The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Where are the cricketers going to play? (By the way that question is more about whether there are actually any stadiums they could play outside Gabba - so not being smart)

Carrara.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It's not my job to make your argument for you, and it's the only difference that you've managed to bring up of any consequence.

Try as you might you can't get away from it, you're just suggesting that it's okay to repeat the mistakes made in Sydney because it will be on a smaller scale, which is munted.

It's impossible for most of their "fans" to attend every game at both stadiums as Dolphin Stadium literally doesn't have the capacity to support that. It's literally too small for any NRL side, let alone one with the potential the 2nd Brisbane side had, and they never should have been allowed anywhere near the NRL if they truly insisted on playing games out of a stadium with an 11k capacity.

The fact that anybody is willing to pretend that that was either sensible or reasonable shows just how debate brained they are and/or what a low opinion they have of the sport's potential as a spectator sport.

You said the second Brisbane team needed to be neutral and called the Sawfish.

Of the four bids that vied for the 17th licence, only one was neutral. It was the least popular option and merged with Ipswich.

 

[Steel Saints]

It's not my job to make your argument for you, and it's the only difference that you've managed to bring up of any consequence.

Try as you might you can't get away from it, you're just suggesting that it's okay to repeat the mistakes made in Sydney because it will be on a smaller scale, which is munted.

It's impossible for most of their "fans" to attend every game at both stadiums as Dolphin Stadium literally doesn't have the capacity to support that. It's literally too small for any NRL side, let alone one with the potential the 2nd Brisbane side had, and they never should have been allowed anywhere near the NRL if they truly insisted on playing games out of a stadium with an 11k capacity.

The fact that anybody is willing to pretend that that was either sensible or reasonable shows just how debate brained they are and/or what a low opinion they have of the sport's potential as a spectator sport.

I don't think Sydney made mistakes. Once upon a time, it was a Sydney comp. Cronulla and Penrith were the last Sydney teams to come in back in '67.

Today, Australia's population is around 25 to 26 million. Back in '67, the population was roughly half of it. The players had day jobs, and there was no billion dollar tv deals. And I don't think any sport was in a position to go national.

A different world back then.

 

[MugaB]

I don't think Sydney made mistakes. Once upon a time, it was a Sydney comp. Cronulla and Penrith were the last Sydney teams to come in back in '67.

Today, Australia's population is around 25 to 26 million. Back in '67, the population was roughly half of it. The players had day jobs, and there was no billion dollar tv deals. And I don't think any sport was in a position to go national.

A different world back then.

Sydney is also the heartland of this competition, if it ever shrinks like cullings or mergers again we just end up hurting our own branding, expansion is the only way to secure more content and sell the game at a higher rate, more content more cities,/regions and more players

 

[mongoose]

I don't think Sydney made mistakes. Once upon a time, it was a Sydney comp. Cronulla and Penrith were the last Sydney teams to come in back in '67.

Today, Australia's population is around 25 to 26 million. Back in '67, the population was roughly half of it. The players had day jobs, and there was no billion dollar tv deals. And I don't think any sport was in a position to go national.

A different world back then.

yeah this is true, it was a suburban comp to begin with and expanded logically within the Sydney boundaries in the mid 20th century. You could argue they had the perfect opportunity to rationalize Sydney down to a 5-6 team city during SL.. but we ended up with 9.

 

[Wb1234]

yeah this is true, it was a suburban comp to begin with and expanded logically within the Sydney boundaries in the mid 20th century. You could argue they had the perfect opportunity to rationalize Sydney down to a 5-6 team city during SL.. but we ended up with 9.

That’s why the super league comp with 3 Sydney sides was such a success

you literally had Perth Adelaide brisbane Canberra Newcastle Nth qld and Auckland

a national comp which should’ve taken over Australia and China

 

[T-Boon]

Newcastle No2 stadium is hosting a Newcastle comp magic round next year, which is good. It is an excellent "second tier" venue and idiotically does not have a RL team playing there.

 

[The Great Dane]

I don't think Sydney made mistakes. Once upon a time, it was a Sydney comp. Cronulla and Penrith were the last Sydney teams to come in back in '67.

Today, Australia's population is around 25 to 26 million. Back in '67, the population was roughly half of it. The players had day jobs, and there was no billion dollar tv deals. And I don't think any sport was in a position to go national.

A different world back then.

Even back then they made massive mistakes (Cronulla were literally only allowed into the comp to cripple your club as a single example), but we're not talking about back then, we're talking about now, and the number of clubs in Sydney and their geographical spread has never made any sense for what is ostensibly a national competition, let alone anything other than a suburban Sydney comp.

No amount of mental gymnastics and obfuscation can get around that.

As an aside; pretty much everybody who was anybody accepted the above until very, very, recently.

Certainly since at least the late 70s, arguably even earlier, almost every major administrator and club mogul agreed that there were too many clubs in Sydney, that the geographical spread of those clubs made no sense, and that club's football businesses should be able to stand on their own two feet independent of any other influences for the betterment of the sport and their own long term viability (a goal the sport still isn't anywhere near achieving BTW). They just could never agree anything except that it shouldn't be their club that's rationalised LOL.

It's only really in the era of billion dollar TV contracts that that sentiment has gone away, and that is only because the gravy train is flowing thick and fast so there's enough money to go around to underwrite everybody no matter how unsustainable or poorly run for the time being. Who knows how long those circumstances can last though, it's only just over a decade ago that RU had the same attitude for example.

 

[siv]

Interesting that in the mid 1980s all grounds needed to have a minimum capacity of 20,000

Maybe the NRL should remind clubs of this obligation

 

[Steel Saints]

Even back then they made massive mistakes (Cronulla were literally only allowed into the comp to cripple your club as a single example), but we're not talking about back then, we're talking about now, and the number of clubs in Sydney and their geographical spread has never made any sense for what is ostensibly a national competition, let alone anything other than a suburban Sydney comp.

No amount of mental gymnastics and obfuscation can get around that.

As an aside; pretty much everybody who was anybody accepted the above until very, very, recently.

Certainly since at least the late 70s, arguably even earlier, almost every major administrator and club mogul agreed that there were too many clubs in Sydney, that the geographical spread of those clubs made no sense, and that club's football businesses should be able to stand on their own two feet independent of any other influences for the betterment of the sport and their own long term viability (a goal the sport still isn't anywhere near achieving BTW). They just could never agree anything except that it shouldn't be their club that's rationalised LOL.

It's only really in the era of billion dollar TV contracts that that sentiment has gone away, and that is only because the gravy train is flowing thick and fast so there's enough money to go around to underwrite everybody no matter how unsustainable or poorly run for the time being. Who knows how long those circumstances can last though, it's only just over a decade ago that RU had the same attitude for example.

You can have an argument around clubs that should not have been admitted in the past like Cronulla, because St.George Dragons were already there. I could also have an argument around the 1988 expansion with the Broncos, Gold Coast and Newcastle. In hindsight, bringing in the Gold Coast was premature.

This was a Sydney comp from 1908 to 1981, until it expanded to non Sydney areas like Canberra and the Illawarra. It expanded because the code was naturally evolving. And the same thing happened in '88, and in '95 with Auckland, Western Reds, Nth Qld and Sth Qld admitted into the comp.

No doubt when it was a 20 team comp, there was clear "have" and "have nots". With the introduction of teams like the Broncos, it did make some Sydney teams look smaller overnight.

I think through the passage of time, there would've been natural attrition with tough decisions to be made on certain Sydney clubs.

However the worst thing that happened to the game was the Super League war. Poor decisions were made in a rush, simply because News Ltd wanted to help kick start a pay tv empire.

Poor decisions such as getting rid of the Reds, Crushers, and the three mergers that didn't make any sense at all. Even two of those mergers are finding it challenging to this day.

The NSWRL became a mainstay in the consciousness of Australian sport because it happened organically naturally. In the mid nineties, some men in suits decided to manufacture something in quick time, yet if they were patient, some of those Sydney clubs would've met their demise, just like Newtown, or tweak their identity in the form of mergers or relocations.

However, greed and power took over. And as a result, in the compromise, the game was part owned by a media company, where essentially, the code had one hand tied behind its back for 15 years, until it finally became independent in 2012.

 

[Iamback]

I don't think Sydney made mistakes. Once upon a time, it was a Sydney comp. Cronulla and Penrith were the last Sydney teams to come in back in '67.

Today, Australia's population is around 25 to 26 million. Back in '67, the population was roughly half of it. The players had day jobs, and there was no billion dollar tv deals. And I don't think any sport was in a position to go national.

A different world back then.

Ideally the comp would of been started from scratch. It wasn't the case and grew from the Sydney comp.

Like AFL growing from the VFL the down side is a higher number from the cities

 

[Wb1234]

Ideally the comp would of been started from scratch. It wasn't the case and grew from the Sydney comp.

Like AFL growing from the VFL the down side is a higher number from the cities

In 1988 should’ve merged brl and arl brought in four brl clubs

when Newcastle came in it should’ve been wests newcastle

trying to preserve the qrl and crl led to worse outcomes

 

[T-Boon]

In 1988 should’ve merged brl and arl brought in four brl clubs

when Newcastle came in it should’ve been wests newcastle

trying to preserve the qrl and crl led to worse outcomes

what makes you say that? Seems weird.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Ideally the comp would of been started from scratch. It wasn't the case and grew from the Sydney comp.

Like AFL growing from the VFL the down side is a higher number from the cities

Some clubs staying in tact while others were floated to merge, relocate or die quite rightly divided fans. Missed opportunity, sadly

 

[Wb1234]

what makes you say that? Seems weird.

Knights never had money

you know Newcastle wests own them now ?

 

[Iamback]

Some clubs staying in tact while others were floated to merge, relocate or die quite rightly divided fans. Missed opportunity, sadly

I think clubs have done well expanding their borders BUT yes a few clubs make no sense where they sit

 

[T-Boon]

Knights never had money

you know Newcastle wests own them now ?

Yeah okay so you mean Newy Knights but owned by Wests group of scum.
I do think that is a good idea. Get the ownership right from the start.

 

[T-Boon]

Knights never had money

you know Newcastle wests own them now ?

Are you from Newy? You see they are having a Real NRL magic round at No 2. I am keen to see that. I would love RL to take over No2.

 

[Iamback]

Interesting that in the mid 1980s all grounds needed to have a minimum capacity of 20,000

Maybe the NRL should remind clubs of this obligation

That rules out country games.

The Coffs and Sharks partnership is great for the game part time.

Bathurst too.

It all grows the game

 

[siv]

That rules out country games.

The Coffs and Sharks partnership is great for the game part time.

Bathurst too.

It all grows the game

I think it also rules our Penrith, Brookvale, Leichhardt, Kogarah and Belmore too