The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Babyface O'reilly]

Jesus Christ. Some people are never satisfied. Maybe we should knock down the whole of Sydney and rebuild it starting with the NRL stadiums first.

Deep down, you know that’s a brilliant idea and you’re only half kidding

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The Hill near the cricket field was going to have a stand like Brookie. Wasn't possible 5 years ago, curious if that changed now

That’s where the sewer line is I believe. It runs between the Panthers ground and the oval

Shit decision if it is the way they go.

Location, location, location first.

Then the build. Why does RL have almost all its grounds at least 15-20 mins walk away from train stations? It is a huge deterrent and stay at home motivator for many thousands. Have we not learnt anything from the best run sport in the land or other sports around the world?

Train stations and amenities. Then the build. Otherwise once the hype disappears or the team is travelling average it will be small crowds again. Build in the heart of the action and train station next door and even during hard times and inclement weather during dark cold winters people will still turn up.

Even Parra and the SFS are in ordinary positions really if not a local. Sure there are eateries around, but you need to catch Train, Bus and or Tram or walk 30mins to get there. Hardly something that an out of the area person and his/her kids would be looking forward to be doing on a June-July cold dark night with the possibility of rain or early start games on Friday after work, can't just zip in.

As opposed to catch a train or two but you are delivered straight at the door of the stadium(within 500m) and you are in your seat. This is RL in Sydney, not English Premier League Football or even AFL. We don't travel and we never will.

Sh*t decision.

there was no option for a ground significantly closer to amenities that I know of, it was the current site or the paceway site next door (closer but only by one block).

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Why not move the new Penrith stadium slightly north at the site?

So the sewer line is not affected and build the stadium over Ransley st, which I gather is closed during games anyway.

You could certainly build a cantilevered stand that overhangs the street, given the height it’d be at you’d think that would be a non-issue.

But there really isn’t much room to work with, the red line here is approximately where the sewer line is as far as I know.

 

[TheRam]

Plenty of parking around the ground atleast

not much land near a station in Sydney to be fair

That is the point. Most people lob up with public transport and only more will be in the future. Cars will be a thing of the past and only for the privileged few that can offset their carbon footprint. In ten years or so you won't have one if the di*kheads in charge have their way.

15 minutes cities and all the rest of the nonsense is coming to your neighbourhood soon. Think it is hyperbole? Just wait and see.

 

[TheRam]

We don’t do sport infrastructure well in Sydney. Homebush Stadium was trumped as the geographical centre of Sydney. Accept the location chosen is still a dull shit hole twenty years on. A case of planning getting stuck on an ideal. They had a go at moving the SFS closer to Anzac Parade. Now we’re left with a spiral pedestrian bridge that‘s not serving the purpose it was intended for. I keep thinking of the Simpson monorail episode where they built the escalator that goes to nowhere the few times I walk that bridge. I still think of that architect proposal that would see the SFS over the rail lines at central. Too late and the Trust would’ve killed it anyway.

Totally true and it is only going to get worse.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

double post

 

[SpaceMonkey]

15 minutes cities and all the rest of the nonsense is coming to your neighbourhood soon. Think it is hyperbole? Just wait and see.

it’s not some conspiracy or grand plan, it’s just the reality of increased population. The alternative is spending hours stuck in traffic or hours crossing cities on public transport, neither of which anyone much is keen on

 

[beave]

You could certainly build a cantilevered stand that overhangs the street, given the height it’d be at you’d think that would be a non-issue.

But there really isn’t much room to work with, the red line here is approximately where the sewer line is as far as I know.

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QCB is 25k capacity and one end is a double tier and the north a single. The best bet for penrith is to do a single tier at each end, and then roll the extra seats required for the 25k into the east and west stands, would probably only require about 10-12 extra rows on top of those seen at QCB.

The ends at penrith would have to be purely seating and not much in the way of concessions as there is not a lot of real estate to have both.

The pic below is for reference as the south end of QCB has a few bars and eateries and a team store.

 

[It's Been Done]

I don't get why Canterbury and Souths don't allow fans onto the field at Accor to stand behind the advertising banners at the Northern and Southern ends of the ground. I know Canterbury used to do that for members for a while at the Northern end then stopped. It's useless to have turf there anyway since there's no sports played at the venue requiring that area anymore

 

[Iamback]

That's actually the sensible decision.
Let's hope capacity is at least 25000 which is easily possible for a re-build on the current site.

Not sure how you get a 3rd stand let alone a 4th on the current site, time will tell if it ends up a waste of money or a good actual stadium

 

[Iamback]

So the business case was a sound one, then?

It was only idiots like Buzz making it a Panthers only ground that made the business case seem like a dud.

There is going to be 1m extra people out here, A quality entertainment facility is needed.

Qudos Arena cost $200m for the 2000 olympics. Similar now would be easily $300m, Do you build that with no regular tenants?

Or do the Stadium which has 11 uses to start with?

Open air will be hot for concerts but that can be minimised with better construction and roof line making more shade.

Throw in a 5 star hotel across the road, short drive to the airport and other transport. It ticks a lot of boxes

 

[Munky]

it’s not some conspiracy or grand plan, it’s just the reality of increased population. The alternative is spending hours stuck in traffic or hours crossing cities on public transport, neither of which anyone much is keen on

The problem with Penrith is the areas north and south don't/won't have direct public transport.

It is quicker to get to Bankwest from Richmond via train than to Penrith.

The south will have a metro going to St Mary's. From which it is only about ten mins quicker to Penrith than Parra.

It's a waste of money that doesn't service the geographical area due to poorly thought out transport links.

 

[Iamback]

The problem with Penrith is the areas north and south don't/won't have direct public transport.

It is quicker to get to Bankwest from Richmond via train than to Penrith.

The south will have a metro going to St Mary's. From which it is only about ten mins quicker to Penrith than Parra.

It's a waste of money that doesn't service the geographical area due to poorly thought out transport links.

The transport links will improve though as the houses get built.

I went to school at Riverstone. 20 years later the transport out there is 10000% better.

Same will happen once the airport is built and the houses are complete

Perfect example is the metro. Instead of changing trains you can get the metro straight from Schofields ( Tallawong) to St Marys.

That then will link up with better transport then currently exists

 

[SpaceMonkey]

QCB is 25k capacity and one end is a double tier and the north a single. The best bet for penrith is to do a single tier at each end, and then roll the extra seats required for the 25k into the east and west stands, would probably only require about 10-12 extra rows on top of those seen at QCB.

The ends at penrith would have to be purely seating and not much in the way of concessions as there is not a lot of real estate to have both.

The pic below is for reference as the south end of QCB has a few bars and eateries and a team store.


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Yeah exactly my thoughts. I reckon a pretty squared off design with a single tier running right round and substantial second tiers in the east and west with corporate boxes and amenities between the two tiers. Maybe leave the North end uncovered as in QCB.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

It was only idiots like Buzz making it a Panthers only ground that made the business case seem like a dud.

There is going to be 1m extra people out here, A quality entertainment facility is needed.

Qudos Arena cost $200m for the 2000 olympics. Similar now would be easily $300m, Do you build that with no regular tenants?

Or do the Stadium which has 11 uses to start with?

Open air will be hot for concerts but that can be minimised with better construction and roof line making more shade.

Throw in a 5 star hotel across the road, short drive to the airport and other transport. It ticks a lot of boxes

I ignore Buzz but Minns did say he’d look at the business case post election victory which leads me to believe it had merit. Probably along the lines of what you just described

 

[TheRam]

it’s not some conspiracy or grand plan, it’s just the reality of increased population. The alternative is spending hours stuck in traffic or hours crossing cities on public transport, neither of which anyone much is keen on

15 minutes cities is an agenda 2030 policy. WEF look it up. Increased population is coming through migration this next 12 months is penciled in at 715K and 1.4m by 2025. These are man made policies not magical thinking manifestations.

There are suckers born all the time.

As Aldous Huxley told us all, 'you we learn to love your servitude'. You my friend are just what he and they were talking about.

Read a book ffs! I'm sick of worrying about sh*t when the rest of you are just blissfully unaware of what's coming and sooner rather then later.

Stop watch mainstream freakin news is a great start. They are telling us all the time what they are planning. You just aren't listening.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

The brainrot from years of “teNaNts” spiel mainly pushed by the Rothfields of the media has affected many.

The reality is, Penrith is outer western Sydney. An area that was marked for a future stadium a decade ago. It’s between the north and south growth areas of outer western Sydney, has surrounding areas that rely on it for services, has outstanding population growth and is a notable distance from other stadia facilities with no established timeline for transportation infrastructure to bridge that gap. It’s literally the government’s agenda to lessen the travel burden for communities and keep their homes within reach of more facilities. Like competent planning should.

Only dummies can possibly equate an area with all that going for it, along with a timeline for it to happen, multiple studies and work put into the process of it coming about, with a dump like Leichardt just because it was rumoured in some Rothfield article a couple years ago.

 

[greenBV4]

You could certainly build a cantilevered stand that overhangs the street, given the height it’d be at you’d think that would be a non-issue.

But there really isn’t much room to work with, the red line here is approximately where the sewer line is as far as I know.

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Is it going to be a knock down rebuild or just upgrades to existing? if a knock down it looks like there'd be more room if you spun it 90 degrees?

 

[westerntiger]

Can’t wait for my new apartment next to the western Sydney airport which was supposed to be built as far away from homes as possible but is now going to be surrounded by 500,000 people ))

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

QCB is 25k capacity and one end is a double tier and the north a single. The best bet for penrith is to do a single tier at each end, and then roll the extra seats required for the 25k into the east and west stands, would probably only require about 10-12 extra rows on top of those seen at QCB.

The ends at penrith would have to be purely seating and not much in the way of concessions as there is not a lot of real estate to have both.

The pic below is for reference as the south end of QCB has a few bars and eateries and a team store.

I agree. A smaller and more intimate version of Snapdragon Stadium (35k) would be cool. Just needs a roof