The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Iamback]

Corporates don’t want open air

it’s a huge reason why alllianz was redone was poor corporates

long run if you don’t do it it’ll be harder to compete with clubs like parra which do

since the money is limited the plebs have to miss out

rugby league is a business

Accor and Suncorp have open air corporate areas

 

[TheEroticGamer]

It’s 2023 and people still use number of tenants when talking about stadiums Jesus f***ing Christ.

 

[Wb1234]

So what?
Did you just ignore every other point I made? Clearly, yes.
I'll repeat it for the dummy.
It is NOT our stadium. It just happens to be our home ground which we have to pay to play at. Just like the Wanderers, the Matildas, Rugby and Elton John and so many other events have to.

Is Allianz the Roosters stadium?
The answer again is no. Just like Sydney FC, the Waratahs, and any concert has to hire the stadium.
It just happens to be their home ground and they too have to pay to play at that stadium.
The Sharks are the only team that actually own a home ground and don't have to worry about this shit

Just stfu and be thankful that Penrith (The country town, not the team) is getting gifted a $300 million upgrade, with no other tenants to actually justify this political spend, like the other two grounds actually justified.
You might actually find that it won't be Penrith's home ground as well. You'll have to rent it from the govt if Venues NSW take over, which they should with this amount of spend.

Who said parra owned the stadium lol

take your meds

 

[Wb1234]

Accor and Suncorp have open air corporate areas

Your picking dated stadiums to make an argument

Commmbank and Allianz are what new builds look like

the corporate facilities at Penrith are from the Stone Age

anyway a new corporate western stand would see seats free in the eastern stand

I Can’t see capacity rising much under the rebuild

but it will help Penrith become a big Sydney club

 

[Iamback]

Your picking dated stadiums to make an argument

Commmbank and Allianz are what new builds look like

the corporate facilities at Penrith are from the Stone Age

anyway a new corporate western stand would see seats free in the eastern stand

I Can’t see capacity rising much under the rebuild

but it will help Penrith become a big Sydney club

Reports have said that the club
Is designing it, They also would run it according to the local paper.

So that being the case it will be more like Allianz than CommBank to get more general usage flow across to the club.

 

[herbert henry1908]

What’s everyone’s feelings about what’s achievable at Penrith for the $309m with current construction costs? (Apologies if this has been covered)

Ideally I’d like to see two new grandstands down each side and just tart up the ends a bit. Maybe terraced standing at the southern end and a terraced hill at the northern (with perhaps some seating below it)

 

[The Great Dane]

Stadium thread

It also isn't true lol.

 

[Iamback]

What’s everyone’s feelings about what’s achievable at Penrith for the $309m with current construction costs? (Apologies if this has been covered)

Ideally I’d like to see two new grandstands down each side and just tart up the ends a bit. Maybe terraced standing at the southern end and a terraced hill at the northern (with perhaps some seating below it)

Matt Cameron said at the opening training session

Southern Hill was getting a new Grandstand ( with changerooms for NRLW)

Western stand is getting knocked down and rebuilt

Eastern stand getting and the rest getting fixed up, New seating, corporate boxes upgraded etc

Hence why it won't follow the CommBank design of Corporates only on one side but the Chairmans Lounge is confirmed to double in size

 

[Perth Red]

Are grass hills peculiar to Sydney? Beside there and Sunshine Coast, is there any other major or even minor stadium with a grass hill? Adelaide Oval has terraced standing room, but I can’t think of any other hills. If you are bringing a rug and watching a whole day of local cricket in summer I get why you might want to sit on grass, but from an outsiders point of view if seems a very strange way to watch rugby league. MCG has 5000 capacity of terraced standing room which is the cheap way to fit more fans. Do many people stand at NRL games In Sydney?

Our local parks have them lol. Waca still has one but that stadiums been superseded.
professional sports? Nah, it’s not the 70’s.

 

[Perth Red]

Crazy this cost like 20 million. Bears would’ve filled it out

Why can’t Australian architects design stands with roofs that fully cover all the seats?This and penrith have roofs that barely cover half the seating in the main stands!

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Matt Cameron said at the opening training session

Southern Hill was getting a new Grandstand ( with changerooms for NRLW)

Western stand is getting knocked down and rebuilt

Eastern stand getting and the rest getting fixed up, New seating, corporate boxes upgraded etc

Hence why it won't follow the CommBank design of Corporates only on one side but the Chairmans Lounge is confirmed to double in size

Eastern stand needs a better roof, hopefully that’s in the budget.

 

[Iamback]

Eastern stand needs a better roof, hopefully that’s in the budget.

It is hard to compare costs of new Stadiums with rebuilds, But a new 5500 seat stand for Wrexham is costed at $90-$110m.

Shark park has the newer stand as free standing, I'd be trying to connect the 3 like a horse shoe that allows the roof to be taken off so it all is the same

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Why can’t Australian architects design stands with roofs that fully cover all the seats?This and penrith have roofs that barely cover half the seating in the main stands!

It’s frustrating isn’t it. I guess there’s a lot of expensive engineering involved in a cantilever structure, the further it goes out, the greater the physics, greater the cost and CC was a budget stadium. I believe cost was a factor in the old SFS getting its shitty roof.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Are grass hills peculiar to Sydney? Beside there and Sunshine Coast, is there any other major or even minor stadium with a grass hill? Adelaide Oval has terraced standing room, but I can’t think of any other hills. If you are bringing a rug and watching a whole day of local cricket in summer I get why you might want to sit on grass, but from an outsiders point of view if seems a very strange way to watch rugby league. MCG has 5000 capacity of terraced standing room which is the cheap way to fit more fans. Do many people stand at NRL games In Sydney?

Not really. My late Father used to go to a lot of rugby league games during the 1950-s right up until his death. He used to tell me that back in the 1950s and 1960s that if people on the hill stood up at all, they would get pelted by just about everyone around them for blocking their view with empty cans, rolled up newspapers and the like until they sat down. hence most people usually sit, unless they are right up the very back of a hill, or when a try is scored.

 

[Perth Red]

It is hard to compare costs of new Stadiums with rebuilds, But a new 5500 seat stand for Wrexham is costed at $90-$110m.

Shark park has the newer stand as free standing, I'd be trying to connect the 3 like a horse shoe that allows the roof to be taken off so it all is the same

We built this all seater end stand 2,500 seats 12 enclosed corporate boxes for $14million in 2013. Prices sure must have shot up!




the uncovered end south stand at hbf park was also built in 2013 at a cost of around $10-15mill and holds around 2,500. This was designed to be able to add an extra 10 rows of seating, 1200 seats, and a roof in stage 2.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

AFL Red, architect and engineer.

 

[Iamback]

AFL Red, architect and engineer.

Townsville pre-Covid a $250m 25k
stadium turned into $309m

Why would the same capacity at Penrith be any less? Given that the backlog now and material costs have risen

That is even with keeping one of the old stands

 

[Iamback]

We built this all seater end stand 2,500 seats 12 enclosed corporate boxes for $14million in 2013. Prices sure must have shot up!

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the uncovered end south stand at hbf park was also built in 2013 at a cost of around $10-15mill and holds around 2,500. This was designed to be able to add an extra 10 rows of seating, 1200 seats, and a roof in stage 2.

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Both those stands are way Smaller and less complete.

For starters you have 4 changerooms, That is 80 odd showers that need tiling, plumbing and so on.

 

[shewi6]

The Wests Tigers, in partnership with Liverpool Council, have approached the NSW government with a proposal to build a 20,000-seat stadium in the heart of Liverpool CBD to make it the club’s permanent home.

The proposal, which is in its infancy, is now in jeopardy following the Herald’s revelations earlier today that Wests Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis is on the brink of being overthrown.

The Leichhardt Oval hill at full capacity.
The Leichhardt Oval hill at full capacity.CREDIT:FAIRFAX

Hagipantelis and Liverpool Mayor Ned Mannoun met NSW Sports Minister Steve Kamper earlier in the week to pitch the plan to government.

The preferred site is on the corner of Hume Highway and Remembrance Avenue in Liverpool and takes in Whitlam Aquatic Centre, the netball facility and potentially Hillier Oval – the former Oasis site, owned by Canterbury Leagues Club.

The plan would depend on up to 3000 new apartments being built on the site, with a mixture of private homes, public housing and build-to-rent properties.

The Tigers would play up to two games per year out of Leichhardt Oval, with the rest to be played out of Liverpool.

The Tigers also have contingency plans in place with Inner West Council and Campbelltown City Council in the hope of upgrading their two existing home grounds at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

It is hoped the revenue from developing the land into apartments would offset the majority of the cost of building the stadium. It is estimated the maximum cost to taxpayers would be less than $100 million.

If the Oasis site was re-zoned, allowing residential redevelopment, the Bulldogs, who own the land, could be in for an estimated windfall of $40 million-$50 million if they decided to sell.

The plans also include provision for a new aquatic centre, an aged-care facility and a conference centre, similar to the newly built facility at Panthers Leagues Club.

The NRL last year made preliminary inquiries about building its own stadium in south-west Sydney, approaching the Wests Tigers and the Bulldogs to gauge their appetite for playing out of a potential new venue in Liverpool or Rossmore near Western Sydney airport.

ARLC chairman Peter V’landys and NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo spoke to both Bulldogs and Tigers officials as the code considered a move to acquire an asset similar to the AFL’s ownership of Marvel Stadium in Melbourne. That plan has since fallen over.

The two likely options on the table were a new stadium at the 26,000 square metre former Oasis site in Liverpool, which is owned by Canterbury Leagues, or a vacant block of land near Western Sydney Airport in Rossmore.

 

[shewi6]

Interesting, it seems to be a now wests tigers led development on the bulldogs land? Even though i thought the bulldogs were investigating doing the same thing on the site with building apartments, commercial buildings and a stadium.

Wests Tigers make pitch for new 20,000-seat stadium at Liverpool

Wests Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis and Liverpool Mayor Ned Mannoun met NSW Sports Minister Steve Kamper earlier in the week to pitch the plan to government.

www.smh.com.au