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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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The NSW Govt has stood their ground , there was a deal , it was broken ... a new deal , it was broken , all with this Liberal NSW Govt .
Vlandys went public with a threat to take the NRL's GF to other cities if this Govt that our code had a deal with , is not honored. He doesn't give me the impression he's the sort of guy to make idle threats.

So the GF will be up for grabs starting with this years & it will go to Brisbane.
Perth 2023
Adelaide 2024
Melb 2025

I'd ban Sydney from having it til at least 2026 as punishment for their reneging on the deal.
& even then they'll pay , oh they'll pay for it
 

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/br...-the-new-allianz-stadium-20220802-p5b6nc.html

‘Bread and circuses’: The first sneak peek at the new Allianz Stadium​

By Adrian Proszenko

August 2, 2022 — 3.45pm


Sydney Roosters coach Trent Robinson believes that sport now has, in the form of the new Allianz Stadium, a worthy colosseum in the east.
“You talk about the old Roman thing of bread and circuses, they are important to the people,” Robinson said.

Sneak peek into Sydney's newest football stadium


“That goes back to ancient times, why people come out to watch entertainment; it’s because they want to see people doing extraordinary things.”
The media on Tuesday got its first glimpse of Allianz, which will host a free community open day and night on August 28, headlined by Australian music acts Guy Sebastian and Baker Boy. However, it will predominantly host sporting events and the Roosters will be an anchor tenant. They will get first use of the stadium in a blockbuster final-round clash against arch rivals South Sydney on September 2.

“That area has been our area since 1908,” Robinson said.
“I love the fact that, for the Roosters, it’s always a balance between that tip of the cap to history and the continual progression forward. That’s what that area and stadium does for us.

Walkthrough Sydney's newest football stadium

Walkthrough Sydney's newest football stadium

“I’ve been around the world – at my expense, I might add – looking at the best stadiums all over the world. This is right up there,” Shepherd said.
“Wembley and Tottenham Hotspur Stadiums are the ones to benchmark against. They are bigger stadiums but designed with the consumer in mind. It’s about making the customer experience as good as you can in terms of food and beverage, access, seat comfort, view lines, all of those sorts of things.”
Allianz Stadium is just about ready to host live entertainment.

Allianz Stadium is just about ready to host live entertainment.
The old Sydney Football Stadium provided rain cover to only 30 per cent of patrons, with that figure now at 100 per cent. There’s an exclusive area inside that allows patrons to watch the teams warm up – coaches can choose to frost the glass if they want privacy – before they run out.
Renowned Indigenous artist Tony Albert designed the artwork illustrated across the outside seats, which are set on the same gradient as those at CommBank.

“The concept is ‘Two worlds colliding’,” Albert said. “Whether through friendly or very fierce competition, it’s about this engagement of two separate groups. Culturally I’ve decided to do that through the land and the sea; one end of the design is the ocean through the bubbles and the other is landmarking through this cross-hatched design.
“It was an opportunity to tell the story and for the people to engage with the artwork literally, they are literally sitting on it.”
“I’ve been ... looking at the best stadiums all over the world. This is right up there.”
SCG Trust chairman Tony Shepherd.
The stadium was delivered on time, despite the obstacles presented by the torrential rain that battered the worksite.
“We were three days away from laying the turf before the flood hit, which was one of the biggest issues we had,” said Evergreen Turf project supervisor Chris Chapman.

“We finally laid it last Monday week.”
The Roosters-Rabbitohs match is the first of three big sporting events in five days; the Wallabies will host reigning Rugby World Cup champions South Africa on September 3, before the Matildas take on reigning Olympic champions Canada on September 6 in an international friendly.
Frosted glass panels will allow VIP members to view players warming up in the change rooms.


Robinson believes the new stadium will provide the best possible experience for fans.
“We want them to come,” Robinson said.


“They love rugby league or whichever sport they enjoy in that stadium, but they get to experience it in a modern way.
“That was the reason the stadium was redone; it wasn’t as much about the teams that are going to inhabit the ground, it’s about the people who are going to come and watch.”
 

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Refurbish Wollongong and get the Dragons to play the majority of games there.

Have the Dogs, Tigers play the majority of their games at Commbank (say 9-10) with a couple of smaller attending games at Belmore and Campbelltown respectively. Roosters and Souths can play at the SFS. Sharks and Dragons can also play their big drawing games there (say 3-4; although the Sharks should be really aiming to play more there) with the smaller games at Shark Park and Wollongong. Manly and Penrith can play at their refurbished stadiums

Keep the powder dry in order to build a Commbank size stadium in the South West when the airport and the train lines are built in anticipation of the massive population boom down there.
 

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Well what do you propose? It’s unreasonable to expect 5 or 6 stadiums to be built/refurbished. There are also other areas like Wollongong that might be wanting to be refurbushed
That's the problem, you've got WIN and Newcastle that both deserve upgrades, then five metro clubs (Bulldogs, Tigers x2, Manly, Dragons, Sharks) needing suburban grounds that need massive spends on them to bring them up to anything like 21st century acceptability if you stick with the current model. Good luck with that!

Build Manly a new 22k stadium,
Dogs, Tigers, Eels to share WSS,
Souths to SFS,
new 25k southern Sydney stadium for Dragons and Sharks
and the Penrith one to go ahead.
That has every Sydney club playing in a state of the art fit for purpose venue within 2-3 years and costs the NSW govt around $400million on top of what's been committed. Even less if they sell WSS to the NRL and use those funds to contribute.
 
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Refurbish Wollongong and get the Dragons to play the majority of games there.

Have the Dogs, Tigers play the majority of their games at Commbank (say 9-10) with a couple of smaller attending games at Belmore and Campbelltown respectively. Roosters and Souths can play at the SFS. Sharks and Dragons can also play their big drawing games there (say 3-4; although the Sharks should be really aiming to play more there) with the smaller games at Shark Park and Wollongong. Manly and Penrith can play at their refurbished stadiums

Keep the powder dry in order to build a Commbank size stadium in the South West when the airport and the train lines are built in anticipation of the massive population boom down there.
manly isn't getting refurbed now ...
 

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Colk

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That's the problem, you've got WIN and Newcastle that both deserve upgrades, then five metro clubs (Bulldogs, Tigers x2, Manly, Dragons, Sharks) needing suburban grounds that need massive spends on them to bring them up to anything like 21st century acceptability if you stick with the current model. Good luck with that!

Build Manly a new 22k stadium,
Dogs, Tigers, Eels to share WSS,
Souths to SFS,
new southern Sydney stadium for Dragons and Sharks
and the Penrith one to go ahead.
That has every Sydney club playing in a state of the art fit for purpose venue within 2-3 years.

Coming from Newcastle, I don’t think Hunter Stadium needs an upgrade yet. Maybe in 5-10 years time. Wollongong definitely needs one.

I don’t know about the viability of a Southern Sydney stadium. Who would be playing there outside of the Sharks? Maybe a small amount for an upgrade of Shark Park The Dragons future growth is really the Wollongong and the South Coast. Both those clubs just need to play games at the SFS. It would help (Sharks predominantly) to expand their supporter base.

I know this is not NSW but in terms of regions Canberra needs it more than anybody.
 

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Also this hopefully will put an end at the very least to the Leichhardt upgrade talk. That was a ridiculous suggestion and it will help Tigers a decision on one major ground to play at
 

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Coming from Newcastle, I don’t think Hunter Stadium needs an upgrade yet. Maybe in 5-10 years time. Wollongong definitely needs one.

I don’t know about the viability of a Southern Sydney stadium. Who would be playing there outside of the Sharks? Maybe a small amount for an upgrade of Shark Park The Dragons future growth is really the Wollongong and the South Coast. Both those clubs just need to play games at the SFS. It would help (Sharks predominantly) to expand their supporter base.

I know this is not NSW but in terms of regions Canberra needs it more than anybody.
Problem for Dragons is corporates are in Sydney, not the Illawarra. They will need to maintain a footprint there for that reason. Also Wollongong, from what I've experienced so far, seems largely made up of people from Sydney with existing clubs or not much interest in RL. I've seen more jerseys and car stickers of other clubs than Dragons. A southern Stadium for Sharks, at least 4 Dragons games and an Aleague side would be a worthwhile investment.
 

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Some just need to relocate within Sydney. Sharks to SFS. Tome of a teams fans will not travel 30 minutes they are useless and should be properly relocated.

Doesn’t matter where you build a stadium per se within a city as there will be a group or set of supporters inconvenienced by it.
 

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Doesn’t matter where you build a stadium per se within a city as there will be a group or set of supporters inconvenienced by it.
Problem with what nsw govt strategy is that A) it hasnt built stadiums directly next to the main train routes. Even commbank was a bit of a walk from the station, though it looks like trams are going I so that will help and B) its listened to Vlandys who believes suburban footy is the future of the game.

Its not surprising that Smith, who wasn't stuck in the 70's Sydney mentality, could see that shared quality stadiums with reciprocal ticketing was the way to build NRL crowds up to AFL levels.

Now you could see Machiavellian maneuvers in this Vlandys approach, the less clubs can earn from game day the more reliant on the NRL grant they are and less likely to rock the boat with NRLHQ. Or it could be he is just stuck in the past and is happy with 14k crowds.
 

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Problem for Dragons is corporates are in Sydney, not the Illawarra. They will need to maintain a footprint there for that reason. Also Wollongong, from what I've experienced so far, seems largely made up of people from Sydney with existing clubs or not much interest in RL. I've seen more jerseys and car stickers of other clubs than Dragons. A southern Stadium for Sharks, at least 4 Dragons games and an Aleague side would be a worthwhile investment.

I get that. Same issue when discussion turns to a CC side. I would counter with the view that the Dragons, more than any other club barring Souths perhaps, have supporters across all of Sydney and a lot in the inner suburbs. Hence, why I would play their home games against fellow Sydney teams (at least say Parra, Roosters, Souths, Bulldogs, Tigers, maybe even Manly and the Sharks) at SFS

Their games at Wollongong would be against regional or interstate sides.
 

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I get that. Same issue when discussion turns to a CC side. I would counter with the view that the Dragons, more than any other club barring Souths perhaps, have supporters across all of Sydney and a lot in the inner suburbs. Hence, why I would play their home games against fellow Sydney teams (at least say Parra, Roosters, Souths, Bulldogs, Tigers, maybe even Manly and the Sharks) at SFS

Their games at Wollongong would be against regional or interstate sides.
yes if we dont get a shared southern stadium totally agree. Kogarah is not fit for NRL and as you say Dragons have city wide appeal and a strong brand that they could build even more right across Sydney. Throw in the massive capacity of SFS and you have also sorts of opportunities to maximise the venue. Working in conjunction with NRL and other clubs they could have 4 games at SFS against Roosters, Souths, Tigers and Eels every year in decent time slots that have reciprocal admission for full members. So effectively Dragons fans in Sydney get to see them 8 times for price of a 4 game membership in Sydneys best stadiums. Should be aiming for at least 20k at each of those games. Imagine if there was 15k Dragons fans and 10k away fans at every Dragons game, and the reverse at their away games. the atmosphere would be amazing and bring even more people to the game. Sydney is not capitalising on its strengths which is two fanbases in close proximity to the game!
Then play the Sharks there on a Sunday afternoon. Its only 15km from Kogorah to SFS, its dumb as dogsht to suggest they should be tarting up Kogorah when there's a state of the art stadium 15km away!
The other 7 games at WIN with a big push for a new stand to be built there.
 
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Colk

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Problem with what nsw govt strategy is that A) it hasnt built stadiums directly next to the main train routes. Even commbank was a bit of a walk from the station, though it looks like trams are going I so that will help and B) its listened to Vlandys who believes suburban footy is the future of the game.

Its not surprising that Smith, who wasn't stuck in the 70's Sydney mentality, could see that shared quality stadiums with reciprocal ticketing was the way to build NRL crowds up to AFL levels.

Now you could see Machiavellian maneuvers in this Vlandys approach, the less clubs can earn from game day the more reliant on the NRL grant they are and less likely to rock the boat with NRLHQ. Or it could be he is just stuck in the past and is happy with 14k crowds.

Traffic and transport is a big thing but the train system is getting a lot better, so in 10 to 15 years time a lot of these problems, if not completely overcome, will be alleviated to a certain degree. South Sydney might still be an issue.

Scheduling is the other big one. Play more day games. Cheaper seats/tickets as well.

Most of all, it’s also bent to this idea that a suburban club can only have, or only has, supporters within their own suburban enclaves. In order for other clubs to reach Souths and Parramatta levels they need to actually expand their customer base and look at outside of Cronulla or Manly
 

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