklands stretching to the water.

The AFL took control of the 18-year-old Docklands stadium last year in a $200m play.

It had been due to inherit ownership for a token fee in 2025 but acted early in part to help clubs struggling under onerous tenancy agreements.

The State Government taskforce is also assessing Collingwood president Eddie McGuire’s dream for a 60,000-seat stadium to be built next to the MCG. Sources said the taskforce could report as soon as next month.

In State budget allocations announced on Tuesday:

THE forecast $271.5m was confirmed for the third stage of the Melbourne Park redevelopment.

STAGE five of the Kardinia Park redevelopment was awarded $3.9m for design works.

THE State Netball and Hockey Centre was awarded $1m towards redevelopment.

A $1M boost was revealed to help win major sporting events for the state.

$10m OVER two years was set aside for a “Victorian Home of Golf and National High Performance Centre”.

EFFORTS to improve gender equality in sport were boosted by $6.2m.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Just to add, so people who might be unaware and need to know just how f**ked QLD Stadiums are, Cowboys leagues had the catering rights to the whole stadium for quite a while. They did the corporate side of things but allowed all the local jnr leagues clubs to run stands/stalls all around the ground and they manned them with the mums and dads on a roster basis. Cowboys leagues took a bit of a cut but the majority of the profits went back to the kids clubs in order to pay for jerseys, gear and highly subsidised their insurance and rego. Food and booze was decently priced and was typical footy fare, nothing gourmet for the average punter but they allowed people to bring in whatever food they wanted, there was no restrictions other than your own booze (obviously).

When the club handed the managerial rights of the stadium back to the state gov, as soon as the catering contracts were up they put it all out to tender, Cowboys leagues put in a decent bid by all reports but got beaten out by Spotless because, and I'm sure I read this in a newspaper article at the time 'they wanted the same company that did Suncorp to now also do Townsville because they wanted continuation of having a familiar company provide the service' or some utter bullshit along those lines.

As soon as they took over they booted all the junior leagues clubs stalls out of the stadium to massive public outcry. The pressure mounted and they allowed the jnr leagues clubs parents to work in the spotless run canteens and boozers at the ground and the parents then got to donate their wages back to the jnr teams.......it was an absolute token gesture and really piss poor.

Food and booze prices increased big time over the offseason, and the big kicker was the security guards now started to confiscate food brought in from home. The blow ups I saw out front of the ground were huge, they eased up on the stance after (yet again) massive public outcry, they now allowed you to bring food in but it couldn't be in commercial packaging. A kinda compromise I guess but they copped a shit tin of flack over it. Families wisened up and would just get pizza hut and wrap it in glad wrap or put it in a tupperware container.......

The people up north were livid because they saw it as the state gov run down south coming up and messing with what was a really good set up that was very beneficial to everyone involved only for it to be totally ruined and f**ked by a Yank company that just wanted to make a buck and a lazy state gov that didn't seem to understand the situation and local benefits that had happened with the arrangement.

Fingers crossed the club get to manage the new stadium and a similar arrangement happens like the old days.

And I wonder how many people who got stopped for food etc, blamed NRL or NQ Cowboys for the change without knowing the true story.

 

[wibble]

The same Canberra greens who have just implemented a quasi blasphemy law?

I'm happy with the anti discrimination laws, but less so about the vilification laws. But to call them "quasi blasphemy" laws is a bit of a stretch.

 

[The Great Dane]

Its probably the only place in the country where the Greens are actually the more likely (and more reasonable) alternative...

Ha ha.... No.

I'm happy with the anti discrimination laws, but less so about the vilification laws. But to call them "quasi blasphemy" laws is a bit of a stretch.

I think it's fair to say that in theory the ACT's anti vilification laws function as quasi blasphemy laws. Particularly in the case of Islam where any challenge to Islamic idea's is considered Islamophobia in this day and age. For example, even just wearing a shirt that says Islam sucks or Christianity is a lie could be considered religious vilification under the new laws, publicly expressing anti (insert religion here) sentiments or ideas is considered vilification as well, so in theory these laws could be used as blasphemy laws.

I say in theory because as far as I know these laws haven't be used yet, or if they have it hasn't been in a case worth talking about anyway.

 

[Perth Red]

This is a random drift from future NRL stadiums, even for this forum!

 

[wibble]

Ha ha.... No.



I think it's fair to say that in theory the ACT's anti vilification laws function as quasi blasphemy laws. Particularly in the case of Islam where any challenge to Islamic idea's is considered Islamophobia in this day and age. For example, even just wearing a shirt that says Islam sucks or Christianity is a lie could be considered religious vilification under the new laws, publicly expressing anti (insert religion here) sentiments or ideas is considered vilification as well, so in theory these laws could be used as blasphemy laws.

I say in theory because as far as I know these laws haven't be used yet, or if they have it hasn't been in a case worth talking about anyway.

Well, if they get used like that I'll agree with you. Vilification, as far as I can tell, is an act against a person, based on their religion (or other criteria), not against the religion itself.

I'm wary of anything that erodes freedom of speech, and also agree that you should not be discriminated against because of your religion (that is what discrimination laws are for though). In general, I think vilification can be covered by assault and/or discrimination laws, and doesn't need its own law.

I'm also wary of "free speech" defenders using privileged positions to ironically silence minorities in the name of free speech, which happens all the time as well. But I don't think we need laws to prevent this, unless it becomes discrimination.

But I'm not that concerned if it's over lapping territory, and covers acts against individuals. I should, however, be able to say all I like that Islam is stupid, or violent, or Christianity is a fairy tail, or that only believers have true wisdom. And I should be able to say your beliefs are stupid, as well.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rug...w-stadium-to-host-prelim-20170504-gvygl3.html

NRL CEO Todd Greenberg says Canberra Raiders need new stadium to host prelim

• 
  David Polkinghorne
  

The Canberra Raiders face a long wait to host a preliminary final with NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg declaring they'd need a new stadium do it.

It means the Melbourne Storm and North Queensland Cowboys will continue to be shown favouritism when it comes to hosting grand final qualifier despite having similar capacity stadiums to the home of the Green Machine.

Currently, the Raiders have to travel to Sydney if they earn the right to host a prelim with Greenberg stating those big games needed to be played in stadium with a capacity of 40,000 plus - despite that being something neither the Storm nor Cowboys boast.

The Raiders are currently treading water to find out where they'll play games in the future, with the proposed Civic Stadium up in the air indefinitely as the ACT government struggles to find the $350 million needed for it.

Canberra's charge deep into last year's NRL finals brought the rule that prevents them from hosting a prelim into the spotlight, something that could come up again this year if the Raiders - who sit just two wins off second spot - can get on a role.

Greenberg said there hadn't been any discussions with the Raiders about changing the rule and it was unlikely unless a new stadium was built.


"The way the rules are written that when you get to a preliminary final it should be played in a stadium that could take a capacity of 40,000 plus," he told Fairfax Media.

"Last year was fantastic, I attended the second final here in Canberra and the atmosphere was electric. Pleasingly, Canberra got two finals so hopefully they get more this year.

"We would be very open to considering with new investment in infrastructure and stadiums to playing more finals here.

"Without that the current rules apply and would make it more difficult to change."

Greenberg has spoken to the government in regards to stadium plans and felt that kind of infrastructure was important to the community.

He said Canberra's cold weather was also a factor the government needed to consider if they wanted to continue to attract major events to the capital.

Canberra Stadium will host three Rugby league World Cup games at the end of the year, including a return of the Kangaroos - who are in town for Friday night's Anzac Test against New Zealand.

Greenberg said a new Civic Stadium would bolster Canberra's chances of attracting more Test matches in the future.

"Three [World Cup] games here in Canberra alone says a lot for the appetite for rugby league in Canberra," he said.

"We'd like to play more Test matches here in time and other events too. A lot of that will depend on the stadium developments that the ACT government are talking about right now."

Last week, AFL boss Gillon McLachlan said he wanted to become the No.1 sport in the ACT in the next five years.

That mantle's currently held by rugby league ever since the birth of the Raiders in 1982.

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman John Grant said having that permanent presence in Canberra makes a "huge difference".

He said the ACT was strategically important for all codes as a "gateway to country NSW".

There are plans to turn the Raiders headquarters into a country academy if they build a new base at Braddon.

"We're administrators of two great football codes and we have great aspirations for our codes," Grant said.

"Canberra's rugby league and we're not going to make it any easier for the AFL to take.

"Discussions we've already had with the chief minister here with the Raiders facility and the opportunity to have that as our centre of excellence for country rugby league in NSW is one of the conversations that we're having."

 

[Perth Red]

NRL just trying to get the govt motivated to build raiders a decent stadium rather than deny raiders a justified final possibly?

 

[axl rose]

Just to add, so people who might be unaware and need to know just how f**ked QLD Stadiums are,
.

At the Gabba for the Twenty 20 in the Summer they dont even let you bring in water.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

NRL just trying to get the govt motivated to build raiders a decent stadium rather than deny raiders a justified final possibly?

Yeh, but i hope TOdd is doing more than the occasional newspaper article to lobby...

He could easily be using a carrot-stick approach to this ("build it = gain internationals/9s/etc, give the cash to VFL = lose the marquee games you are currently getting")

 

[Perth Red]

You'd hope so. How fcking weak is Grant?
"We're administrators of two great football codes and we have great aspirations for our codes," Grant said.

Could you ever imagine AFL talking us up like that?

If the Force does get cut the only tenant left for the Govt owned nib stadium is Glory who don't attract many fans, it is going to be a white elephant for them. Perfect opportunity to demand a good rental deal and a CofE for RL in WA to move a team into it.