The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[AlwaysGreen]

which sounds great in theory. But in reality very few cities in the world have a ready made athletics stadium of 60-80k capacity. Most need to build new or adapt an existing large stadium.
Brisbane knew it didnt have a stadium suitable to host the main event. It was always going to need either a new stadium or substantial money spending making one fit for purpose.
Ironically, due to AFL, Australia is the only country in the world where you can justify building a large oval stadium for the Olympics as at least it will get used afterwards without major works needed. No other country has oval sports needing that level of stadia so they will always be either left with a white elephant or a substantial bill to turn it into a rectangular stadium for AF or soccer.

No one gives a f**k about afl. Try big footy or whatever its called.

 

[bazza]

Suncorp with 70k In it for dolphins vs broncos is going to be amazing

a bigger suncorp would probably get a few extra visitors to Brisbane for SOO, Magic Round and maybe even the NRL grand final
Probably more than extra seats at the Gabba would

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

a bigger suncorp would probably get a few extra visitors to Brisbane for SOO, Magic Round and maybe even the NRL grand final
Probably more than extra seats at the Gabba would

That would be awesome as it could force the NSW government to finally fix Accor if they ever want to get the GF back

 

[reanimate]

which sounds great in theory. But in reality very few cities in the world have a ready made athletics stadium of 60-80k capacity. Most need to build new or adapt an existing large stadium.
Brisbane knew it didnt have a stadium suitable to host the main event. It was always going to need either a new stadium or substantial money spending making one fit for purpose.
Ironically, due to AFL, Australia is the only country in the world where you can justify building a large oval stadium for the Olympics as at least it will get used afterwards without major works needed. No other country has oval sports needing that level of stadia so they will always be either left with a white elephant or a substantial bill to turn it into a rectangular stadium for AF or soccer.

And going forward, the new norm is to be that host cities don’t necessarily need to have a gleaming, large athletics stadium.

“Quotes attributable to IOC Vice President John Coates:

“Athletics Australia will be very pleased that with a QSAC upgrade, Queensland and Australian athletics will be left with a legacy venue for the development of the sport in Queensland.

“Sydney 2000 left a competition and warm-up track legacy for athletics, a legacy missing from the London, Rio, and Tokyo Games.

“The IOC will make available its Games construction experts to advise in respect of the potential upgrades to QSAC, including specifically whether the full $1 billion of suggested upgrades are needed.””

The IOC aren’t saying no to an upgraded QSAC and they weren’t in favour of a new stadium as it doesn’t align with their new norms.

 

[Wb1234]

a bigger suncorp would probably get a few extra visitors to Brisbane for SOO, Magic Round and maybe even the NRL grand final
Probably more than extra seats at the Gabba would

Suncorp is getting sold out fairly regularly for league events

gabba doesn’t

John Coates doesn’t want brisbane to have a white elephant like the Sydney Olympics did

 

[Wb1234]

And going forward, the new norm is to be that host cities don’t necessarily need to have a gleaming, large athletics stadium.

“Quotes attributable to IOC Vice President John Coates:

“Athletics Australia will be very pleased that with a QSAC upgrade, Queensland and Australian athletics will be left with a legacy venue for the development of the sport in Queensland.

“Sydney 2000 left a competition and warm-up track legacy for athletics, a legacy missing from the London, Rio, and Tokyo Games.

“The IOC will make available its Games construction experts to advise in respect of the potential upgrades to QSAC, including specifically whether the full $1 billion of suggested upgrades are needed.””

The IOC aren’t saying no to an upgraded QSAC and they weren’t in favour of a new stadium as it doesn’t align with their new norms.

So John Coates and athletics Australia are happy with the proposal but a few on here aren’t lol

 

[Perth Red]

why do they even need 80k athletics stadiums anymore
Most of the money would come from TV so having 40 - 60k would be enough and converting a stadium to a rectangular ground afterwards works. Look at Manchester City with a new stadium after the 2002
In London they had the crazy idea that the main stadium would host 50k athletics post the games - but ended up being a football stadium - and now is going to be made rectangular

If Brisbane ends up with a brand new athletics tracks and improved facilities for 25k people with also a good quality warm up track - that would be great for that sport
Similarly the other big sport in Brisbane is RL which would make good use of an improved Suncorp

Biggest sports event in the world, allowing as many people to experience it live as possible is a good thing. especially for the host city when most of them are overseas tourists.

But yes 60k is a good compromise size with the ability to add lower tiers after the event to make it rectangular. That is what both thew France and Italy stadium look like they are able to do. I guess in Brisabnes case it would have been ideal if you could knock down Suncorp and build a 60-65k new stadium on the site whch could then convert to prper rectanguler, but cost would have been ridiculous, so Gabba was the next best option where at least it would have got regular usage, even more so if Brisabne2 AFL club ever happens. But hey ho we'll end up with a sub standard Olympic stadium that schoolkids get to run around afterwards. Seems a good use of $1.6billion! At least Brisabne will get the honour of having the most expensive 14k amateur athletics stadium in the world!

Its gone from
$1bill to partly rebuilding the Gabba 50k to
$2.7bill to rebuild the Gabba 60k to
$3.4bill to build a new stadium 55k to
$1.6bill to stick some lipstick on a pig at QASC 40k

Whats next I wonder?

 

[Steel Saints]

not really, make it 60k and Lions will over half fill it. Not sure Roosters and other tenants are ever likely to fill Allianz but half full it still looks ok.

The demand and content isn't there for a 60k oval stadium in Brisbane. Maybe build a new 55k or 60k stadium for the Olympics, but once the event is over, reduce it to 35k or 40k. It could have 20k temporary seating. Copy and paste what Stadium Australia did post 2000. It went from 110k to 83k.

But once again, the demand and content isn't there for a 60k oval stadium in Brisbane.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Next 3 Olympics. Spot the difference!

France 77k
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Italy 70k
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Brisbane 50k - maybe
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Why does it need 70-80k? They’ll never recoup the extra spend with ticket sales.

and it’s not going to look anything like the bottom picture so stop being a disingenuous dick.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The demand and content isn't there for a 60k oval stadium in Brisbane. Maybe build a new 55k or 60k stadium for the Olympics, but once the event is over, reduce it to 35k or 40k. It could have 20k temporary seating. Copy and paste what Stadium Australia did post 2000. It went from 110k to 83k.

But once again, the demand and content isn't there for a 60k oval stadium in Brisbane.

That’s basically what they’re doing, 50k athletics stadium which will reduce to 15K as a permanent facility. Actually sustainable and suitable for the city’s ongoing needs.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Athletics is a major sport in Europe. In Australia its enjoyed but that's about it.

Paris and Rome will probably host a world Athletics championship down the line, Brisbane and Australia in general will never host it so there is no readon to have a huge legacy stadium for Athletics.

As previously stated, cricket doesn't need an 80 - 60k stadium in Brisbane. The major world cup games will always be played at the MCG and SCG (note the C stands for Cricket not cultball).

Fumbleball and AFL Red will just have to live with being a third tier sport in the eastern states.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Next 3 Olympics. Spot the difference!

France 77k
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Italy 70k
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Brisbane 50k - maybe
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What a dumb post. Brisbane hasn't even released official renders yet, so your comparison is trash.

Also. Why are you using Stadio Oympico here? Italy is hosting the 2026 winter Olympics, and San Siro is being used for the Opening Ceremony. You should be using LA Memorial Stadium as a comparison, but you got a bit messy in your desperation to shittalk.

 

[Perth Red]

And going forward, the new norm is to be that host cities don’t necessarily need to have a gleaming, large athletics stadium.

“Quotes attributable to IOC Vice President John Coates:

“Athletics Australia will be very pleased that with a QSAC upgrade, Queensland and Australian athletics will be left with a legacy venue for the development of the sport in Queensland.

“Sydney 2000 left a competition and warm-up track legacy for athletics, a legacy missing from the London, Rio, and Tokyo Games.

“The IOC will make available its Games construction experts to advise in respect of the potential upgrades to QSAC, including specifically whether the full $1 billion of suggested upgrades are needed.””

The IOC aren’t saying no to an upgraded QSAC and they weren’t in favour of a new stadium as it doesn’t align with their new norms.

Id say the IoC is stuck between a rock and hard place. Brisbane is an experiment for them. The rising costs of hosting the games is a real issue for its future viability but at the same time its the biggest sports event on the planet and I doubt holding it in substandard venues is going to be a great outcome long term. With sports tourism becoming an ever growing large revenue market there is fine balance to be found.

Personally Id rather see the IoC cut back on number of events and sports there by needing less venues and accommodation if it wants to save costs than locking people out of attending, or the experience of attending in modern facilities.

I was planning to go to the Brisbane games but now Im a bit ho hum until I see what the main venue is like (and if I can even get tickets with such a limited capacity)

 

[Marlins]

New 60-70k Suncorp = Win for RL
No new afl ground = Win for RL
The only people on here against this are obviously afl trolls.
Cry me a river flowing with afl tears from the swan to the yarra

 

[Perth Red]

What a dumb post. Brisbane hasn't even released official renders yet, so your comparison is trash.

Also. Why are you using Stadio Oympico here? Italy is hosting the 2026 winter Olympics, and San Siro is being used for the Opening Ceremony. You should be using LA Memorial Stadium as a comparison, but you got a bit messy in your desperation to shittalk.

my bad, change out Italy for LA 77k

 

[bazza]

Athletics is a major sport in Europe. In Australia its enjoyed but that's about it.

A good quality athletics facility will get a lot of usage and get decent crowds as a lot of events have a lot more athletes than a football game. But a 15k stand with some open air seating should be suitable

 

[bazza]

my bad, change out Italy for LA 77k

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used for school sports teams now

 

[Perth Red]

A good quality athletics facility will get a lot of usage and get decent crowds as a lot of events have a lot more athletes than a football game. But a 15k stand with some open air seating should be suitable

for $1.6billion? Thats some amateur athletics park lol

 

[Perth Red]

used for school sports teams now

Ironically lost its major tenant as city wouldn't upgrade it.

 

[reanimate]

Id say the IoC is stuck between a rock and hard place. Brisbane is an experiment for them. The rising costs of hosting the games is a real issue for its future viability but at the same time its the biggest sports event on the planet and I doubt holding it in substandard venues is going to be a great outcome long term. With sports tourism becoming an ever growing large revenue market there is fine balance to be found.

Personally Id rather see the IoC cut back on number of events and sports there by needing less venues and accommodation if it wants to save costs than locking people out of attending, or the experience of attending in modern facilities.

I was planning to go to the Brisbane games but now Im a bit ho hum until I see what the main venue is like (and if I can even get tickets with such a limited capacity)

for $1.6billion? Thats some amateur athletics park lol

“The IOC will make available its Games construction experts to advise in respect of the potential upgrades to QSAC, including specifically whether the full $1 billion of suggested upgrades are needed.””

Brisbane is suggesting setting aside $1.6 billion, the IOC are indicating that whole amount may not even be necessary!

The IOC’s new model is supposed to reduce risk and impact for the host. Reducing costs and risk will in turn make it more viable for more hosts to bid and host the games in the future, protecting the Olympics as an event going forward into the future.

What they don’t want is a Melbourne + Commonwealth Games type scenario to happen to them, that’s why they’ve embraced this new model and are encouraging Brisbane to reuse and adapt existing facilities for use as Olympic venues.