The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[i0Nic]

Here’s my take:

rather than spending 4B on a new oval, spend 1B on upgrading Gabba, another 1B on upgrading Suncorp. I’ve just saved qld government 2B and now also given them 2 great new stadiums.

 

[Perth Red]

Here’s my take:

rather than spending 4B on a new oval, spend 1B on upgrading Gabba, another 1B on upgrading Suncorp. I’ve just saved qld government 2B and now also given them 2 great new stadiums.

You should have run for premier lol

Even a partial rebuild to 50k was costed at over $3billion

https://www.statedevelopment.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/85356/gabba-stadium-redevelopment-project-validation-report.pdf

 

[i0Nic]

Bit of a myth though isnt it? LA is using existing facilities but its Olympic budget is $6.9bill US ($11bill Australian). About the same as Brisbane has budgeted.

What myth? LA is spending most of that on transport infrastructure that will serve their city not fancy f**king ovals.

 

[i0Nic]

Guess what? LA is hardly building any new stadiums at all. And where they have no need for a venue they’re moving it to a different city.

it seems like we are taking a backwards old-style thinking approach with Brisbane. Not the progressive approach that LA is taking.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Can Gabba be upgraded to that? Yes.

Sounds like a quote from the afl playbook that they must have a new stadium.

I’m sure the Gabba can have about 500m-1B of upgrade work to bring it up to a relatively modern 50-60k stadium.

As stated three times now. It’ll require a complete demolition and rebuild. It would cost significantly more than a greenfield, new build

As it stands it cannot be upgraded beyond what it currently is. It wasn’t designed or built to have provisions for expansion.

 

[bazza]

LA will reveal to Brisbane what they should’ve done.

instead Brisbane will be in the same boat as Sydney after the 2000 games for the next 20 years: A modern oval with a large capacity which will eventually force moving RL games here with shit viewing angles, because Suncorp will become old and crap.

Think having a 50-60k oval post Olympics hosting AFL and cricket instead of the Gabba wouldn't be too bad for Brisbane - will be way more usage than Homebush
As you say though the only concern is that they don't invest in Suncorp any more as there is a newer stadium nearby

 

[Perth Red]

What myth? LA is spending most of that on transport infrastructure that will serve their city not fancy f**king ovals.

Yes because they already have suitable sized stadiums in place. Brisbane doesnt. If the Coliseum was 40k I can guarantee they wouldnt be using it as is lol.

 

[i0Nic]

As stated three times now. It’ll require a complete demolition and rebuild. It would cost significantly more than a greenfield, new build

As it stands it cannot be upgraded beyond what it currently is. It wasn’t designed or built to have provisions for expansion.

If that is categorically true and undisputed, then great upgrade QSAC then as planned instead. Add temporary seating. Spend 1B on it. Better than spending 4B on a fancy f**king oval and no upgrades to qlds premier stadium that gets used 100x more.

 

[Perth Red]

Think having a 50-60k oval post Olympics hosting AFL and cricket instead of the Gabba wouldn't be too bad for Brisbane - will be way more usage than Homebush
As you say though the only concern is that they don't invest in Suncorp any more as there is a newer stadium nearby

Potentially be the home of AFL's 20th team as well?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Maybe Brisbane can hold it at Allan Border field and just ask the international visitors to bring a chair and a sandwich.

If you're holding the Olympics you need an athletics stadium. If you don't have one you have to build one. They should have known the gabba wasn't up to a rebuild before they bid.

The dills crying about Suncorp not getting upgraded are just that, dills.

 

[i0Nic]

It’s simple. Does qld need a 4B oval beyond the Olympics? Which would have the outcome of no upgrades to other large venues like Suncorp.

if the answer is yes that is desirable, we need to spend that money for a 1 week run of athletics and f**k ourselves for the next 20 years - go ahead and do it.

if the answer is no, find another cheaper solution to the athletics problem.

Remembering it’s just the athletics we’re talking about. The opening ceremony can be held at a rectangular stadium

 

[Perth Red]

Suncorp needing an upgrade is a separate issue to building a suitable Olympic stadium that showcases Brisbane and Australia to the world.
The fact the NRL hasn't been lobbying for an upgrade as part of this opportunity and offering GF's in return is on our leadership. not the Olympic planning group.

Does anyone know if they can even upgrade Suncorp in its current design to 60-65k? If you are going to spend a billion you'd want to add at least 10k extra seats id have thought.

Looking at what LA is doing NRL should have gone hard for extra seats and a roof on Suncorp (if possible?) for ceremonies and swimming. That starts to justify the argument from an Olympic games lens.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

It’s simple. Does qld need a 4B oval beyond the Olympics? Which would have the outcome of no upgrades to other large venues like Suncorp.

if the answer is yes that is desirable, we need to spend that money for a 1 week run of athletics and f**k ourselves for the next 20 years - go ahead and do it.

if the answer is no, find another cheaper solution to the athletics problem.

Remembering it’s just the athletics we’re talking about. The opening ceremony can be held at a rectangular stadium

It's still going to cost billions, it's not a just a quick trip to bunnings for a couple of tarps and a few camping chairs.

If you're going to pay billions pay billions for a stadium that will give you decades of use. This isn’t about flogball v rugby league although people will try their best to make it so.

 

[i0Nic]

Suncorp needing an upgrade is a separate issue to building a suitable Olympic stadium that showcases Brisbane and Australia to the world.
The fact the NRL hasn't been lobbying for an upgrade as part of this opportunity and offering GF's in return is on our leadership. not the Olympic planning group.

Does anyone know if they can even upgrade Suncorp in its current design to 60-65k? If you are going to spend a billion you'd want to add at least 10k extra seats id have thought.

It’s not separate issue. It’s the same budget that it would be pulling from.

a new oval and Suncorp or a new rectangular stadium are inextricably linked issues and if anyone that doesn’t think that is f**king idiot.

 

[i0Nic]

Imagine you have a 100 dollars and 2 venues that need upgrading.

Essentially what is being proposed is blowing that full 100 bucks on the new oval.

that is the reality here. There’s no extra money that’s going to come for Suncorp.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s not separate issue. It’s the same budget that it would be pulling from.

a new oval and Suncorp or a new rectangular stadium are inextricably linked issues and if anyone that doesn’t think that is f**king idiot.

No the budget is for hosting the Olympic games. The NRL needed to lobby for Suncorp as a major venue for the games if it wanted Suncorp upgrades to come out of the Olympic budget. It isnt just a cash grab for any stadium upgrade.

Like I said if NRL had proposed Suncorp for swimming and ceremonies and offered GF's we may have seen a decent investment in the stadium. But I havent seen anything to suggest they have cared one way or the other. You seem to be venting your anger at this in the wrong places.

 

[mongoose]

Suncorp needing an upgrade is a separate issue to building a suitable Olympic stadium that showcases Brisbane and Australia to the world.
The fact the NRL hasn't been lobbying for an upgrade as part of this opportunity and offering GF's in return is on our leadership. not the Olympic planning group.

Does anyone know if they can even upgrade Suncorp in its current design to 60-65k? If you are going to spend a billion you'd want to add at least 10k extra seats id have thought.

Looking at what LA is doing NRL should have gone hard for extra seats and a roof on Suncorp (if possible?) for ceremonies and swimming. That starts to justify the argument from an Olympic games lens.

showcasing Brisbane to the world lol f**k me... even most Brisbane people couldn't care less about this

 

[Wb1234]

They should move the Olympics to Perth and host it at Optus.

the model of the Olympics is changing, LA athletics will be held at an old stadium not their crown jewel in Sofi - which is where the ceremonies take place. because they’re not stupid to create a multi billion dollar oval.

why can’t this model be replicated in Brisbane? Upgrade Gabba, and make Suncorp a crown jewel where the ceremonies are held.

it’s because of the afl mafia influencing government decisions.

so instead Brisbane will get an expensive AF oval which will rarely be filled while rugby league, rugby and soccer misses out.

I can’t see a reality where Suncorp gets any substantial upgrades over the next decade while this new oval gets up. Which is absolutely crap.

It was supposed to be done like that

At least if it was Suncorp getting rebuilt it would be filled regularly and bring tourism benefits

This new stadium will bring nothing

 

[Perth Red]

Imagine you have a 100 dollars and 2 venues that need upgrading.

Essentially what is being proposed is blowing that full 100 bucks on the new oval.

that is the reality here. There’s no extra money that’s going to come for Suncorp.

lol you've just said LA isnt spending much on stadiums as its not needed. In reality for the role Suncorp is going to play in the Olympics it doesnt need any upgrades either.
To justify spend out of the Olympic budget Suncorp would need to play a much bigger role.

 

[Perth Red]

showcasing Brisbane to the world lol f**k me... even most Brisbane people couldn't care less about this

Whether the plebians care or not many hundreds of millions around the world will tune in to watch the games. It's literally the best marketing opportunity any location will ever get.