The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[jim_57]

For the $3.4b it will cost, let’s round up to $4b after inevitable blowouts, Brisbane should be able to expect more than one 60k stadium. I know construction costs have skyrocketed but surely there is a fair bit of “Olympic markup” on that figure.

 

[Wb1234]

For the $3.4b it will cost, let’s round up to $4b after inevitable blowouts, Brisbane should be able to expect more than one 60k stadium. I know construction costs have skyrocketed but surely there is a fair bit of “Olympic markup” on that figure.

Supporting infrastructure

Optus was 3.5 billion wasn’t it and a lot of that was in. Sounds like a cut and paste of Optus

 

[Perth Red]

Arsenal Wembley Tottenham and west ham all had significant govt money invested in them

Privately owned old / new Trafford will require significant govt investment too

Probably more too just lazy to check

Ermm, just no!

Arsenal stadium received no public funding

Wembley actual taxpayer money was a small part, around 41million pound of a 789million pound build

Tottenham cost 1billion pounds and only received 32mill in Govt funding.

West Ham was different as it was built for Olympics and then became their home ground.

Vast majority of funding for English football stadiums comes from private investment, loans and clubs funding, not taxpayers.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

For the $3.4b it will cost, let’s round up to $4b after inevitable blowouts, Brisbane should be able to expect more than one 60k stadium. I know construction costs have skyrocketed but surely there is a fair bit of “Olympic markup” on that figure.

It depends how it’s been estimated, what project team government have working on it, indicative pricing from both Consultants and principal contractors, union, plus sure there will be a markup but there will also be contingency Built into that figure.

There’s quite a few moving pieces.

 

[jim_57]

Supporting infrastructure

Optus was 3.5 billion wasn’t it and a lot of that was in. Sounds like a cut and paste of Optus

As far as I know the estimates were stadium only, not inclusive of any other infrastructure that goes with it.

 

[i0Nic]

They should move the Olympics to Perth and host it at Optus.

the model of the Olympics is changing, LA athletics will be held at an old stadium not their crown jewel in Sofi - which is where the ceremonies take place. because they’re not stupid to create a multi billion dollar oval.

why can’t this model be replicated in Brisbane? Upgrade Gabba, and make Suncorp a crown jewel where the ceremonies are held.

it’s because of the afl mafia influencing government decisions.

so instead Brisbane will get an expensive AF oval which will rarely be filled while rugby league, rugby and soccer misses out.

I can’t see a reality where Suncorp gets any substantial upgrades over the next decade while this new oval gets up. Which is absolutely crap.

 

[Perth Red]

Supporting infrastructure

Optus was 3.5 billion wasn’t it and a lot of that was in. Sounds like a cut and paste of Optus

Optus was $1.8bill inc the surrounding development and transport links. That was 8 years ago.

 

[Perth Red]

They should move the Olympics to Perth and host it at Optus.

the model of the Olympics is changing, LA athletics will be held at an old stadium not their crown jewel in Sofi - which is where the ceremonies take place. because they’re not stupid to create a multi billion dollar oval.

why can’t this model be replicated in Brisbane? Upgrade Gabba, and make Suncorp a crown jewel where the ceremonies are held.

it’s because of the afl mafia influencing government decisions.

so instead Brisbane will get an expensive AF oval which will rarely be filled while rugby league, rugby and soccer misses out.

I can’t see a reality where Suncorp gets any substantial upgrades over the next decade while this new oval gets up. Which is absolutely crap.

Big difference though, The LA athletics stadium has the size already and will have a capacity of 77.5k for the games. To get the Gabba up to 60k min that an Olympic stadium should be would not be cheap as has been shown.

 

[i0Nic]

LA mirrors many priorities to Brisbane: no need for a massive athletics oval, rectangular sport is the most popular, swimming is a big event for US like it is in AU. So they prioritised accordingly:

LA2028

athletics venue:


opening ceremonies and swimming;

 

[i0Nic]

Big difference though, The LA athletics stadium has the size already and will have a capacity of 77.5k for the games. To get the Gabba up to 60k min that an Olympic stadium should be would not be cheap as has been shown.

Are you telling me Gabba can’t be upgraded from 38k or whatever it is to about 55k? doesn’t need to be 70k.

 

[jim_57]

It depends how it’s been estimated, what project team government have working on it, indicative pricing from both Consultants and principal contractors, union, plus sure there will be a markup but there will also be contingency Built into that figure.

There’s quite a few moving pieces.

Either way it’s probably going to be prohibitive to other stadium works in the future and probably other proposals within the Olympics plan.

Anyway probably not much can be done now, NRL will just have to learn to lobby for stadiums like the AFL do to get Suncorp done once the Olympics are finished.

 

[i0Nic]

LA will reveal to Brisbane what they should’ve done.

instead Brisbane will be in the same boat as Sydney after the 2000 games for the next 20 years: A modern oval with a large capacity which will eventually force moving RL games here with shit viewing angles, because Suncorp will become old and crap.

 

[i0Nic]

Imagine having a Sofi like stadium in Brisbane and a more conservatively upgraded Gabba.

that would perfectly service the needs of the state of QLD for the next 30 years.

 

[Perth Red]

Are you telling me Gabba can’t be upgraded from 38k or whatever it is to about 55k? doesn’t need to be 70k.

Like I said its the Olympics, it should be a min 60k stadium.
Can Gabba be upgraded to that? Yes.
Would it cost a fortune and cause all sorts of issues in the process? Yes.
Would it save much money doing that? Appears not
That's why they seemingly have moved on from doing it and are now looking at a new build instead.

There hasnt been a sub 60k capacity Olympic stadium in nearly 100 years!

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Are you telling me Gabba can’t be upgraded from 38k or whatever it is to about 55k? doesn’t need to be 70k.

No, it can’t. It requires a complete demolition and rebuild. There is also a greater number of challenges involved with any subsequent rebuild of the Gabba due to its location.

 

[i0Nic]

Like I said its the Olympics, it should be a min 60k stadium.
Can Gabba be upgraded to that? Yes.
Would it cost a fortune and cause all sorts of issues in the process? Yes.
Would it save much money doing that? Appears not
That's why they seemingly have moved on from doing it and are now looking at a new build instead.

There hasnt been a sub 60k capacity Olympic stadium in nearly 100 years!

Who said it should be minimum 60k? Can you point to the Olympics requirements on this?

 

[Perth Red]

Who said it should be minimum 60k? Can you point to the Olympics requirements on this?

History. 1928 since the last sub 60k Olympic stadium.

 

[i0Nic]

History. 1928 since the last sub 60k Olympic stadium.

Have you read the Olympic Games own charter on the ‘new norm’ to significant reduce the costs and impracticalities of the games that’s just coming into effect with Paris and LA? https://www.olympics.com/ioc/new-norm

‘History’ of the games has caused them to become undesirable to host because of the ridiculous costs such as building multi billion dollar ovals most cities don’t need.

 

[i0Nic]

No, it can’t. It requires a complete demolition and rebuild. There is also a greater number of challenges involved with any subsequent rebuild of the Gabba due to its location.

Sounds like a quote from the afl playbook that they must have a new stadium.

I’m sure the Gabba can have about 500m-1B of upgrade work to bring it up to a relatively modern 50-60k stadium.

 

[Perth Red]

Have you read the Olympic Games own charter on the ‘new norm’ to significant reduce the costs and impracticalities of the games that’s just coming into effect with Paris and LA? https://www.olympics.com/ioc/new-norm

‘History’ of the games has caused them to become undesirable to host because of the ridiculous costs such as building multi billion dollar ovals most cities don’t need.

Bit of a myth though isnt it? LA is using existing facilities but its Olympic budget is $6.9bill US ($11bill Australian). About the same as Brisbane has budgeted.