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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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A large stadium in Moore park could plausibly attract 50k + crowds for
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2-3 club NRL games a year (if we take lessons from ANZAC day and apply it to other events)
3-5 NRL finals matches a year (depending on who gets home finals
(Roosters, Souths, St George, Manly, Cronulla should use it for big events)
NRL Grand final
1 Kangaroos match (if we invest in International League)
+
Beldisloe Cup and other Wallabies matches
+
Sydney FC derbies and Socceroos matches
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Big pop and rock concerts

15-20 big events a year + weekly Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC matches.

As much as we'd like to put NRL first this is a wider issue than just Rugby League

The only groups you mentioned that would say "SFS is the only option, ANZ can f*ck off" are Waratars and Sydney FC, both of who can live happily in a 30k stadium.

The clear problem with Moore Park is the transport links. Say whatever else about Hombush, the place can take 100k people comfortably...
 

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I do have to wonder how you would incorporate the video boards in a stadium primarily for the rugby codes with the adjustable ceiling. The mid-field suspended board isn't really appropriate in a sport that uses the mid-field bomb as a tactic.
 
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NRL crowd numbers will only go through roof with new ANZ Stadium, says Todd Greenberg


NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg says the game's crowd numbers in Sydney are aligned to the quality of stadia and is adamant the only way they can go through the roof is with the transformation of ANZ Stadium into a world-class, purpose-built rectangular venue.

Greenberg was stunned last week after being told in a meeting with Premier Gladys Berejiklian that there was no guarantee of a knockdown and rebuild of ANZ as part of the government's $1.6 billion stadia strategy.

The NRL is opposed to a cheaper alternative, a modification of the Sydney Olympic Park venue, which would bring the lower bowl closer to the field but leave the upper tier as is.

Greenberg's desire is for a new 70,000-seat stadium on the ANZ site to accompany the 30,000-capacity venue being built at Parramatta and due to open in 2019, with Allianz Stadium to be refurbished as well if possible.

He believes getting the new venue at Olympic Park right is key to significantly increasing crowd numbers. The average attendance throughout the regular season was 15,000, slightly down on 2016 excluding finals but in a similar range to the competition's crowds since the Olympic stadium was first built.

"If you be fair dinkum, for two decades Sydney crowds have either been one or two per cent either above or below what they currently are now," Greenberg said at Monday's finals launch at ANZ.

"The reality is that won't change until we have a significant change in the stadiums in the city. Parramatta coming online in 2019 will be the biggest shift we've seen for crowds in Sydney rugby league for the best part of 20 or 30 years. If we end up having a purpose-built rectangular stadium here at Sydney Olympic Park it will be nothing short of phenomenal for fans in Sydney.

"It's critical for Sydney because Sydney deserves to have a purpose-built rectangular stadium that is probably world's best. That's the design that I've seen and that's the outcome we are absolutely, desperately hoping for."

Greenberg said the NRL had received "approaches from just about every state and New Zealand" to host grand finals for the two years that ANZ and Allianz stadiums were likely to be out of operation.

And while there has been an expectation that Brisbane could be handed a premiership decider during one of those years – with the SCG having been raised as another option – the grand final is not going anywhere just yet.

"It's possible but I've been at pains to point out in this whole process that when you're working with NSW government, who are prepared to invest $1.6 billion and potentially more, the one thing you've got to do is have some respect for those people first and foremost," Greenberg said.

NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres, who has pushed for a new 50,000-seat venue at Moore Park as well as a redevelopment at Homebush Bay, said the timeline for work on ANZ and Allianz stadiums would be carefully managed in an effort to avoid having to sacrifice grand finals and other major events such as State of Origin being held in Sydney.

"There's not enough facilities around Sydney to maintain all of the premium content if both stadiums in Sydney are offline," Ayres said.

"And that's one of the reasons we're working through sequencing. It's a pretty big call to say we don't want the NRL grand final in NSW. It's a pretty big call to say we don't have a 50,000 seat stadium to host State of Origin."

Ayres said it was unlikely that business cases for ANZ and Allianz would be put before cabinet for a final decision prior to the NRL grand final.

"I need to be really clear about this. This is not a contest between ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...dium-says-todd-greenberg-20170904-gyahon.html
 
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Nothing really groundbreaking in this piece.

Although perhaps it looks like ANZ/Allianz won't be done at the same time. Which means if Allianz went first it wouldn't be until 2021/22 that ANZ got done.
 

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"If you be fair dinkum, for two decades Sydney crowds have either been one or two per cent either above or below what they currently are now," Greenberg said at Monday's finals launch at ANZ.

"The reality is that won't change until we have a significant change in the stadiums in the city. Parramatta coming online in 2019 will be the biggest shift we've seen for crowds in Sydney rugby league for the best part of 20 or 30 years. If we end up having a purpose-built rectangular stadium here at Sydney Olympic Park it will be nothing short of phenomenal for fans in Sydney.
What would he know about being fair dinkum? He couldn't lie straight in bed.

He's just a bald-faced liar. How much do you think crowds would improve if they played premium games at premium times?

Just go into politics already with all the other liars, you'll fit right in you slimy turd.
 

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Nothing really groundbreaking in this piece.

Although perhaps it looks like ANZ/Allianz won't be done at the same time. Which means if Allianz went first it wouldn't be until 2021/22 that ANZ got done.
Disagree, looks very much like Ayers is still angling for a 50k Moore Park ground and Anz after that with whatever money they have left over.
 
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Disagree, looks very much like Ayers is still angling for a 50k Moore Park ground and Anz after that with whatever money they have left over.

True but we knew that, I more meant there's no real new info.

Ayres is a snake, he'll always be slithering.
 

Perth Red

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Yep Todd those better tiered stands are going o make te world of difference to Thursday night crowds lol. He's basically just admitted the nrl has failed to improve its popularity in 20 years and somehow anz is going to change that!
 

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Disagree, looks very much like Ayers is still angling for a 50k Moore Park ground and Anz after that with whatever money they have left over.

Not anymore, Gladys must have asked him to pull his head in.


ANZ Stadium rebuild the priority: Ayres
NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres insists a remodelling of ANZ Stadium as the city's premier rectangular ground is the number one priority for the state government.

Mr Ayres also suggested the government could also set aside more than the originally proposed $1.6 billion for their stadia strategy last year.

Speaking at the NRL's finals captain's call on Monday, Mr Ayres said NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian is not wedded to the figure allotted by her predecessor Mike Baird in 2016.

"She says there is capacity for that envelope to be expanded, but it needs to be part of a coherent strategy. We know we've got to invest in more than one stadium," Mr Ayres said.

"This is not a contest between ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium.

It's about making sure that we get the right suite of sporting facilities across Sydney that service all of our sports.

"That means we've got to have the best main stadium, the best mid-sized stadiums, and it also means we've got to have facilities for emerging sports like netball and basketball."

Ayres comments come after reports the government could spend up to $3 billion over ten years on sites at Homebush and Moore Park, as well as Penrith and the SCG.

"We've got to be able to make sure we invest in facilities in our growing west," he said.

"Over two million people will live west of M7 (motorway) by 2036. We simply can't ignore that population as we plan out our stadia plan."

Ayres also confirmed the new 30,000-set Parramatta Stadium is in the final stages of beginning construction and is on track to open by May 2019.

However ANZ Stadium is set to take up the bulk of their budgeted finances, with up to $700 million used to transform the venue into a world-class facility for rectangular sports.

There have recently been suggestions Allianz Stadium could receive a bigger injection and be given the nod to rebuild ahead of the Homebush site.

Ayres admits the state could lose at least one NRL grand final during the construction of both ANZ and Allianz, with the event possibly moved to Brisbane or the SCG.

"There's probably not enough facilities around Sydney to be able to maintain all the premium content if both of the stadiums are offline at the same time," Ayres said.


"It's a pretty big call to say we don't want the NRL grand final in NSW. It's a pretty big call to say that we don't have a 50,000-seat stadium to host State of Origin.

"It's a pretty big call to turn your back on some of the biggest music acts in the world if you can't supply a venue large enough to host them.

"So there's a lot of content issues at play as we make this decision, and it's important we map out the stadium sequence over a long enough period of time to make the investment viable."

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/09/05/03/36/anz-stadium-rebuild-the-priority-ayres


What i took out of this piece.

Both stadiums need to get done, we must make sure there is enough money for both.

Also looks like having both ANZ and Alliance out of order at the same time is not advisable due to content loss during that period.

ANZ is priority.
 

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Not anymore, Gladys must have asked him to pull his head in.


ANZ Stadium rebuild the priority: Ayres
NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres insists a remodelling of ANZ Stadium as the city's premier rectangular ground is the number one priority for the state government.

Mr Ayres also suggested the government could also set aside more than the originally proposed $1.6 billion for their stadia strategy last year.

Speaking at the NRL's finals captain's call on Monday, Mr Ayres said NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian is not wedded to the figure allotted by her predecessor Mike Baird in 2016.

"She says there is capacity for that envelope to be expanded, but it needs to be part of a coherent strategy. We know we've got to invest in more than one stadium," Mr Ayres said.

"This is not a contest between ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium.

It's about making sure that we get the right suite of sporting facilities across Sydney that service all of our sports.

"That means we've got to have the best main stadium, the best mid-sized stadiums, and it also means we've got to have facilities for emerging sports like netball and basketball."

Ayres comments come after reports the government could spend up to $3 billion over ten years on sites at Homebush and Moore Park, as well as Penrith and the SCG.

"We've got to be able to make sure we invest in facilities in our growing west," he said.

"Over two million people will live west of M7 (motorway) by 2036. We simply can't ignore that population as we plan out our stadia plan."

Ayres also confirmed the new 30,000-set Parramatta Stadium is in the final stages of beginning construction and is on track to open by May 2019.

However ANZ Stadium is set to take up the bulk of their budgeted finances, with up to $700 million used to transform the venue into a world-class facility for rectangular sports.

There have recently been suggestions Allianz Stadium could receive a bigger injection and be given the nod to rebuild ahead of the Homebush site.

Ayres admits the state could lose at least one NRL grand final during the construction of both ANZ and Allianz, with the event possibly moved to Brisbane or the SCG.

"There's probably not enough facilities around Sydney to be able to maintain all the premium content if both of the stadiums are offline at the same time," Ayres said.


"It's a pretty big call to say we don't want the NRL grand final in NSW. It's a pretty big call to say that we don't have a 50,000-seat stadium to host State of Origin.

"It's a pretty big call to turn your back on some of the biggest music acts in the world if you can't supply a venue large enough to host them.

"So there's a lot of content issues at play as we make this decision, and it's important we map out the stadium sequence over a long enough period of time to make the investment viable."

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/09/05/03/36/anz-stadium-rebuild-the-priority-ayres


What i took out of this piece.

Both stadiums need to get done, we must make sure there is enough money for both.

Also looks like having both ANZ and Alliance out of order at the same time is not advisable due to content loss during that period.

ANZ is priority.
He really is a snake, isn't he? She tells him to pull his head in and he does but then restates his contradictory plan in the same interview.

What a rabble.
 

adamkungl

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Doubling down on the White Elephant will lock Sydney's stadium situation into acceptable mediocrity for all of our lifetimes.
 

Jamberoo

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Yeah you make some great points.

Only thing I'd say is a city the size of Sydney does need a stadium to attract international events.

Will Liverpool, Arsenal etc come for 50k?

I think about 65k would be a good number for our premier stadium, but yeah the secondary one defyonly needs to be 30-35k
Liverpool, etc will come for $$$. With a great 50K stadium you can charge more for better seats. Anyway, as a am not a soccer fan, I am more concerned about with will keep RL alive and kicking.
 

roughyedspud

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Liverpool, etc will come for $$$. With a great 50K stadium you can charge more for better seats. Anyway, as a am not a soccer fan, I am more concerned about with will keep RL alive and kicking.

RL in Sydney,for regular season games, doesn't need 65-50k stadia that's for sure
 

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