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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Jamberoo

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It's Been Done said:
The Storm will return to Docklands next year for 2 home games while AAMI Park is unavailable for the Women's Soccer World Cup according to their CEO
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Docklands was pretty decent for RL when they brought the stands in. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen anymore, unless Storm/NRL have been negotiating. Hopefully they schedule good kick off times and opponents.
 
T-Boon

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forby said:
I'm in section 116 and the view is very good, the atmosphere even during the State Championship was terrific.
Nothing really wrong as a big event venue!
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I agree it was a good atmosphere but I was in 118 and the view was deplorable (low and a long way away). I think that big long big screen they put in was an admission of guilt. I tried to watch most of the game on that screen but it’s not that good (it is good for ads). So I watched a lot on the screen that was behind me.
I watch games at Parra stadium so I am use to magnificent views.
it is just a shame that the games biggest occasions are in that sense a good advertisement for watching on TV.
 
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The state government doesn't want to fund suburban grounds. Which is fair enough. There are more important priorities. But we are than left with a substandard 80k venue which doesn't suit any of the rectangular codes. Seats are too far away.

If Accor was done right, you could have perhaps three NRL teams using it as a home ground, and have less pressure to fix up suburban grounds.
 
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Wb1234

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Steel Saints said:
The state government doesn't want to fund suburban grounds. Which is fair enough. There are more important priorities. But we are than left with a substandard 80k venue which doesn't suit any of the rectangular codes. Seats are too far away.

If Accor was done right, you could have perhaps three NRL teams using it as a home ground, and have less pressure to fix up suburban grounds.
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Ideal solution was allianz at 70k and accor sold to developers for 300 million for new apartments and a shopping centre
 
Perth Red

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Time the nrl stopped Molly coddling the laggards and brought in min criteria for licenses:
25k min capacity, 20k seats
min spend on elite development pathways
min spend on community development
min memberships of 20k to start with going up each license period

nothing focuses the Mind like A loaded gun at your head!
 
parrawentyfan

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Perth Red said:
Time the nrl stopped Molly coddling the laggards and brought in min criteria for licenses:
25k min capacity, 20k seats
min spend on elite development pathways
min spend on community development
min memberships of 20k to start with going up each license period

nothing focuses the Mind like A loaded gun at your head!
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i agree but they tried that before and we all know how it ended.

I’d like to see it incentive based. Ie - meet the quotas for some benefit. NRL should be assisting all clubs to meet those totals.
 
Perth Red

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parrawentyfan said:
i agree but they tried that before and we all know how it ended.

I’d like to see it incentive based. Ie - meet the quotas for some benefit. NRL should be assisting all clubs to meet those totals.
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They had the chance when they had the money to give clubs, instead they just keep upping the grant with no strings attached and this gives the struggling clubs further paper to cover the cracks with.
 
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NRL stadiums: NSW Government, Andrew Abdo back new Penrith stadium viability​

The NSW Government and NRL remain confident Penrith’s planned stadium will be viable despite projections its cost-benefit ratio will fall well below acceptable levels.

Fatima Kdouh
October 5, 2022 - 6:00AM

Stuart Ayres and NRL CEO Andrew Abdo are confident a new stadium in Penrith, on separate land, won’t turn into a white-elephant in western Sydney.

Penrith is still slated to receive a new $300 million venue after planned upgrades to a number of other suburban grounds stalled, including Brookvale and Leichhardt Ovals, sparking a rift between NRL powerbrokers and the NSW government.

But rather than rebuild the Panthers’ home at BlueBet Stadium, Ayres has been pushing for the new venue to built on the Paceway site — which sits on a larger parcel of land.

While the new stadium would be home to the back-to-back premiers, Ayres, the member for Penrith, insisted it would be a multipurpose venue ensuring its viability.

“The Paceway site is by far and away the best site for the stadium. It‘s the best site for Penrith the city,” Ayres said.
“(That‘s) just (because of) size. We‘ve seen as we’ve redone Commbank from the old Parramatta Stadium, even what we did at Allianz, just modern facilities are bigger. There‘s more space, there’s more public amenity, there’s more space between concourses and seats, there’s more food and beverage options. More rooms that can be hired. So non-event day revenue can be can be higher as well.”

In September, state government documents revealed the cost of the stadium could blow out if it was relocated to a harness racing paceway site next door to BlueBet Stadium.

The proposal for a new venue at Penrith was the only suburban ground project to survive a savings review by the NSW government. Documents tabled in the review revealed the ‘benefit cost ratio’ for Brookvale Oval was 0.24 – well below the target figure of “1”. It’s understood the ratio for the Penrith Stadium is not much better.

But Abdo said the new stadium would be a boost for the entire region, not just rugby league.

“There needs to be a business case for each stadium, which the government has committed to doing and have done for each of the stadiums that have been built,” Abdo said. “These are community assets, they are multi sport, multi purpose and they will be run in accordance to that approach. They are not exclusive to rugby league. These are community assets, they will have an overall approach with government considerations around population growth and different uses of the facility.”

Penrith’s new stadium would have the capacity to host the NRL’s Magic Round, where every game in round 10 is played at Suncorp Stadium. While there are no immediate plans to move Magic Round, which has turned into a festival of rugby league, away from Brisbane, there is a growing push to take the event on tour across the country.

“There’s no comment on that at moment. We obviously think very carefully about ways which we can make all stadium infrastructure viable but we haven’t given any thought to content arrangement at the moment,” Abdo said.

While the Paceway is yet to be officially rubber stamped as the stadium’s new site, it would allow the Panthers to avoid shifting to Commbank Stadium during construction, and continue playing at BlueBet next season.

“We‘re just progressing with our commercial negotiation with the Paceway, the adjoining land,” Ayres said.
“It‘s definitely the best spot to build the stadium. We know that. We’ll just go through that process and get a good result. “It‘ll mean that the players and the fans know that we’re playing at the existing Penrith stadium next year.
 
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Vee said:

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NRL stadiums: NSW Government, Andrew Abdo back new Penrith stadium viability​

The NSW Government and NRL remain confident Penrith’s planned stadium will be viable despite projections its cost-benefit ratio will fall well below acceptable levels.

Fatima Kdouh
October 5, 2022 - 6:00AM

Stuart Ayres and NRL CEO Andrew Abdo are confident a new stadium in Penrith, on separate land, won’t turn into a white-elephant in western Sydney.

Penrith is still slated to receive a new $300 million venue after planned upgrades to a number of other suburban grounds stalled, including Brookvale and Leichhardt Ovals, sparking a rift between NRL powerbrokers and the NSW government.

But rather than rebuild the Panthers’ home at BlueBet Stadium, Ayres has been pushing for the new venue to built on the Paceway site — which sits on a larger parcel of land.

While the new stadium would be home to the back-to-back premiers, Ayres, the member for Penrith, insisted it would be a multipurpose venue ensuring its viability.

“The Paceway site is by far and away the best site for the stadium. It‘s the best site for Penrith the city,” Ayres said.
“(That‘s) just (because of) size. We‘ve seen as we’ve redone Commbank from the old Parramatta Stadium, even what we did at Allianz, just modern facilities are bigger. There‘s more space, there’s more public amenity, there’s more space between concourses and seats, there’s more food and beverage options. More rooms that can be hired. So non-event day revenue can be can be higher as well.”

In September, state government documents revealed the cost of the stadium could blow out if it was relocated to a harness racing paceway site next door to BlueBet Stadium.

The proposal for a new venue at Penrith was the only suburban ground project to survive a savings review by the NSW government. Documents tabled in the review revealed the ‘benefit cost ratio’ for Brookvale Oval was 0.24 – well below the target figure of “1”. It’s understood the ratio for the Penrith Stadium is not much better.

But Abdo said the new stadium would be a boost for the entire region, not just rugby league.

“There needs to be a business case for each stadium, which the government has committed to doing and have done for each of the stadiums that have been built,” Abdo said. “These are community assets, they are multi sport, multi purpose and they will be run in accordance to that approach. They are not exclusive to rugby league. These are community assets, they will have an overall approach with government considerations around population growth and different uses of the facility.”

Penrith’s new stadium would have the capacity to host the NRL’s Magic Round, where every game in round 10 is played at Suncorp Stadium. While there are no immediate plans to move Magic Round, which has turned into a festival of rugby league, away from Brisbane, there is a growing push to take the event on tour across the country.

“There’s no comment on that at moment. We obviously think very carefully about ways which we can make all stadium infrastructure viable but we haven’t given any thought to content arrangement at the moment,” Abdo said.

While the Paceway is yet to be officially rubber stamped as the stadium’s new site, it would allow the Panthers to avoid shifting to Commbank Stadium during construction, and continue playing at BlueBet next season.

“We‘re just progressing with our commercial negotiation with the Paceway, the adjoining land,” Ayres said.
“It‘s definitely the best spot to build the stadium. We know that. We’ll just go through that process and get a good result. “It‘ll mean that the players and the fans know that we’re playing at the existing Penrith stadium next year.
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Tax payers money funding this and any other suburban stadium is just burning money in perpetuity.

If Panthers leagues club and NRL wants to build and pay for this stadium - go for it.
There is no way the new Penrith stadium will cost $300m. It’s gonna be at least $600m with inflation and paying out harness racing etc.

Stuart Ayres is desperate to keep his seat. They know this stadium deal won’t happen as the Liberals will not retain government in 2023.

NSW government and Venues NSW won’t give ownership of the stadium to NRL or Panthers. So Penrith will need to pay a higher cost to use it, and/or the NSW tax payer will have to subsidise the stadium forever to allow Panthers to use it - which would be a disgrace.

All financial analysis steered the government to a 3 stadium policy, for good reason.

There is no way on earth I support my tax dollars being pissed away on a new Penrith Stadium for what maybe an average crowd of 20k people 12 times a year. And that’s 20k average when they are the no.1 team and winning. Gonna bottom out to 14k or less when the go thru a rough season.

It isn’t good for NSW or the NRL in the short, medium or long term, just huge financial costs to maintain and upgrade every 10-15 years.

Spending $300m (it’s actually gonna be $600m plus) on a new stadium in a town/suburb 75km from Sydney and that no one east of Blacktown is ever gonna use? When the business case says it won’t ever provide a return on investment? GTFOH.

I ain’t in favour of pissing my tax dollars away because Penrith fans are too lazy to travel 35km to an awesome stadium in a Parramatta for 8-10 home games a year.

I’d rather the money went toward other areas in need in Sydney and NSW - transport and infrastructure.

If $300m (actual cost will be $600m plus) is to be spent on any stadia in Sydney, it should be on the Accor redevelopment or redeveloping the old stands at the SCG.

By 2032, MCG, Gabba, Adelaide Oval and Optus Stadium will all be state of the art and shit on the SCG as far as modern stadia is concerned. Sydney and NSW deserves the best cricket stadium money can buy to to be on the same level as other capital cities.

A white elephant in Penrith will do absolutely nothing to benefit our city or NSW over the next 50 years.
 
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