The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[El Diablo]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...n/news-story/7bd103ac4fd92f8f9614e950f55daea6

Etihad Stadium precinct makeover near but deal needs AFL to spend on women

MATT JOHNSTON, Herald Sun
23 minutes ago

A NEW plan to breathe life into the Etihad Stadium precinct and improve footy fans’ experiences is a step closer.

But any deal between the AFL and the Andrews Government to boost the second biggest stadium in Melbourne through a cash injection of hundreds of millions of dollars is likely to require the league spending more on women’s facilities around the state.

Negotiations over a plan to boost Docklands, which would see new open-air bars and gardens, have progressed, senior sources say.

The government is also keen to expand and improve Southern Cross station, delivering more platforms and better connectivity to Docklands as part of the project.

But if the massive stadium fix is endorsed as part of the government’s May Budget, it will almost certainly kill off a proposal by Collingwood president Eddie McGuire for a $1 billion new ground opposite the MCG and the Melbourne Park tennis precinct.

The Herald Sun revealed in 2016 that AFL chiefs had presented a glossy 32-page document, Docklands Reimagined, to Premier Daniel Andrews and Sport Minister John Eren.

Under the AFL’s $300 million revamp plan for tired Etihad, the arena would open out to Harbour Esplanade and a sprawling waterfront entertainment zone.

A running track would wind its way around the ground, with grassed parkland, including a playground for children on the western side.

Open-air bars and restaurants would be built, along with a 1500-seat ballroom.

A revamped facade, giant rock climbing wall outside and even community yoga classes on the playing surface have also been mooted.

The government has since embarked on a wider review of all stadiums in Victoria.

It is understood the government has suggested that further funding for AFLW facilities must be locked in by the AFL before a deal is done.

Any move to change the Etihad Stadium precinct would look to boost tourism, as well as the night life and options for residents.

Channel 7 last night reported a better deal for tenant clubs, as well as new options for concerts and music events, would be pursued as part of the deal. Under the AFL’s $300 million revamp plan for tired Etihad, the arena would open out to Harbour Esplanade and a sprawling waterfront entertainment zone.

Open-air bars and restaurants would be built, along with a 1500-seat ballroom, which could host events such as the Brownlow Medal.

A running track would wind its way around the ground, with grassed parkland, including a playground for children on the western side.

A revamped facade, giant rock climbing wall outside and even community yoga classes on the playing surface have also been mooted.

The revamp will not add to the 54,000-seat capacity but the stands will be upgraded.

 

[Jatz Crackers]

I can see the glued on bandana slipping from his massive forehead & annoyingly in front of his his eyes, due to the sweat production on his head as he furiously types the latest opinion piece in utter outrage at this monumental waste of taxpayer funds.

 

[beave]

C’mon Hanky Head, where’s your fake rage now merkin?

 

[El Diablo]

C’mon Hanky Head, where’s your fake rage now merkin?

won't be any seeing he's a member of the ALP and does fundraising for them

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...-new-stadiums-for-sydney-20180226-p4z1ug.html

Government MP slams $2.5b spending on new stadiums for Sydney


A Liberal MP and former minister under Mike Baird has launched a scathing attack on his government’s decision to spend $2.5 billion on sporting stadiums, questioning how it could be justified when their performance in child protection has been a “disgrace”.

Matthew Mason-Cox, a former fair trading minister, said it was a damning indictment of the current system that “a couple of sporting stadia [can be prioritised] before the welfare of the most vulnerable children and families in our community”.

“It’s a no brainer as far as I’m concerned,” Mr Mason-Cox, an upper house MP, said.

“At this point in time we are still waiting to hear from the government about whether there is a business case for the stadia, we don't know whether that actually stacks up, all the evidence points to it being difficult to justify [and] the party room hasn't been informed as to where exactly things stand," he said.

Mr Mason-Cox said there was unrest within government MPs about the wisdom of the stadium decision, which would see the demolition and rebuild of both the ANZ stadium at Olympic Park and the Allianz Stadium at Moore Park.

He said the decision had not been taken to the party room.

"It was taken by Cabinet, which is unusual, and it was rammed through in relation to the government's view. Good policy requires good process and and we haven't had good process .... so far.

"The party room hasn't had time to reflect on this, we haven't seen a business case and I think the government needs to be more transparent in its decision-making."

Mr Mason-Cox's intervention marks the first public challenge by a government MP to the controversial stadium decision, reflecting growing unhappiness among some MP's about how the decision is going down in the community.

The Premier's office has referred questions to about Mr Mason-Cox's statements to the sports minister, Stuart Ayres, and the community services minister, Pru Goward.

Mr Mason- Cox’s broadside was prompted by a recent leak to the Herald of a previously unreleased draft report to state Cabinet outlining the sheer scale of unmet need in out of home care services for vulnerable children.

The report, delivered by former senior public servant David Tune in late 2016, said the number of children in out of home care [OOHC] had doubled in the previous 10 years, but that the current approach of Family and Community Services was “ineffective and unsustainable”.

Describing the current system as crisis driven, ad hoc, poorly evaluated and lacking any strategic vision, Mr Tune recommended setting up a new Family Investment Commission as an independent statutory authority, to oversee a system of personalised early intervention packages for vulnerable families.

Mr Mason-Cox says these previously secret recommendations are very close to findings of a Legislative Council committee on child protection which he was part of last year. The committee recommended an injection of new funding into early intervention services not run by the Department of Community Services [ FACS] but by a new, cross-sector body.

A spokeswoman for Ms Goward said: “In 2017-18 the FACS cluster will spend $7 billion supporting vulnerable children, young people and families and people with disability to live a better life. This is an increase of $459 million (7.1 per cent) on the 2016-17 revised budget.”

But Mr Mason-Cox said it was unacceptable that by the department’s own admission, only 30 per cent of children at risk of serious harm were being assessed face-to-face.

“Its completely extraordinary that the government would come to a point of thinking that is an acceptable outcome” he told Fairfax.

“I am disgusted that the government has not moved in the direction [ recommended by the Tune report and the upper house committee]. The Tune report has been in their hands now for the best part of two years.

"The government said they had responded already but it turns out they had not dealt with some of the key cultural and structural requirements that were suggested by the committee and which happened to be the essence of the Tune report.”

 

[beave]

Righto, so until Global hunger has been cured and world peace has been achieved, no stadiums for anyone..........

 

[beave]

Except for Melbourne.

All they gotta do is build a change room at Ballarat and Warnambool for AFLW/netballers and they’re good to go for $300mil......

 

[El Diablo]

Righto, so until Global hunger has been cured and world peace has been achieved, no stadiums for anyone..........

only in NSW

 

[Perth Red]

Etihad plan makes sense, the area is an under developed resource. Melbourne really only has South bank near CBD for entertainment precinct and this area could be a great secondary option.

re NSW it is obvious this is going to be the political football everyone kicks when they want to advocate for more funding to a deserving cause. No sympathy for them, they have made their bed by rebuilding Allianz into something not needed and spending more in the process than they needed to.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...l/news-story/9348e388e5897e5b4be012fb54cc23b7

Demolishing and rebuilding Allianz Stadium would generate more economic benefit, plans reveal

Anna Caldwell, Exclusive, The Daily Telegraph
February 27, 2018 9:25am

THE top-secret business case behind the redevelopment of Allianz Stadium reveals demolishing and rebuilding the arena delivers significantly more economic benefit than any other option.

The Daily Telegraph has obtained the executive summary of the KPMG business case dated January 2018, currently being prepared for the Berejiklian government.

The KMPG documents, labelled “sensitive — NSW cabinet” boost the state government’s case to demolish and rebuild the Moore Park stadium, finding that the alternative of a simple refurbishment would have “significant capital costs for marginal improvements” and deliver “significantly negative net economic outcomes”.

The analysis reveals a new stadium at Moore Park would deliver an extra 20 events on average per year, from 34-37 events to up to 59. This would include more than twice as many NRL games, the addition of international rugby league more regular US events and double the number of concerts.

It also predicts a new stadium would drive an attendance increase of about 15 per cent.

Based on these assumptions, the analysis finds in favour of knocking down the ailing stadium and rebuilding it to a 45,000-seat venue, finding this option delivers the best financial benefit and strongest cost benefit ratio.

The final business case has not yet been seen by Sports Minister Stuart Ayres. KPMG will deliver a final version to Infrastructure NSW, which will then hand it to the government within the next month.

The documents put the cost benefit ratio at “approximately break-even”, for demolishing and rebuilding the stadium, meaning for every dollar spent there will be a dollar in economic benefit for the state.

This analysis will provide a boost to the Berejiklian government, which has been under pressure of the scale of the spend planned for stadiums. The government has previously put the cost of its Allianz stadium redevelopment at $705 million.

The KPMG documents find that the current ageing Sydney Football Stadium “presents a strong case for change” with doubts it could remain open beyond the end of the year unless its occupancy certificate is extended.

“The stadium requires significant capital outlay to remain operational, only to deliver a substandard product that is affecting demand for sporting events,” the document states.

“There are also real and immediate safety concerns, equity concerns and significant operational inefficiencies.”

Assessing the decrepit state of the current stadium, the KPMG analysis notes that it would cost $141 million for a “first instalment” of “remedial works” just to keep the stadium open — which would only extend its life “by up to five years, say to 2021”.

It points to the safety problems and operating inefficiencies, including fire safety issues, security problems and noncompliance with the building code of Australia.

 

[Jankuloski]

“The analysis reveals a new stadium at Moore Park would deliver an extra 20 events on average per year, from 34-37 events to up to 59. This would include more than twice as many NRL games, the addition of international rugby league more regular US events and double the number of concerts.”

Would love to see how they figured that out.

 

[M2D2]

“The analysis reveals a new stadium at Moore Park would deliver an extra 20 events on average per year, from 34-37 events to up to 59. This would include more than twice as many NRL games, the addition of international rugby league more regular US events and double the number of concerts.”

Would love to see how they figured that out.

Lying. Just like the rest of associated to SFS.

 

[herbert henry1908]

 

[Coparugby]

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Nice and steep.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

“The analysis reveals a new stadium at Moore Park would deliver an extra 20 events on average per year, from 34-37 events to up to 59. This would include more than twice as many NRL games, the addition of international rugby league more regular US events and double the number of concerts.”

Would love to see how they figured that out.

I can see what your saying and I noticed this in the article straight away as well. I don’t have a problem if there using it to justify Allianz stadium rebuild independently to Anz. With a skewed figure that normal joe wouldnt understand it seems like the stadium spend isn’t that bad. What I do have a problem with is the fact that this information could become fact and reporters/media use it to justify the Anz stadium is overkill. Hopefully a Anz stadium analysis will be done in the next week to show the supreme benefits to a brand new Anz stadium again independatly to Allianz. It’s more important to make the gov know and get comittments to the Anz build where the Nrl stands in regard to where games will be played. The end game would be to get both built and if possible better yet a freehold stadium agreement for Anz. Naming rights alone are $5-10 mil a year.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

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It would be great if they could get it done early for the 9’s comp. it’s looks great.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It would be great if they could get it done early for the 9’s comp. it’s looks great.

The summer 9’s?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The summer 9’s?

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/15...western-sydney-stadium-with-nines-tournament/

 

[Vee]

Hanky Head's latest rant.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...an-election-but-not-both-20180228-p4z25c.html

The Liberals can build their stadiums or win an election, but not both

Ok, let’s go.

On Tuesday, the NSW Opposition Leader Luke Foley announced that if his mob are elected in a year’s time they will launch a Special Commission of Inquiry – with the powers of a Royal Commission – into how on earth the incumbent NSW Government came to the patently absurd decision to knock down and redo the Olympic and Sydney Football Stadiums at a cost of $2.5 Billion – giving a broad $1000 from every household in NSW, to the cause of helping elite money-making sporting businesses.

All this, when there has been no public demand to do anything of the kind; no business case presented; and a plethora of other state responsibilities crying out for exactly that kind of largesse, now denied.

There is a growing stench over the whole thing, and though the Premier and the Sports Minister seemingly remain committed, there are, I can tell you, more and more of the LNP Parliamentarians accepting the reality that your humble correspondent first presented two months ago in these pages: they can do this, or win the next election, but they cannot do both.

So great is the outcry – my petition against the move is now nudging towards 200,000 signatories – so pervasive the probity questions, Foley’s move to have a quasi-Royal Commission is a good one, and should be warmly applauded.

If it please Your Honours, or your Honourable Members, I have some questions I think you should get to the bottom of:

• Can the former Premier, Gladys Berejiklian, please provide the numbers to back up her extraordinary claims at the time over the amazing economic benefits of the stadiums? She first insisted – and her office gave a briefing sheet to parliamentarians to the same effect – that #StadiumSplurge will pay for itself within two years, meaning the new stadiums will have to be making an annual billion dollars EXTRA than they are making now. She then made the lesser, but still absurd claim, that the stadiums make a billion dollars a year right now. These are her stated reasons for spending that kind of public money! With ZERO back-up! (By way of comparison the Herald reported on Monday that when the boffins crunched the numbers on the $5 Billion spent on the new airport at Badgery’s Creek, the hope is it will pay for itself by about . . . 2050.) Someone here, is pulling numbers out of their hat like a 1960s pub chook raffle, and we need to know who!

• Why has the whole thing been done in such secrecy? There is, firstly, palpable resentment from the parliamentarians themselves that this has been driven by a handful of powerful figures in Cabinet, with no consultation with the back-benchers. But, ummm, what about us little folk who are actually paying for it? Can we be let in on it?

• When it comes to the ‘‘secret’’ KPMG business case released on Monday, which purports to show it will break even, can we find out how the numbers turned so favourable to the government so quickly? KPMG suddenly claims a 1.0 benefit/cost ratio. Really? Just two years ago, I am reliably informed, the figure was 0.6. Infrastructure NSW has been clear from the first it will not provide an economic benefit, and a Cabinet Minute on the day the decision was taken last November affirmed the same. Now, suddenly, just when the government needs it, three months later – a miracle! – those numbers were wrong, these numbers are better. Someone needs to have their arse smacked for bodgy numbers, and we will need the Special Commission to get to the bottom of it!

• KPMG – who last made headlines with the NSW Government when the NSW Court of Appeal struck down Kuringai Council’s forced merger with Hornsby Council, because the NSW Government ‘‘kept secret a KPMG report which it relied upon as justification for the merger’’ – also pushed the line that the SFS is in such disrepair it is easier to knock it down and start again, than refurbish it. Again, we need to understand how that situation can have changed so rapidly? Just two years ago, Premier Mike Baird, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres and the CEOS of all four football codes were signed on for refurbishment, smiling for the cameras as the press-releases went out. What the hell has happened in the last two years that it has become such a junk heap? And if it was the SCG Trust responsible for letting such a valuable piece of public infrastructure go to rack and ruin, rust and dust, why weren’t they all sacked?

• KPMG claims the economic benefits for the new SFS rest on it hosting an extra 20 events per year, including twice as many NRL games. Ummm, where do those NRL games come from? If we’re moving them from Leichhardt or Campbelltown or Redfern, don’t those places lose much the same economic benefit that the new SFS will claim?

• KPMG says it will drive up attendance by about 15 per cent. Great.
But given that the SCG Trust made – dot three, carry one, subtract two – $1.4 million profit last year, the increased attendance might take them to $1.7 million at best. Meantime, the Olympic Stadium contributed $2 million in State taxes, on the last available figures.
Gee there’s a long way to go to get the $2.5 billion back, yes?
You get the drift. The whole thing is absurd, and quietly acknowledged as such, even by Members of the NSW Cabinet, even if they haven’t yet broken ranks publicly. (Though one former Lib Minister and current Upper House Member, Matthew Mason-Cox, this week highlighted the outrage of spending this kind of money when Family and Community Services did not have the resources last year to follow up on the cases of 55,000 kids judged at risk.) The numbers don’t add up, and never will.

Which is why, ultimately, the argument most often put in favour of the stadiums is the general, vague, feel-good, ‘‘Don’t you get it, stadiums help the economy!’’ Bullshit they do. That argument is no more than a lame meme. It has been put forward by sports nutters, and demolished by serious economists, all over the world. Google John Oliver and Stadiums, and watch it. Play stadium bingo as you tick off the points he makes – drawing on the expertise of the serious economists – and apply them to this debate.

I repeat.

All. Over. The. World. Exactly the same arguments are put, for exactly the same result. The public always gets saddled with huge debt to build sporting cathedrals the bulk of them never wanted in the first place.

Stop this absurdity, Premier. You’ve always been an honest operator and this is a dishonest disaster in the making. Stop it.

And if you don’t, I respectfully submit, you will have a lot of explaining to do before the Special Commission of Inquiry.

 

[Jamberoo]

“The analysis reveals a new stadium at Moore Park would deliver an extra 20 events on average per year, from 34-37 events to up to 59. This would include more than twice as many NRL games, the addition of international rugby league more regular US events and double the number of concerts.”

Would love to see how they figured that out.

Double the concerts makes me laugh. Surely these would just be concerts that would be at other venues anyway. So good for SFS, no difference for Sydney. What events does Sydney currently miss that SFS will win? This is getting ridiculous. I have not been following this closely lately, but is there any talk of 65K @ SFS and selling off ANZ to developers. Surely that is an option?