The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[i0Nic]

There’s this subjective view here that I’m totally against. The view that Brisbane / Australia must have a brilliant fancy oval to showcase the city during the athletics.

there are other ways to showcase the city. We have Paris to use as an example of this.

Everyone was talking about how amazing Paris Olympics looked. Nobody is referring to Stade de France in reference to this. They’re referring to the creative ways the city showcased itself at the beach volleyball, equestrian etc.

the old school boomer view is dead - that the athletics stadium is the primary venue to showcase the city.

this is why I don’t believe we need to spend on a 4B oval which we all know is a massive waste.

Any decision on this would be categorically wrong in my eyes.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

sofi swimming is gonna be so neat

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Alright, let's spend the money on upgrading Suncorp, we can hold the track and field events at Ipswich Primary School's oval.

When the gabba is deemed unsafe in the next few years we'll play test cricket at the beach.

 

[i0Nic]

lol you've just said LA isnt spending much on stadiums as its not needed. In reality for the role Suncorp is going to play in the Olympics it doesnt need any upgrades either.
To justify spend out of the Olympic budget Suncorp would need to play a much bigger role.

I’m not saying Suncorp must be upgraded. I’m saying don’t spend the money on an oval, BUT if you are thinking of blowing that kind of money on a stadium spend it on Suncorp instead - you know the venue that actually gets sold out frequently.

 

[Wb1234]

Whether the plebians care or not many hundreds of millions around the world will tune in to watch the games. It's literally the best marketing opportunity any location will ever get.

Millions of people around the world are going to change their travel plans and visit Brisbane because they are spending 4 billion on an oval stadium for part of the Olympics

 

[i0Nic]

It's still going to cost billions, it's not a just a quick trip to bunnings for a couple of tarps and a few camping chairs.

If you're going to pay billions pay billions for a stadium that will give you decades of use. This isn’t about flogball v rugby league although people will try their best to make it so.

Even if that costs 2B, it’s still half the cost than a brand new 60k oval in Victoria park would cost.

and if you’re determined to be spend 4B on large stadiums, the other 2 could go to Suncorp.

 

[Perth Red]

Millions of people around the world are going to change their travel plans and visit Brisbane because they are spending 4 billion on an oval stadium for part of the Olympics

If 20,000 thousand+ people are put off attending because they are no chance of getting tickets at the athletics because the stadium capacity is sht, then yeh it hurts the ROI for Qlnd

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Brisbane may well be the last Olympics held in one city. You're better off holding it across a whole country's resources.

That said, California is basically a whole country if you look at it's economy so they are able to do it with the infrastructure they already have in place.

 

[i0Nic]

If the qld govt blows its load on the new oval in vic park, there will be no Suncorp upgrades for 25 years.

that is reality. are we ok with that?

what will happen post Olympics the nrl will move origin to the oval. It gives more impetus for a second Brisbane fumble team. It’s basically the worst outcome for RL and the best ever outcome for AFL for the next 30 years.

is that really what you lot that are supposed rugby league fans are actually supporting?

seriously what forum am I on?

are you guys living in reality, thinking that Suncorp will get some upgrades later even with a fancy vic park oval? It won’t happen!!

 

[Wb1234]

If 20,000 thousand+ people are put off attending because they are no chance of getting tickets at the athletics because the stadium capacity is sht, then yeh it hurts the ROI for Qlnd

Other Olympic stadiums have managed it without building huge white elephants

Long term the stadium should be 30k that’s all that’s needed

Would’ve thought they would’ve learnt after Sydney but they didn’t

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Even if that costs 2B, it’s still half the cost than a brand new 60k oval in Victoria park would cost.

and if you’re determined to be spend 4B on large stadiums, the other 2 could go to Suncorp.

So you spend 2B on a temporary stadium?

What happens when the gabba goes down the tube? Bye bye test cricket in Queensland. Melbourne and Sydney will gladly take your test and world cup cricket.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Other Olympic stadiums haven’t managed it without building huge white elephants

Long term the stadium should be 30k that’s all that’s needed

Would’ve thought they would’ve learnt after Sydney but they didn’t

Is that the same white elephant that hosts NRL grand finals, state of origin? And sells out for world cup soccer?

I think you might want to look up white elephant.

 

[Perth Red]

Even if that costs 2B, it’s still half the cost than a brand new 60k oval in Victoria park would cost.

and if you’re determined to be spend 4B on large stadiums, the other 2 could go to Suncorp.

But your logic is that theyd spend $2bill on a sub par Olympic athletics stadium that got little use afterwards (QSAC) and still face having to upgrade the GABBA to the tune of billions in the not distant future. This way at least one of the cities two major stadiums is sorted for the next 40-50 years.

Then they can look at Suncorp when it is needed and if the NRL incentivise it, like I said no one has yet said if it is even possible to do much to Suncorp as it is. Theres not much point spending a bill on Suncorp to get 5k extra seats if thats all its current configuration can achieve.

 

[Perth Red]

Other Olympic stadiums have managed it without building huge white elephants

Long term the stadium should be 30k that’s all that’s needed

Would’ve thought they would’ve learnt after Sydney but they didn’t

There hasnt been an Olympic stadium under 60k since 1928. So yeh I guess it seems it matters lol

 

[Wb1234]

There hasnt been an Olympic stadium under 60k since 1928. So yeh I guess it seems it matters lol

Could build something that can be downscaled cheaply

Most Olympic stadiums have had this occur to them though some not so cheaply eg Homebush and London

 

[Perth Red]

If the qld govt blows its load on the new oval in vic park, there will be no Suncorp upgrades for 25 years.

that is reality. are we ok with that?

what will happen post Olympics the nrl will move origin to the oval. It gives more impetus for a second Brisbane fumble team. It’s basically the worst outcome for RL and the best ever outcome for AFL for the next 30 years.

is that really what you lot that are supposed rugby league fans are actually supporting?

seriously what forum am I on?

are you guys living in reality, thinking that Suncorp will get some upgrades later even with a fancy vic park oval? It won’t happen!!

NRL seem ok with it, they seem to not have had anything to say.
Or maybe Suncorp just cant be improved much without a full rebuild?
Or maybe this particular funding is set aside for one purpose, to deliver the best Olympic games possible?

 

[i0Nic]

No the budget is for hosting the Olympic games. The NRL needed to lobby for Suncorp as a major venue for the games if it wanted Suncorp upgrades to come out of the Olympic budget. It isnt just a cash grab for any stadium upgrade.

Like I said if NRL had proposed Suncorp for swimming and ceremonies and offered GF's we may have seen a decent investment in the stadium. But I havent seen anything to suggest they have cared one way or the other. You seem to be venting your anger at this in the wrong places.

It’s not the NRLs job to give the qld a brain into how to spend their money.

any Tom dick or harry can tell you that suncorp is often sold out and has multiple tenants using it - a premium rectangle is needed in Brisbane more than a premium oval.

How would the public perception go once qld spends 4B on a new oval, with the likely cost and budget blow outs, to proposals to spend vast quantities of money on Suncorp anytime in the next decade following the Olympics? People will just say move origin and broncos games to the stadium we just spent 4B on.

theres nothing the nrl can do to change this.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s not the NRLs job to give the qld a brain into how to spend their money.

any Tom dick or harry can tell you that suncorp is often sold out and has multiple tenants using it - a premium rectangle is needed in Brisbane more than a premium oval.

How would the public perception go once qld spends 4B on a new oval, with the likely cost and budget blow outs, to proposals to spend vast quantities of money on Suncorp anytime in the next decade following the Olympics? People will just say move origin and broncos games to the stadium we just spent 4B on.

theres nothing the nrl can do to change this.

lol its like lobbying pollies has no effect at all!

I dont disagree but its not needed for the Olympics, And that is what this money is set aside for.
You keep confabulating the two issues.
1. Brisbane needs a world class Olympic venue
2. Brisbane needs a larger rectangular stadium

Those are two separate issues and the NRL has a very big role in convincing the Govt of the second one as they are the ones with most to gain.

Just found an article that says a roof on suncorp is impossible so you can take that off the table without a full rebuild. So then the only benefit to Suncorp could be a capacity increase. I wonder what is possible with current config? 5k? 10k?
Is a billion $ spend worth it for that few extra seats?

 

[i0Nic]

No the budget is for hosting the Olympic games. The NRL needed to lobby for Suncorp as a major venue for the games if it wanted Suncorp upgrades to come out of the Olympic budget. It isnt just a cash grab for any stadium upgrade.

Like I said if NRL had proposed Suncorp for swimming and ceremonies and offered GF's we may have seen a decent investment in the stadium. But I havent seen anything to suggest they have cared one way or the other. You seem to be venting your anger at this in the wrong places.

This is such a joke and shows such a lack of understanding.

If you’re getting a loan from the bank for a car and they max you out. Then next week you go to the bank and say now you need a loan for a boat, but don’t worry that’s a separate budget.

its all the same budget! It’s the taxpayer money.

 

[i0Nic]

lol its like lobbying pollies has no effect at all!

I dont disagree but its not needed for the Olympics, And that is what this money is set aside for.
You keep confabulating the two issues.
1. Brisbane needs a world class Olympic venue
2. Brisbane needs a larger rectangular stadium

Those are two separate issues and the NRL has a very big role in convincing the Govt of the second one as they are the ones with most to gain.

Just found an article that says a roof on suncorp is impossible so you can take that off the table without a full rebuild. So then the only benefit to Suncorp could be a caapcity increase. I wonder what is possible with current config of that?

No you are confabulating two different things
1: Brisbane needs a showpiece Olympic venue
2. That venue needs to be round for the athletics.

they are not linked. As I already said many times but you refuse to acknowledge look at Paris and LA for examples