The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Maximus]

Coz regular matches draw less at homebush & parra

Bulldogs got over 19k against Souths in round 18. Belmore would have had to lock fans out because it doesn't have the capacity

 

[Pippen94]

But Al says! lol.
The proof of the pudding and all that, less fans attend suburban grounds, you really don't need any further evidence.

Wants survey. Gets surveys. Still crying. NRL should listen to fans

 

[Pippen94]

Bulldogs got over 19k against Souths in round 18. Belmore would have had to lock fans out because it doesn't have the capacity

Belmore would've soldout

 

[Perth Red]

This year 30k, 2019 32k, 2010 36k...f'n liars

Are you saying AFL clubs would have got more than this years 30.8k avg if they had stayed in their run down suburban ovals? Seriously?? Both Perth clubs have seen a 30% jump in crowds moving to the state of the art Optus stadium.

 

[Colk]

This year 30k, 2019 32k, 2010 36k...f'n liars

Haha you are moving the goalposts. You said They were doing better before? Before what?

If you are making a point about centralised stadia not working then you have to make a comparison between when it has been available and when it hasn’t been available. Have their crowds not increased post 1997?

 

[Perth Red]

Wants survey. Gets surveys. Still crying. NRL should listen to fans

Yes Al should be running things. Won't someone think of the children?!

 

[Pippen94]

Are you saying AFL clubs would have got more than this years 30.8k avg if they had stayed in their run down suburban ovals? Seriously?? Both Perth clubs have seen a 30% jump in crowds moving to the state of the art Optus stadium.

When did Perth have suburban grounds?! Not in the afl. That drop must be Melbourne clubs missing local grounds..but I thought fancy grounds simply attract more fans?!

 

[Maximus]

Belmore would've soldout

Belmore's capacity is less than the amount of fans that attended. Why do you want lower crowds and lockouts of fans who want to attend?

 

[Pippen94]

Haha you are moving the goalposts. You said They were doing better before? Before what?

If you are making a point about centralised stadia not working then you have to make a comparison between when it has been available and when it hasn’t been available. Have their crowds not increased post 1997?

They dropping.

 

[Maximus]

When did Perth have suburban grounds?! Not in the afl. That drop must be Melbourne clubs missing local grounds..but I thought fancy grounds simply attract more fans?!

What grounds do you think Melbourne teams were playing at in 2010 and 2019?

 

[Colk]

They dropping.

Yes but are they not ahead of what they were pre 1997 or are they? It’s a simple question.

Rather than comparing multiple years when they have had the same conditions (centralised stadia) which doesn’t really mean anything or have any bearing to the point, compare when the conditions were different.

 

[Perth Red]

When did Perth have suburban grounds?! Not in the afl. That drop must be Melbourne clubs missing local grounds..but I thought fancy grounds simply attract more fans?!

Subiaco was 20 years past its sell by date. Moving to a bigger improved stadium saw a 30% jump in attendance. That's what happens when you give customers what they want.

 

[Perth Red]

There are some sydney clubs in NRL that are small fanbases (Sharks and Manly) and likely will always be small fanbases. They are the ones that ideally would get $150-200mil spent on their local stadia to get it to something like modern 20-25k standard. Then we have clubs like Tigers, Bulldogs, Dragons, Penrith that have the potential to go over that 20k avg in modern 30k venues.

The problem is that no-one has the money they are willing to spend on 6 or 7 more Sydney venues. So regardless if you feel suburban tart ups or new modern stadia are the answer the Govt isnt going to fund 6 or 7 more improvements. Not to mention the need to bring Accor up to standard for major events. And tbh I dont blame them.

NRL clubs in Sydney now have 2 state of the art stadiums they can use if they choose. If they choose not to that's on them. I get the sense in 10 years some clubs will have been left well behind, even more so than now as they refuse to face a reality of their situation and will cling to Vlandys dream that everyone gets a local ground and Al's dated belief that kids running on the pitch after a game is the most important thing.

I mean with some change in thinking Sydney is nearly there already!

Souths and Roosters Allianz
Eels and Tigers Commbank
Dogs Accor or ideally Commbank
Dragons Allianz PT
Penrith new stadium

That only leaves Shark Park, Brookvale and Win to get sorted out.
Then the Govt can spend a few mill on each of the local grounds for NRLW, reserve grade, local community usage etc.

 

[Colk]

There are some sydney clubs in NRL that are small fanbases (Sharks and Manly) and likely will always be small fanbases. They are the ones that ideally would get $150-200mil spent on their local stadia to get it to something like modern 20-25k standard. Then we have clubs like Tigers, Bulldogs, Dragons, Penrith that have the potential to go over that 20k avg in modern 30k venues.

The problem is that no-one has the money they are willing to spend on 6 or 7 more Sydney venues. So regardless if you feel suburban tart ups or new modern stadia are the answer the Govt isnt going to fund 6 or 7 more improvements. Not to mention the need to bring Accor up to standard for major events. And tbh I dont blame them.

NRL clubs in Sydney now have 2 state of the art stadiums they can use if they choose. If they choose not to that's on them. I get the sense in 10 years some clubs will have been left well behind, even more so than now as they refuse to face a reality of their situation and will cling to Vlandys dream that everyone gets a local ground and Al's dated belief that kids running on the pitch after a game is the most important thing.

It will eventually happen

Some clubs and rusted on fans will cling on for dear life against facing the present but they will end up doing it because they won’t be able to compete if they remain at suburban grounds.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

NRL clubs in Sydney now have 2 state of the art stadiums they can use if they choose. If they choose not to that's on them. I get the sense in 10 years some clubs will have been left well behind, even more so than now as they refuse to face a reality of their situation and will cling to Vlandys dream that everyone gets a local ground and Al's dated belief that kids running on the pitch after a game is the most important thing.

Haha you said the same thing 10 years ago. Suburban grounds will always be part of the NRL, whether you like it or not. No club is going to fall over or relocate. The grounds we have now are the same grounds we will be using in 10 years time. The only way forward is to improve them as best we can.

That's reality, get over it.

 

[Dogs Of War]

The guy claimed that 1 game at Belmore is a big enough sample size to claim it gets the Bulldogs biggest crowds. Best to just ignore him

It’s usually our lowest crowd of the year. They really should schedule it early or late in the season. No one wants to go there in the middle of winter.

 

[Perth Red]

Haha you said the same thing 10 years ago. Suburban grounds will always be part of the NRL, whether you like it or not. No club is going to fall over or relocate. The grounds we have now are the same grounds we will be using in 10 years time. The only way forward is to improve them as best we can.

That's reality, get over it.

Doesn't have to be. Like I said with what we have now and penrith planned it literally only leaves Sharks and Manly with little option but to keep playing out of their dumps and try and find a way to get them improved. If the other clubs with options choose to stay stuck in the past that's on them. Hopefully other clubs will get so far ahead they have no option but to change in the future.

We're already seeing movement with Souths wanting to play at Allianz. With the dawning realization that these suburban grounds are not going to be improved other clubs may finally start to wake up to what the future needs to be.

 

[Iamback]

Doesn't have to be. Like I said with what we have now and penrith planned it literally only leaves Sharks and Manly with little option but to keep playing out of their dumps and try and find a way to get them improved. If the other clubs with options choose to stay stuck in the past that's on them. Hopefully other clubs will get so far ahead they have no option but to change in the future.

We're already seeing movement with Souths wanting to play at Allianz. With the dawning realization that these suburban grounds are not going to be improved other clubs may finally start to wake up to what the future needs to be.

It will cost Souffs money to move, whether it improves their crowds. Time will tell

 

[forby]

Comparison of new/modern/big stadiums v suburban/small/old stadiums this season that have had more than 1 game at them


Marathon 20.2k
Commbank 17k
NQ 16.6k
Accor 15.1k
AAMI 14.9k
Robina 12.8k
Avg 16.1k

Penrith 18.2k
LO 14.1k
Brookvale 13.1k
Shark Park 10.4k
Campbelltown 9k
Kogarah 8.4k
Avg 12.2k

Suburbia = myth

So Penrith average is higher than Commbank, but don’t deserve a redevelopment because they only have one tenant as they are an NRL city!

 

[Colk]

So Penrith average is higher than Commbank, but don’t deserve a redevelopment because they only have one tenant as they are an NRL city!

I don’t have a problem with them getting a redevelopment but aren’t they building a whole new stadium?